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Taxpayers, hospice pay for Schiavo medical care
The Miami Herald ^ | PHIL LONG

Posted on 03/17/2005 7:33:14 AM PST by booksaver

TERRI SCHIAVO EXPENSES

Taxpayers, hospice pay for Schiavo medical care

Medicaid has been paying for Terri Schiavo's medications, and a hospice has provided free care.

BY PHIL LONG

plong@herald.com

Who's paying for Terri Schiavo's care?

Taxpayers -- and a St. Petersburg area hospice, which provides daily care for free.

Money that Schiavo's husband, Michael, received as part of a medical malpractice lawsuit in his wife's case in 1993 is almost gone, said Deborah Bushnell, one of Michael Schiavo's lawyers.

Of the $700,000 payment, only about $50,000 is left, Bushnell said. The rest went to pay for medical care for Schiavo, who has been in a persistent vegetative state for 15 years, and for legal fees in the battle over her fate, she said.

Medicaid, the state and federal program that pays medical costs for the poor and indigent, has been picking up the tab for Schiavo's medications for two years, Bushnell said, while the hospice provides care for free.

HOSPICE

Louise Cleary, spokeswoman for Woodside Hospice, the 72-bed center where Terri Schiavo has been in Pinellas Park, said she could not discuss Schiavo's case, but the average cost of care is about $80,000 a year.

''We are a not-for-profit hospice,'' Cleary said. Although most patients have private insurance or state or federal coverage for the medically indigent, some don't have coverage. ''We never turn a patient away who needs us. Never,'' Cleary said.

LEGAL COSTS

With the money in the fund nearly exhausted, Bushnell said neither she nor attorney George Felos have been paid in more than two years. Throughout the case, she said, she has been paid a total of $80,309 and Felos $358,434. A judge approves all legal costs, she said, adding that Michael Schiavo does not have control over the guardianship fund.

At the hospice, the bulk of Schiavo's expenses are in her daily care provided by the center. She does not require much medicine, Bushnell said. Schiavo is given occasional pain medication, Bushnell said.


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1 posted on 03/17/2005 7:33:15 AM PST by booksaver
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To: Ohioan from Florida

Terri Ping!


2 posted on 03/17/2005 7:34:35 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Never play leapfrog with a unicorn!)
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To: booksaver

So Michael Schiavo has spent at least $440,000 of Terry's therapy settlement on lawyers for the purpose of killing, not rehabilitating, her and the Miami Herald wants to portray her as a burden on society.
This story is a bunch of garbage. The Herald has been portraying Terry's case as a right-to-die case right along, despite the lack of a living will.


3 posted on 03/17/2005 7:38:47 AM PST by jjmcgo
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To: jjmcgo
This story doesn't portray Schiavo as "a burden on society" but as an example of vulnerable Americans who sometimes depend on Medicaid.
4 posted on 03/17/2005 7:42:56 AM PST by booksaver
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To: booksaver
She does not require much medicine....

Proof that she is not sick. Yet she is housed in a place for the dying. Why?

5 posted on 03/17/2005 7:47:16 AM PST by Carolinamom
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To: Carolinamom

She may not require "much medicine" but she does require feeding tubes, that's not something you can do at home. Or maybe it is. That's my guess.


6 posted on 03/17/2005 7:51:19 AM PST by booksaver
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To: All

7 posted on 03/17/2005 7:51:26 AM PST by Joanna Najfeld (Pray for Terri and fight for Terri!)
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To: booksaver

You can do feeding tubes at home, but they require care. During my father's final illness, we learned to manage them quite easily. It only takes a little training. I'm not sure what other kind of care Terri requires.


8 posted on 03/17/2005 7:59:14 AM PST by Roses0508
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To: Roses0508

So someone must be willing or able to provide this kind of loving care at home apparently.


9 posted on 03/17/2005 8:07:03 AM PST by booksaver
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To: booksaver

I am unable to access the full article let me guess is there No mention of the fact Mikey used a portion of the money to pay the death squad. No mention that her parents want her out of hospice and home. No mention that she has been illegaly incarcerated in hospice for the last several years. No mention that Mikey is supporting a new sweetie and two children. No mention of the house and the mercedes. No mention that medicaid fraud is more of a problem than legitimate use of medicaid funds.


10 posted on 03/17/2005 8:07:09 AM PST by lastchance
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick
Hail Terri...

Child of God...

We pray those judicial sinners...

Do not cause the hour of thy death...

Amen !!!

.

11 posted on 03/17/2005 8:08:05 AM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: booksaver

I am unable to access the full article let me guess is there No mention of the fact Mikey used a portion of the money to pay the death squad. No mention that her parents want her out of hospice and home. No mention that she has been illegaly incarcerated in hospice for the last several years. No mention that Mikey is supporting a new sweetie and two children. No mention of the house and the mercedes. No mention that medicaid fraud is more of a problem than legitimate use of medicaid funds.


12 posted on 03/17/2005 8:08:29 AM PST by lastchance
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To: Carolinamom
She does not require much medicine.... Proof that she is not sick. Yet she is housed in a place for the dying. Why?

Because her husband demanded she be placed there, rather than in a proper facility. His creepy shyster is a director of the hospice, I kid you not.

13 posted on 03/17/2005 8:16:10 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: lastchance
I think most people who are interested know about the fact that Terry's parents desperately want her to live. The details of her housing arrangements if she lives, I am not aware of. I assumed she would stay in the hospice where she can receive rehabilitation, something her parents have repeatedly requested.

The fact that he's currently living with another woman, I think is also well known. I, myself, have never heard about paid death squads.

As far as Medicaid fraud, the fact is that states themselves are the biggest perpetrators of Medicaid fraud using what Thomas Scully called in 2003, "Inappropriate Funding Mechanisms". See: http://www.cms.hhs.gov/media/press/testimony.asp?Counter=882

But I don't think fraud is pertinent to this article.
14 posted on 03/17/2005 8:19:28 AM PST by booksaver
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To: booksaver

My mother n law had a feeding tube at home. It is not a very big deal medically speaking.


15 posted on 03/17/2005 8:20:20 AM PST by Honestfreedom
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To: lastchance

Also, the full article is posted above.


16 posted on 03/17/2005 8:21:56 AM PST by booksaver
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To: booksaver

I thought her parents wanted to take her home.


17 posted on 03/17/2005 8:23:46 AM PST by LongViewSC
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Michael Schiavo and Scott Peterson are both serial philanderers
who desired to get rid of their wives.

18 posted on 03/17/2005 8:24:27 AM PST by syriacus (Serial philanderers, like Peterson and Schiavo, should NOT be allowed to kill the wives they betray.)
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To: LongViewSC

I don't really know. I'm searching for that information now.


19 posted on 03/17/2005 8:27:39 AM PST by booksaver
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To: booksaver
Felos [has been paid] $358,434.

High priced lawyers, defending serial philanderers who desired the deaths of their wives. Separated at birth?

20 posted on 03/17/2005 8:30:03 AM PST by syriacus (Serial philanderers, like Peterson and Schiavo, should NOT be allowed to kill the wives they betray.)
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To: LongViewSC
According to this article: http://cbs4boston.com/Healthwatch/health_story_059165059.html Schiavo's parents want to take her home to die if the feeding tubes are removed. Maybe it is their ultimate goal to take her home if she lives. But it is my understanding that her parents don't have a lot of money themselves (I could be wrong of course). To take care of her would probably still require some sort of public assistance.
21 posted on 03/17/2005 8:41:20 AM PST by booksaver
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To: booksaver
Let's put this into perspective. Phil Long would probably squall like a scalded cat if someone made the argument that spending untold gazillions of dollars "mainstreaming" children with severe disabilities into the educational system not only fails to educate these children effectively, but it is a colossal waste of taxpayer money.

Yet here is Mr Fiscal Responsibility, just drooling over the prospect of killing a disabled citizen of this country, because he thinks the money spent on her care is wasteful.

Hypocrite.
22 posted on 03/17/2005 8:50:45 AM PST by Darnright (No matter how sick a person is, he is and will always be a man, never becoming a vegetable or animal)
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To: LongViewSC
According to this article: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/legislature/sfl-316schiavomoney,0,3730248.story?coll=sfla-news-legislature
the Schindler's lawyer, Schiavo's parents, is working for free too, except for some funds from an advocacy group.
23 posted on 03/17/2005 8:55:25 AM PST by booksaver
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To: booksaver

Hospices are not for rehabilitation. They are for terminal patients, with no hope of living.


24 posted on 03/17/2005 9:00:28 AM PST by Politicalmom (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.")
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To: Darnright
I'm not acquainted with the writer of the article, Mr. Long, but I don't think he's making the point that Medicaid for Schiavo is wasteful. I don't sense any drooling either.

And I don't follow you on your first argument. This article doesn't mention children with disabilities or the educational system. Are you referring to another article authored by him?
25 posted on 03/17/2005 9:02:29 AM PST by booksaver
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To: booksaver

Here we go. The lawyers basically sucked up the
money....


26 posted on 03/17/2005 9:05:32 AM PST by traumer
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To: booksaver

Sorry, there have been many, many posts on other threads, complaining about the potential outlay of taxpayer money on Terri Schiavo's upkeep.

Why is this author writing on this subject? What is the author's purpose in bringing this up, particularly just as the fight to preserve Ms Schivo's life is at a critical juncture? Might it be a subtle attempt to make those people on the fence about this issue think that perhaps it's wasteful to spend money on Ms Schiavo, when her husband is trying to end her life?

As I pointed out, the money potentially spent on Ms Schiavo will keep her alive, as opposed to money spent (taxpayer funds), now spent on mainstreaming severely disabled children, who are unable to participate in any meaningful way in a classroom.

Call me jaded, but I suspect the author's motives in writing on this subject, at this point in time.


27 posted on 03/17/2005 9:13:24 AM PST by Darnright (No matter how sick a person is, he is and will always be a man, never becoming a vegetable or animal)
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To: Politicalmom

Maybe the Schindler's want to move her to another facility. But they have repeated cited doctors' claims that she can be rehabilitated. See:http://www.lifenews.com/bio627.html


28 posted on 03/17/2005 9:18:22 AM PST by booksaver
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To: Darnright

I can't speak to his motivations. I, for one, do not think that Medicaid is a waste when preserving lives. I don't accept the "quality of life" argument either. All life is precious as far as I'm concerned. Even severely disabled children's.


29 posted on 03/17/2005 9:25:55 AM PST by booksaver
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To: booksaver
Schiavo is given occasional pain medication, Bushnell said.

I wonder how they know when to administer it?

30 posted on 03/17/2005 10:02:37 AM PST by Old Professer (A man's conscience is like his garden, it is his and his alone to tend.)
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To: booksaver

I had not read the full article as I was unable to access it. I used the term death squad to describe Mikey and Greer and others who seem so set on seeing Terri die. As for fraud it was just an aside to the question about who pays. Since the big concern seemed to be that Medicaid through its taxpayer funding was paying, I just thought I would bring up that there are more serious problems with Medicaid than legitimate patient care payments.


31 posted on 03/17/2005 10:07:03 AM PST by lastchance
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To: jjmcgo

Where on earth did you come up with that number?


32 posted on 03/17/2005 10:08:13 AM PST by Hildy
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To: lastchance

If he received $700,000 in 1993, it's not so hard to believe that 12 years later most of it has gone towards her medical bills.


33 posted on 03/17/2005 10:09:35 AM PST by Hildy
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To: Darnright

He's a reporter. "Who pays" is a question on people's minds in this case. He's not making that up.


34 posted on 03/17/2005 10:10:30 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: booksaver

How about illegals? Are there lives as precious? Can anyone come here and have their lives paid for? The truth is everyday life and death decisions are made. This is not different.


35 posted on 03/17/2005 10:10:34 AM PST by Hildy
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To: booksaver
FIND YOU SENATORS NUMBER HERE
36 posted on 03/17/2005 10:37:34 AM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: Hildy
That's a good question. But I'm inclined to believe that health care is more important than the immigration question. Years ago, if you remember, California tried to deny health care to illegal aliens which turned out to be unenforcible. I think if people are sick and you allow them to stay sick, in this age of epidemic illnesses like AIDS and killer super flu's, it's probably in all our best interests to care for the sickest of the poorest among us.
37 posted on 03/17/2005 10:38:25 AM PST by booksaver
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To: Old Professer

Also, a good question. It's been reported that she laughs, cries, interacts with her parents. Maybe she also acts in ways that make them believe she's in pain. Just a guess, of course.


38 posted on 03/17/2005 10:43:31 AM PST by booksaver
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To: Hildy

I added the fees of Michael's two lawyers.


39 posted on 03/17/2005 10:57:45 AM PST by jjmcgo
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick; 4Godsoloved..Hegave; 8mmMauser; a5478; Annie03; atruelady; ...

Terri ping! If anyone would like to be added to or removed from my Terri ping list, please let me know by FReepmail!


40 posted on 03/17/2005 11:12:33 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: booksaver
Agreed that everyone should have some kind of access to medical facilities. Disagree that the money to pay for it should be forcefully take from people at the point of a gun and threat of jail. Charity and religious organizations are great for this type of thing.

Its just wrong to make a person a slave to another and that is exactly what you are doing when you take the fruits of a mans labor from him (against his will) and give it to another. Its even wrong to do when you believe its for a good cause.

I think its repugnant that you are using this case to shill for socialism.
41 posted on 03/17/2005 11:16:03 AM PST by myself6 (Nazi = socialist , democrat=socialist , therefore democrat = Nazi)
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To: jjmcgo

You don't think that any of it has gone to Terri's bills from the past 12 years?


42 posted on 03/17/2005 11:21:49 AM PST by Hildy
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To: jjmcgo

When the money is gone, Michael's phoney friends, the judge and the laywer, will no longer remember his name.


43 posted on 03/17/2005 11:22:01 AM PST by chiefqc
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To: Hildy
all the money from the settlement was spent already on her care. there is no money left.

Well, you got it half right. All the money ismostly gone. But it sure didn't go for any rehab or care. That all ended when Mikey deposited the check in 1992. Here is an accounting of the funds(including pre-payment of her cremation with Greer's blessing from funds that were intended for her rehab):

The following expenditures have been paid directly from Terri's Medical Trust fund, with the approval of Judge George Greer:
 
Summary of expenses paid from Terri’s 1.2 Million Dollar medical trust fund (jury awarded 1992)

NOTE:  In his November 1993 Petition Schiavo alleges the 1993 guardianship asset balance as $761,507.50

Atty Gwyneth Stanley
Atty Deborah Bushnell
Atty Steve Nilson
Atty Pacarek
Atty Richard Pearse (GAL)
Atty George Felos

$10,668.05
$65,607.00
$7,404.95
$1,500.00
$4,511.95
$397,249.99

Other

1st Union/South Trust Bank

$55,459.85

Michael Schiavo

$10,929.95

Total  $545,852.34

After 11 years of interference with carrying out his wifes request her husband has been forced into a lifestyle that he wouldn't have gone to had he been allowed to carry out her wishes.

This is Michael's $400,000 house, complete with an oval pool in the back yard. He and his "fiancee" have his and her Mercedes. All this on a nurses salary??? What a tough lifestyle to be "forced" into, wouldn't you say??


44 posted on 03/17/2005 11:22:46 AM PST by wisconsinconservative ("Life Support"...It's what's for dinner! (spicy chicken Life Support & diet hydration! yum!))
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To: booksaver

Well, that's just an impossible burden on our health system and on our budget. My point is life and death decisions are made for a variety of reasons. It's unreasonable to think that the US can keep everyone alive no matter the cost.


45 posted on 03/17/2005 11:23:50 AM PST by Hildy
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To: jjmcgo

If Terri's funds would have been used properly and she lived at home where those who are disabled usually do live her financial independance would not be an issue.

Homecare is better and more economical then nursing homes.

I recently learned that in our State of Oregon most severly disabled careproviders in home recieve $1200.00 to $2000.00 dollars and healthcare needs are covered by the State.


46 posted on 03/17/2005 11:30:23 AM PST by oceanperch (2005 is going to be an Awesome Year, which way that will go only God knows)
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To: wisconsinconservative

So Michael only received $10,000? So what's his motivation in this? And please don't give me the "he wants to murder her because she'll one day wake up and tell the world he tried to kill her." That doesn't fly because for the first five years he tried everything, in front of everybody, to make her better. What's his motivation? It's not money....


47 posted on 03/17/2005 11:33:41 AM PST by Hildy
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To: booksaver

Yes you can do g tube feedings at home no problem also many home health care medical needs can be done at home and much better than in a facility with umpteen people just "doing a job".

Don't get me wrong there are those who care about the needs of their patients in these facilities but you also have drones that are clueless also.

I know personally the having someone come in twice a week for 9hrs for my respite is hard as they have to be constantly breifed on daily care needs.

My son had to temp. stay in a facility when I was by emergency hospitalized for a week and the care, even though I supplied all his medical supplies, sucked. Imagine no one changing his g tube stoma site pad for days at a time when normally I do it twice a day to keep the site healthy. Could lost the site meaning major surgery to put in a new one due to infection. The list goes on how half ass the care was, it is a small town and people reported back to me first hand.

I changed my diet and pay more attention to my health so that will never be an issue so help me God.

Terri could be at home or in a group home for the disabled that is sooo much better.


48 posted on 03/17/2005 11:41:58 AM PST by oceanperch (2005 is going to be an Awesome Year, which way that will go only God knows)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

Unbelievable! HINO got $2.25 million from the lawsuit! And this lawyer says it was only $700,000 and $500,000 went to her and that slime (felos). Where did the rest of Terri's funds go? Something really stinks bigtime! God Bless terri and her family and save them from this HINO and Partners in Torture and Death.How many others have been tortured and murdered there?


49 posted on 03/17/2005 11:44:46 AM PST by True Republican Patriot
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To: myself6
This case highlights the very real fact that people through no fault of their own sometimes need Medicaid and it is wrong and immoral of us, who don't need Medicaid, to deny them healthcare. And it is equally wrong and immoral for us to choose to give assistance to Schiavo, because we care about her case, and deny thousands of others.

The fact is that Americans, the whole of humanity, have and will be taxed. The question is, What are we going to do with it? Helping the poor is to me a worthy exercise of that money.
50 posted on 03/17/2005 11:45:11 AM PST by booksaver
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