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Terri's husband isn't the enemy, guardian says
Orlando Sentinel ^ | February 25, 2005 | Mike Thomas

Posted on 03/19/2005 9:18:52 AM PST by EveningStar

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To: UCANSEE2

Dozens of doctors say that Terri is PVS. If that is not the case, then I do have a strong opinion. .But I've yet to read anything to convince me otherwise and so I remain conflicted on many levels about this case.


101 posted on 03/19/2005 11:03:59 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
I know that last rites were administered yesterday; I don't think last rites always involve a host as so often patients are not in any condition to receive the host.

A few drops of the host were dropped into her Gastronomy tube.

The Judge ORDERED the priest COULD NOT GIVE IT TO HER BY MOUTH.

JEEZ, they are going to kill her and the excuse for not giving her the HOST by mouth is that SHE MIGHT CHOKE ON IT?

102 posted on 03/19/2005 11:04:07 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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I wish some here would examine the Schindlers as closely as they do Mr. Schiavo. It's not a pretty thing to say, but this whole situation isn't pretty.

We know Terri's parents want custody of her and wish to care for her.
On the other hand, Michael wants Terri dead.

103 posted on 03/19/2005 11:04:23 AM PST by jla
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To: UCANSEE2

It was not. She had bulimia. Her heart attack resulted from low potassium. It happens to those with eating disorders. You people will stop at NOTHING.


104 posted on 03/19/2005 11:05:14 AM PST by Hildy
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To: EveningStar

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1366207/posts


105 posted on 03/19/2005 11:05:17 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Indy4w

As do I


106 posted on 03/19/2005 11:05:18 AM PST by ebersole
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To: jla

This isn't directed at you but I did want to remind people that Michael has been offered $1M and $10M to keep Terri alive, so I don't think it's money that is driving him.

I will tell you this, if my husband thought my parents were going to do the following to me, I'd expect him to move heaven and earth to make sure it didn't happen to me.

Court testimony provided by members of the Schindler family included very personal statements about their desire and intention to ensure that Theresa remain alive . . . at any and all costs. Nearly gruesome examples were given, eliciting agreement by family members that in the event Theresa should contract diabetes and subsequent gangrene in each of her limbs, they would agree to amputate each limb and would then, were she to be diagnosed with heart disease, perform open-heart surgery. Within the testimony, as part of the hypothetical presented, Schindler family members stated that even if Theresa had told them of her intention to have artificial nutrition withdrawn, they would not do it.


107 posted on 03/19/2005 11:05:47 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Where do you get this stuff from?


108 posted on 03/19/2005 11:06:06 AM PST by Neets
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To: Hildy
It's then, after exhausting all the avenues, that he decides to let her go.

So why didn't he LET HER GO? Why didn't he just assign custody to her parents and walk away?

When you can satisfactorally explain that, I will find it easier to support your belief.

109 posted on 03/19/2005 11:07:45 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: Howlin; MarMema

Howlin, is there some reason why you are always so rude? I was a lurker for five years before I signed up last year and over the years I have seen that you are just about the rudest person on FR. MarMema has been on the Terri threads for years and I've seen you on them only recently. She knows far more about this subject than you could ever hope to know. And your comment that she is certainly no example of a Christian is totally uncalled for. Many of us could say the same about you!


110 posted on 03/19/2005 11:08:06 AM PST by nanetteclaret (The LORD is known by his justice; the wicked are ensnared by the work of their hands. Psalm 9:16)
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To: jla

Yes, and then they would have control of the money and if she were to die...well...who would have the money then?


111 posted on 03/19/2005 11:08:21 AM PST by Hildy
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To: zarf
This has not been FR's finest hour.

Boy, that's for sure!

112 posted on 03/19/2005 11:08:33 AM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: UCANSEE2
FYI and maybe has relevance.

NATIONAL REVIEW 3-16-5 [snip]

So how can Judge Greer ignore the opinions of so many qualified neurologists, some of whom are leaders in the field? The answer is that Michael Schiavo, his attorney George Felos, and Judge Greer already have the diagnosis they want.

Terri’s diagnosis was arrived at without the benefit of testing that most neurologists would consider standard for diagnosing PVS. One such test is MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging). MRI is widely used today, even for ailments as simple as knee injuries — but Terri has never had one. Michael has repeatedly refused to consent to one. The neurologists I have spoken to have reacted with shock upon learning this fact. One such neurologist is Dr. Peter Morin. He is a researcher specializing in degenerative brain diseases, and has both an M.D. and a Ph.D. in biochemistry from Boston University.

In the course of my conversation with Dr. Morin, he made reference to the standard use of MRI and PET (Positron Emission Tomography) scans to diagnose the extent of brain injuries. He seemed to assume that these had been done for Terri. I stopped him and told him that these tests have never been done for her; that Michael had refused them.

There was a moment of dead silence.

“That’s criminal,” he said, and then asked, in a tone of utter incredulity: “How can he continue as guardian? People are deliberating over this woman’s life and death and there’s been no MRI or PET?” He drew a reasonable conclusion: “These people [Michael Schiavo, George Felos, and Judge Greer] don’t want the information.”

113 posted on 03/19/2005 11:08:48 AM PST by AlbionGirl
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To: UCANSEE2

I believe this is why Michael did not let Terry go:

Court testimony provided by members of the Schindler family included very personal statements about their desire and intention to ensure that Theresa remain alive . . . at any and all costs. Nearly gruesome examples were given, eliciting agreement by family members that in the event Theresa should contract diabetes and subsequent gangrene in each of her limbs, they would agree to amputate each limb and would then, were she to be diagnosed with heart disease, perform open-heart surgery. Within the testimony, as part of the hypothetical presented, Schindler family members stated that even if Theresa had told them of her intention to have artificial nutrition withdrawn, they would not do it.

That's beyond gruesome. And I'd expect my husband to make darned sure that never happened to me.


114 posted on 03/19/2005 11:08:54 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: nanetteclaret

MarMena Feels more about the Terri case, she has proven she doesn't know more.


115 posted on 03/19/2005 11:08:58 AM PST by Hildy
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To: Hildy
Their daugher died 15 years ago.

That's a shabby lie.

116 posted on 03/19/2005 11:11:50 AM PST by Petronski (If 'Judge' Greer can kill Terri, who will be next?)
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To: Hildy
Even the Schindlers agree that Michael did "everything he could to help Terri" until he received the malpractice settlement. There is no evidence I have seen that he ever mentioned that she would want to die prior to receiving the award for her care. Do you think the jury would have awarded him all that $ to care for her and rehab her if he had said she wouldn't want any of that, but would want to die?

"It's then, after exhausting all the avenues, that he decides to let her go."

"Then" just happens to co-incide with receiving the $.

If as you believe, Michael just gave up because she was not going to get better, then why won't he allow her parents to care for her? They love her and want her even if she's not in the condition she once was. Why won't he divorce her?

God help us all if we ever said in front of a two-timing husband that a friend says we were going to divorce, "Jeez, I sure wouldn't want to have to live like that," while we watched a movie about someone disabled.

117 posted on 03/19/2005 11:12:02 AM PST by penowa
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To: nanetteclaret
Many of us could say the same about you!

And many of you have; and not just me.

If you think it's rude to point out that people condescendingly regularly criticize others who don't agree with them, too bad.

I think a whole LOT of you people who have been on the Terri threads are rude. And I am sure I'm not alone in that opinion; that's why hardly anybody who disagrees with you all go on them. You're successfully run anybody with a different opinion off.

118 posted on 03/19/2005 11:12:07 AM PST by Howlin
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
So the guardian is on Michael's side? Sad. Shouldn't the guardian be on Terri's side?

They are the same side. She told him what she wanted long ago and he is doing his best to carry out her wishes.

I hear a lot of anecdotes and rumors to the contrary, but all the proof is on his side.

The conspiracy to kill JFK wasn't as big as y'all think the conspiracy against Terri Schiavo is, and you can't give any rational reason for most of the supposed 'conspirators' to be in it.

So9

119 posted on 03/19/2005 11:12:25 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: Hildy
Michael hasn't make any money from this and there's no money to speak of left. I don't know how many times that has to be stated before some of you stop posting lies.

OH YES he most certainly has. He was given over $300,000 for loss of sexual partner.

And if you do a little research, the amount of money SPENT from the GUARDIANSHIP ESTATE of TERRI SCHIAVO shows that there is a considerable amount of money left.

I don't know where you are getting your information, but it is unfounded, undocumented, and totally UNTRUE.

120 posted on 03/19/2005 11:12:27 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: Peach
I think that so many people are looking for a bad guy in this case to point at. It is just so easy to point at the husband. Why is no one looking at the so called professional of the medical field that caused Terris fate? Why is there none of this same outrage at who the real villain is? I have had to make this same type of decision of whether or not to take a loved one off of assisted living. Why were we not mocked in the same manner for killing my sister? We took my sister off of life support and she suffocated to death. Since my sister had contracted breast cancer, therefore it is humane to kill her? I see no difference here. This lady supposedly has been brain dead for fifteen years.

I think that some people need to step back for a moment and ask if they would want society assisting them in making this same decision for their families.
121 posted on 03/19/2005 11:12:51 AM PST by downtoliberalism ("A coalition partner must do more than just express sympathy, a coalition partner must perform,")
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To: Hildy
Their daugher died 15 years ago.

Since you like responding with only facts, Hildy, you tell me when the Schindlers said, or even hinted, that their daughter "died 15 years ago".
How hypocritical is it for you et al to voice your indignation over what you think is the US Congress overextending it's authority yet you have the gall to think you determine when people are are no longer viable.

122 posted on 03/19/2005 11:13:25 AM PST by jla
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To: Howlin

Of course Terri's NOT vegetative !!!

All you need to do is LOOK at her !!!

But Judge Greer REFUSES to LOOK at her !!!

LOOK at her Judge Greer... LOOK at her !!!

I know you are legally blind, but just LOOK !!!

Terri is NOT vegetative... she's HOMOSAPIAN !!!

Now get off you ass and REVERSE your idiotic order !!! ;-))


123 posted on 03/19/2005 11:13:29 AM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: Hildy

My focus is not Terri specifically. My focus is the change in healthcare in this country and the culture of death.
I don't care about Terri's husband nor his attorney all that much. They are the small fry in this game.


124 posted on 03/19/2005 11:13:46 AM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: AlbionGirl

My understanding is that the Schindlers have had at least two court appointed doctors at various times. Had an MRI been recommended, I would be surprised if they would not authorize it.


125 posted on 03/19/2005 11:13:47 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: out_of_control
Maybe he still cared about her in the beginning when he still had hope of her recovery, but then wearied of it all and just wanted her dead.

Taking up with another woman is understandable under the circumstances, but it should invalidate him from being her guardian due to conflict of interest and other issues.

This article is slanted the way everything else is you read about the case no matter who you side with. The truth is probably somewhere in between and the bottom line is murder by starvation.

There is little objectivity on either side, moreso by the pro-death crowd. I excuse the parents who love her if they have been forced to misrepresent anything in the least little way. Under the circumstances, it could be morally justified.

No matter what the facts leading up to this happen to be, she is as of this moment being murdered by starvation, with her husband and lawyer as the primary agents, and the courts as the enablers who seem to want to wash their hands of the entire affair because it has become a nuisance to them, too.

There are other aspects of all this which should have been investigated that were swept under the carpet. That is reprehensible.

126 posted on 03/19/2005 11:14:00 AM PST by Aliska
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To: Peach
I Googled her name and only got 3 links about her testimony and none of it lists her saying Terri didn't want to live with tubes.

http://www.zimp.org/stuff/04%20-%20JACKIERHODESTESTIMONY.htm

http://www.coloradorighttolife.org/news_updates/terri20050215.htm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101453,00.html

127 posted on 03/19/2005 11:14:52 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Life support. canned, frozen or fresh, it's good for you!)
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To: MarMema
MarMema, you are a good Christian, and your posts are appreciated.

This topic has the tendency to really inflame passions. I do not think Michael Schiavo has her best interest at heart, and he should just do the right thing and give her over to her parents, IMO.

He is killing her, that can't be argued, and that he was allowed to do this by a PROBATE judge is really hard to take in.

128 posted on 03/19/2005 11:15:26 AM PST by AlbionGirl
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To: UCANSEE2

Yes. In fact, while washing her face they must take special care to avoid her lips and mouth, because hydration might accidentally result.


129 posted on 03/19/2005 11:15:37 AM PST by Petronski (If 'Judge' Greer can kill Terri, who will be next?)
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To: penowa
If as you believe, Michael just gave up because she was not going to get better, then why won't he allow her parents to care for her? They love her and want her even if she's not in the condition she once was. Why won't he divorce her?

Because he gave her his word he would carry out her wishes and see her dead, and her loony parents would keep her shell vegitating forever.

So9

130 posted on 03/19/2005 11:15:40 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: Peach

Prepare to be villified.


131 posted on 03/19/2005 11:16:29 AM PST by Howlin
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To: downtoliberalism

I'm sorry about your sister. I'm sure it's one of the most difficult decisions a family member ever has to make.


132 posted on 03/19/2005 11:16:31 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Hildy
I will make a wager with anyone right here right now that the first one who will profit from the Terri situation will be named Schindler.

I hope you don't gamble. You may not be good at it.

If they manage to successfully Kill Terri, we will see WHO PAYS for her burial and services. That will be telling as well.

If he didn't, why would he go through all of this craziness. AND PLEASE DON'T SAY MONEY.

Because MURDER has not statute of limitations, and they can KILL YOU if convicted.

133 posted on 03/19/2005 11:18:21 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: EveningStar

Did he do everything possible to help his wife? I say NO!


134 posted on 03/19/2005 11:19:22 AM PST by Brimack34
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To: Peach
I Googled the article and got a link to the story. There's no mention of the testimony of a friend.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orl-locmiket25022505feb25,1,4110236.column?ctrack=1&cset=true

135 posted on 03/19/2005 11:19:43 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Life support. canned, frozen or fresh, it's good for you!)
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To: Peach
Had an MRI been recommended, I would be surprised if they would not authorize it.

I wouldn't be surprised. From AlbionGirl's post above: "I stopped him and told him that these [MRI] tests have never been done for her; that Michael had refused them."

136 posted on 03/19/2005 11:19:57 AM PST by Petronski (If 'Judge' Greer can kill Terri, who will be next?)
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To: Hildy

Michael received that money for her care and rehab and there has been no accounting of where that money went. None. His lawyer says the bulk of it went to pay him and other lawyers for their services to litigate against her parents who do not want her to be starved. Michael has not filed (as required by FL law) any accounting of how that $ was spent and that is fine with Judge Greer. In order to remain her guardian, he is ordered by law to make that filing, but he has not, and he has not been removed as her guardian either. Explain that.


137 posted on 03/19/2005 11:19:58 AM PST by penowa
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To: Servant of the 9

He has no proof at all. It is heresay. It should not stand up in court. The benefit of the doubt should go in favor of life, especially when the method of death is so long and gruesome. Even the bigamist never claimed she wanted to be starved to death.


138 posted on 03/19/2005 11:21:08 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Servant of the 9

exactly...


139 posted on 03/19/2005 11:21:55 AM PST by dakine
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To: Peach

I read the same in some newspaper article, but would have to go dig it up. Instead, I will let you look if you don't believe it.


140 posted on 03/19/2005 11:22:46 AM PST by penowa
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To: Peach

Just posted what I read at NR, and I trust them. They're not going to lie about this. I'm conflicted about this too, somewhat because while it may seem an isolated incident, it has the power to set a mighty precedent which can and will be used against those who have no advocate for their life. It's a very dangerous road to go down, IMO.


141 posted on 03/19/2005 11:22:55 AM PST by AlbionGirl
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To: penowa

You are wrong.

You do a diservice to your cause by posting unsustantiated rumor and stating it to be fact.

The fact is more than HALF of that money went to her care, the rest is unaccounted for as of now.


142 posted on 03/19/2005 11:23:25 AM PST by Neets
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To: Peach

A CAT scan is worthless in diagnosing brain damage because the resolution is not clear enough.Terri should have already had an MRI done to examine her brain in detail.


143 posted on 03/19/2005 11:23:34 AM PST by rdcorso (We Are A Nation Fighting Against The Deadly Disease Of Liberalism)
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To: EveningStar

How does Wolfson know that Michael Schiavo didn't try to kill Terri? And he finds it amusing, even laughs about it? Does anyone know if he is related to Lester Wolfson?</p>


144 posted on 03/19/2005 11:23:38 AM PST by Dante3
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To: DJ MacWoW

I thought her best friend's name was Joan, but as I mentioned it was a month or so ago that I read the court testimony.


145 posted on 03/19/2005 11:23:54 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: penowa

There is an accounting. It's been posted a million times here. It went mostly to lawyers.


146 posted on 03/19/2005 11:23:57 AM PST by Hildy
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To: EveningStar

'Enemy' is a specialized term that is used in a political sense. The bigamous husband should not be seen as the enemy, because he is not in opposition to the State but is actually using the processes and institutions of the State in an ordinary way.


147 posted on 03/19/2005 11:24:04 AM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: EveningStar
Yeah this mutt ain't the enemy! He just pulled the plug and set in motion a sadistic torturous death of his wife. He could have deferred to her family and gone on with his life. He'll have it on his conscience.
148 posted on 03/19/2005 11:24:39 AM PST by KenmcG414
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To: KenmcG414

The concept of justice; the rule of law; God, Honor, Country on these our country was founded. No one is above the law.

Except Judge Greer.

The judge decided years ago that Terri should die, her life was not worth living, she stood between her husband and happiness, her husband and prosperity. She should have the decency to get out of his life. That is what she would have wanted. After all, we have his word for that. The judge relied on "expert" testimony from the foremost expert in the field, Dr. Death, a man who never met a sentient being.

If you believe them, the Governor of the Great State of Florida, the President of the United States, the Senate Majority Leader and the Speaker of the House are all powerless in the face of some mindless appointed judge in Florida. They can do nothing to keep a clearly innocent lady from being publicly murdered in a cruel and certainly unusual manner. Criminals convicted of the most heinous and despicable murders have rights to almost endless appeal and can be pardoned. Innocent people in the way of a scumbag have no right, no recourse.

According to the talking heads, Terri's fate is in the hands of her "husband", a man living in adultery with another woman, fathering bastards. Perhaps the world would be a better place if her "husband" were separated from his hands. Seems like they do that in countries ruled by the religion of peace, so it should be okay with the left.

Be left with this thought, if the Governor of the Great State of Florida, the President of the United States, the Senate Majority Leader and the Speaker of the House are really all powerless in the face of some mindless appointed judge in Florida, do you want to give up your right to keep and bear arms?


149 posted on 03/19/2005 11:25:04 AM PST by Rodentking (http://www.airpower.blogspot.com/)
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To: RoseofTexas

I am assuming Michael will soon unlist his phone number due to the barrage of hate calls he is probably getting.


150 posted on 03/19/2005 11:25:28 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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