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Posted on 03/19/2005 11:30:38 AM PST by Ravi

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To: proud American in Canada

O thank you for mentioning Stephen Hawking. He communicates because people have made it possible for him to communicate. He is trapped by his body, and if he was just some poor guy, unable to talk, needing help to live,rather than the internationally known scientist that he is, he might have been put down already.


1,221 posted on 03/19/2005 6:05:53 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: nmh
It will go back to FLORIDA Federal court and they have made it clear that they side with the Judge

'They' have made it clear??!! 'They' is a US District Court, which has many judges. One judge will get picked randomly to hear this case.

1,222 posted on 03/19/2005 6:07:15 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: freedomdefender
I think some of these zealous anti-Terri types have guilty consciences.

They are also basically frauds. No true conservatives side with the death culture it's advocates.

1,223 posted on 03/19/2005 6:09:15 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited

"'They' have made it clear??!! 'They' is a US District Court, which has many judges. One judge will get picked randomly to hear this case."

Who gets to pick the Judge?

That will determine what happens to Terri.


1,224 posted on 03/19/2005 6:12:36 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Jim Noble

There are roughly 800,000 people in this country on feeding tubes. To kill them all and prevent them from
such barbarism, you're going to need a much bigger boat.


1,225 posted on 03/19/2005 6:13:13 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: Jim Noble
THAT'S barbarism.

Yes, and we see it 180 degrees out from these other support people.

Natural death has been interrupted, and this is OK in cases where the patient has the smallest of chances to recover at least a portion of awareness and life's gifts.

In this gals case, it is barbaric to allow her to exist like this.

If a miracle is to occur, it would have occurred or will occur before she passes. What I see is the highest form of human selfishness imaginable, being portrayed for all to see.

I don't understand why others cannot sense this.I really don't. That is what I see.

1,226 posted on 03/19/2005 6:14:53 PM PST by Cold Heat (This space is being paid not to do anything.)
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To: pieces of time
Where are all of the feminists who preach about women's rights? Now they are silent while her bigamist husband has the say over Terri!

Glad to see someone else with that angle. Terri's husband in addition is perferming the ultimate act of wife abuse, slowely killing her, yet the silence from the feminazi crowd is very deafening.
1,227 posted on 03/19/2005 6:16:25 PM PST by Nowhere Man (I hope you enjoyed your dinner, Terri Schiavo can't. B-()
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To: Ravi

Voluntary Death
A Comparison of Terminal Dehydration and Physician-Assisted Suicide
Franklin G. Miller, PhD and Diane E. Meier, MD

1 April 1998 | Volume 128 Issue 7 | Pages 559-562

The controversial issue of legalizing physician-assisted suicide should be considered in light of legally available alternative methods of voluntary death. The increasingly polarized debate over this issue has failed to give due attention to an alternative: terminal dehydration. By voluntarily forgoing food and water, competent patients with terminal or incurable illness can escape intolerable, irremediable conditions without requiring transformation of the law and medical ethics. Terminal dehydration offers substantial advantages over physician-assisted suicide with respect to self-determination, access, professional integrity, and social implications but also has distinctive drawbacks as a humane means of voluntary death. This article analyzes clinical, ethical, and policy issues related to terminal dehydration compared with physician-assisted suicide.

The deeply divisive question of whether to legalize physician-assisted suicide has become a pressing matter of public policy at a time of radical change in the U.S. health care system. Managed care has expanded rapidly and now serves as the form of health care coverage for more than half of Americans with health insurance [1]. Although this organizational change seems to have reduced the growth of health care expenditures [2], approximately 40 million Americans (15% of the population) continue to lack health insurance [3]. That a legal option of physician-assisted suicide could become a "quick fix" for dying patients is a serious risk in view of the built-in incentives of managed care plans to limit treatment, coupled with the documented deficiencies of physicians in providing adequate pain relief and diagnosing and treating depression in terminally ill patients [4,5].

Given the potential for abuse if physician-assisted suicide were to be legalized in a climate of over-arching cost containment in health care, careful consideration of alternative ways for patients to retain some control over the timing and circumstances of death seems warranted. The debate over legalizing physician-assisted suicide has failed to give due attention to terminal dehydration as an alternative [6]. With terminal dehydration, competent patients who have terminal or incurable illness seek voluntary death by forgoing artificial nutrition and hydration or by ceasing to eat and drink. Terminal dehydration, accompanied by standard measures of palliative care, offers patients a way to escape agonizing, incurable conditions that they consider to be worse than death, without requiring transformation of the law and medical ethics.

In this article, we analyze clinical, ethical, and policy issues relating to terminal dehydration as an alternative to physician-assisted suicide, building on the foundation laid in 1993 by Bernat and colleagues [7] in their seminal article on patient refusal of hydration and nutrition. This topic warrants revisiting in light of the Oregon referendums to legalize physician-assisted suicide and recent federal court decisions on this issue. A balanced assessment of physician-assisted suicide and terminal dehydration is important because each method has substantial advantages and disadvantages.


Merits of Terminal Dehydration

Evidence indicates that death by terminal dehydration is not painful and that attendant physical discomfort can be adequately alleviated [6-8]. Pain and suffering caused by the underlying disease can be treated by standard palliative measures, including administration of sedation to the level of unconsciousness as a last resort [9].

A stronger moral basis exists for voluntary death by terminal dehydration than by physician-assisted suicide. The right to forgo food and water, whether by mouth or by artificial means, derives from the fundamental right of competent patients to refuse medical treatment and to be free of unwanted bodily intrusion [7,10]. Physicians are morally obligated to honor a competent patient's refusal of food and water, but they are not morally obligated to comply with a competent patient's request for lethal medication [7]. Although physician-assisted suicide may be justifiable as a last resort in extraordinary cases, a patient's right to assisted suicide does not carry the same moral force as a patient's right to forgo treatment. This difference can be seen by considering the significance of thwarting these two paths to voluntary death [11]. Force-feeding a competent patient who clearly refuses food and water violates autonomy, liberty, and dignity. In contrast, refusal of a carefully considered request for physician-assisted suicide interferes with a patient's self-determination but does not amount to a personal assault. Moreover, the patient whose request for physician-assisted suicide is denied remains free to exercise the right to voluntary death by forgoing food and water.

Self-Determination

Terminal dehydration offers a method of voluntary death that is entirely under the control of competent patients; it is not necessary for the physician to intervene by prescribing or administering lethal medication. Death by terminal dehydration demands a resolute determination to resist food and water. Because it typically takes several days to a few weeks for death to occur by this means, the patient who seeks death by terminal dehydration retains an opportunity to change his or her mind [7]. In contrast, the patient who ingests a lethal dose of medication quickly loses consciousness and rapidly progresses to death. This difference in time to death means that terminal dehydration, unlike physician-assisted suicide, cannot be accomplished impulsively.

Physician-assisted suicide, because it involves prescribing lethal medication, could subject patients to greater external influence in favor of death than that associated with terminal dehydration. Owing to the cultural authority of medicine [12], a prescription of lethal medication may carry social legitimization for some patients and signify that it is medically appropriate for the patient to hasten death. Terminal dehydration lacks this legitimization. The physician may accept the patient's decision to die by terminal dehydration, but no affirmative act by the physician is required.

Access

In 1996, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit held that prohibiting physician-assisted suicide violates "equal protection." It argued that it is unfair to permit competent, dying patients to die by forgoing life-sustaining treatment but prohibit physician-assisted suicide for equally competent, dying patients who are not able to hasten death by stopping a treatment [13]. The option of terminal dehydration, which the court did not consider, undercuts this argument: It is available to all suffering patients who are able to make decisions, including patients who are not receiving life-sustaining treatment. Accordingly, terminal dehydration is more widely available than physician-assisted suicide, which is limited to patients who can ingest lethal medication. Even a patient with a condition as debilitating as the "locked-in syndrome" can seek death by terminal dehydration [14]. The setting, however, may influence the availability of terminal dehydration because caregivers in some nursing homes and hospitals may be reluctant to comply with a patient's refusal of food and water.

Professional Integrity

Several noted physician-ethicists have argued that physician-assisted suicide is always wrong because it violates the healing vocation of medicine [15,16]. Although this absolute claim is open to challenge, the prescription or administration of lethal medication by physicians poses a serious threat to their professional integrity [17]. A request for physician-assisted suicide by a competent, dying patient who is suffering intolerably places the physician in a moral conflict between the duty to relieve suffering and the duty not to kill or to help kill. With terminal dehydration, the physician is not responsible for providing the means of death and therefore is not subjected to such a conflict. Terminal dehydration remains morally challenging, however, in view of professional commitments to preserve life and to help terminally ill patients cope until death arrives naturally. Physicians retain the right to advocate in favor of the patient's continued life as long as they refrain from coercion.

Social Implications

No controversial change in the law or public policy is required to permit patients to die by terminal dehydration [7]. Because the legitimacy of terminal dehydration derives from the patient's legal and moral right to refuse medical treatment [10], wider understanding and use of this option is apt to be less socially divisive than legalization of physician-assisted suicide. Terminal dehydration can be used openly by patients, which is a distinct advantage as long as physician-assisted suicide remains illegal.

The reluctance of many physicians to confront death and to undertake the demanding work of palliative care, coupled with incentives that operate within managed care, creates the potential for physician-assisted suicide to become a "quick fix." Physician-assisted suicide offers a swift exit, putting an end to the patient's suffering and the need for costly continued care. The determination and patience required to die by terminal dehydration, compared with the relative ease of ingesting lethal medication, make terminal dehydration much less likely to become routine for terminally ill patients.


Is Terminal Dehydration Humane?

Many of the features that make terminal dehydration potentially superior to physician-assisted suicide derive from the relatively long interval between the patient's decision to die by forgoing nutrition and hydration and the occurrence of death. However, this factor also accounts for some of the major difficulties of this method. Terminal dehydration can be made painless but not swift. Although death by terminal dehydration normally takes several days to occur, some case reports indicate a period of 3 to 4 weeks from when the process is started to when the patient dies [8,14]. The time required for death by terminal dehydration is likely to make this method seem less humane than physician-assisted suicide. Indeed, it may seem repugnant that a competent, informed patient who resolutely seeks voluntary death must stop eating and drinking and wait for an undetermined period for death to arrive. The vigil of family members awaiting their loved one's death may be burdensome and stressful. Moreover, minimal drinking in response to thirst or the urging of concerned relatives may further prolong the process of dying. Those who die by terminal dehydration typically lapse into unconsciousness before death, which may seem intolerable to some patients and their family members [18].

The difference between the lengths of time it takes to die of terminal dehydration and of physician-assisted suicide should be assessed in light of regulations likely to govern any legalized access to physician-assisted suicide [7]. The Oregon Death with Dignity Act mandates a 2-week waiting period after a request for physician-assisted suicide [19]. A waiting period of similar length is described in a model statute for legalizing physician-assisted suicide [20]. Most patients who seek death by terminal dehydration would achieve their goal within 2 weeks.

Does terminal dehydration require more determination and fortitude than can be reasonably expected [21]? Patients seeking death may be reluctant to accept terminal dehydration out of fear that their physicians and family members will not provide the support and care required to make this a tolerable option. Patients who choose this means of voluntary death remain vulnerable to persuasive pressure from family members or physicians to change their mind. They may succumb to such pressures either because life has again begun to seem worthwhile or because emotional and physical fatigue limits their ability to persist, forcing them to endure an unwanted existence.

Physician-assisted suicide also has deficiencies as a humane means of voluntary death. The patient may botch the suicide attempt and possibly be left in a condition worse than that resulting from the terminal illness. Family or friends have felt compelled in some cases to place a plastic bag over the head of a person attempting physician-assisted suicide to complete the deed [22,23]. Those who assist in a loved one's death by giving them pills or applying a plastic bag may suffer debilitating guilt and a prolonged and complicated bereavement.

Some patients who seek death may feel that terminal dehydration is, at best, less desirable than physician-assisted suicide. They may choose terminal dehydration only because legal or ethical concerns prevent their physicians from complying with a request for lethal medication. However, anecdotal evidence suggests that terminal dehydration can provide a peaceful and dignified process of dying [24].


Integrating Terminal Dehydration into Clinical Practice

Like patients who request physician-assisted suicide, patients who seek death by terminal dehydration may be depressed or may be motivated by concerns about being a burden to others. Clinicians involved in the care of patients who decide to forgo food and water must be sure that the patient is able to make decisions and that the patient's decision is informed and voluntary. Moreover, support from a physician may help counteract the patient's fear of being a burden. Because some data show an association between depression and a desire to hasten death [25-27], physicians are justified in encouraging a trial of antidepressant therapy, counseling, or both before supporting a patient's decision to die by terminal dehydration. To obviate undue influence from the physician, the initiative to explore the option of terminal dehydration should come from the patient.

Clinicians should continue to provide palliative care to patients who seek voluntary death by terminal dehydration, even if they view the patient's decision as problematic or unwarranted. Competent patients have the right to forgo food and water. Although physicians may legitimately deny a patient's request for assisted suicide, they have the responsibility to provide palliative care to patients who have resolutely chosen voluntary death. Just as a physician must continue to provide palliative care for a competent patient who refuses to have surgery and is dying of sepsis from a gangrenous extremity, palliation remains a physician's obligation for a patient who chooses to die by terminal dehydration. Patients who voluntarily choose this option after being informed about their alternatives should be assured that they will not be abandoned and that every effort will be made to promote comfort until death arrives. This commitment to provide palliative care also helps alleviate the distress of family members.


Response to Extraordinary Cases

No adult of sound mind should be forced to endure an existence that he or she rationally considers to be intolerable. Accordingly, the physician has a moral obligation not to foreclose the option of voluntary death. We acknowledge that, in rare cases, physician-assisted suicide offers a superior alternative to terminal dehydration. Nonetheless, the existence of a small number of compelling cases does not, by itself, warrant a change in policy in favor of legalizing physician-assisted suicide. We do not view legalization of physician-assisted death as a matter of individual rights [28,29]. The debate should focus on whether legalization of physician-assisted suicide will enable our society to provide better care for dying and incurably ill patients, without causing intolerable abuses. The already-available option of terminal dehydration deserves careful consideration as an alternative to physician-assisted suicide.

Grant Support: Dr. Meier was supported by the United Hospital Fund, the Emily Davie and Joseph F. Kornfeld Foundation, and the Mount Sinai Hospital Auxiliary Board.

Requests for Reprints: Diane E. Meier, MD, PO Box 1070, Mount Sinai Medical Center, New York, NY 10029.

Current Author Addresses: Dr. Miller: 3910 Underwood Street, Chevy Chase, MD 20815.

Dr. Meier: PO Box 1070, Mount Sinai Medical Center, New York, NY 10029.


1,228 posted on 03/19/2005 6:16:38 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Knitting A Conundrum; Petronski; All

"if he was just some poor guy, unable to talk, needing help to live,rather than the internationally known scientist that he is, he might have been put down already."

You are so right. Stephen Hawking would have been dead a long time ago if the death cult (to use Petronski's phrase) had its way.

Goodnight all. It's late here but I'll join with you all in prayer for Terri. And may I say I am so happy and proud to be somewhat associated with a group of people who care agout life.


1,229 posted on 03/19/2005 6:18:46 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: JennysCool
Here's the business model. We know that the population of American seniors is increasing exponentially. We know that entrepreneurs well aware of this fact have been planning their responses for a long time. We know that many Americans find their older relatives an inconvenience. If we make killing the incapacitated somehow acceptable, investors in a new wave of "compassionate euthanasia parlors" will make an awful lot of money.

You are close. Actually, aside from the positions taken by the useful idiots in the Euthanasia Now community, the REAL undercurrent to the "right-to-death" movement arises from the fact that over 80% of medical care costs are incurred in the last two years of life. Cut those two years short, and a lot of folks save a lot of cash.

1,230 posted on 03/19/2005 6:20:41 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (This just in from CBS: "There is no bias at CBS")
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To: proud American in Canada

Oh dear. :)

agout = about

Yep, it's time for bed. ;)


1,231 posted on 03/19/2005 6:22:40 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: nmh

Any new judge is going to be very very careful knowing that this case is no longer being dealt with in secret. Powerful people are on the case.


1,232 posted on 03/19/2005 6:24:08 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: proud American in Canada

Maybe we're witnessing a miracle here. I just saw Harkin on C-Span with Santorum and Martinez, all seeming to agree to try to save Terri. I didn't see all of it but I saw enough to know it was something I never expected to see.


1,233 posted on 03/19/2005 6:24:31 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: nmh
Who gets to pick the Judge?

It's a random draw. That's how almost all federal civil cases are assigned. I'm assuming that since this is Panellas County, one of the judges of the Tampa Division of the Middle District of Florida will get this case.

1,234 posted on 03/19/2005 6:26:45 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: pbrown
I think his mistress is a Catholic, against divorce.

Against divorce, but no problem with adultery?

1,235 posted on 03/19/2005 6:26:52 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (This just in from CBS: "There is no bias at CBS")
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To: Jim Noble

The first three are also symptoms of depression, curable.

The fourth added on is symptomatic of a medical problem from brain turmor to electrolyte imbalance, also curable

The first four plus five happened to my mothere who was very ill and had old lung disease from tuberculosis. She was resuscitated and lived a good while longer.

These are non specific signs that something is wrong, not a license to withold food and water and wait to die.


1,236 posted on 03/19/2005 6:27:13 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: Hildy

Do you support the Groningen Protocol?


1,237 posted on 03/19/2005 6:27:18 PM PST by FBD ("A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Peach
There is no way I'd want a young husband to sit by my bedside for years. I wouldn't want to know about his "other" life and I wouldn't want him to ignore me, but I'd want my husband's life to go on as best he could manage it under these circumstances.

That's commendable. But let's say you're incapacitated. Would you want your husband to do what Michael Shciavo has done - father children with another woman, while remaining married to you? If you don't think that would be disrespectful to you - what about to those children, who would be considered illegitimate, and couldn't take their father's name, because he remained married to you?

Michael Schiavo is abusing these children that he has fathered - because by remaining married to Terri, he's can't be their "father" in the strictest legal sense.

1,238 posted on 03/19/2005 6:27:22 PM PST by freedomdefender
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To: Nowhere Man

The hypocrisy of the leftists on this is astounding. Congress should save Anwar for the antelope, the trees for the owls, the wetlands for the birds and frogs, test lab animals, the criminals from punishment, the terrorists from panties and waterboarding, women's rights to their own bodies. Yet, these same activists say that Congress has no business in saving a disabled woman from being starved by her husband. Be afraid, be very afraid!


1,239 posted on 03/19/2005 6:27:44 PM PST by pieces of time
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Apparently the girl friend has no problem with murder either.

Yes, both are Catholic. In fact Terri and her family is as well.


1,240 posted on 03/19/2005 6:28:15 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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