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Fury as bishop says no to gay teachers in Catholic schools
The Scotsman ^ | March 21, 2005 | HAMISH MACDONELL

Posted on 03/20/2005 7:14:14 PM PST by NCjim

THE Catholic Church risked isolation last night after it emerged that senior churchmen want to bar homosexual teachers from Catholic schools.

Politicians, local government and parent groups all warned against discrimination when a senior bishop insisted that the church’s new charter for schools would prevent gay teachers from securing jobs in Catholic schools or gaining promotion if already employed.

Bishop Joseph Devine, president of the Catholic Education Commission, said the church’s blueprint for its schools - A Charter for Catholic Schools - made it clear that homosexuality was incompatible with Catholic education.

He said in an interview: "Being homosexual would not at all be compatible with the charter. It would cut across the whole moral vision enshrined in the charter.

"It would be offering a lifestyle that is incompatible with Catholic social teaching."

Bishop Devine, the Bishop of Motherwell, said the charter would provide the framework to make sure gays were not employed in Catholic schools and would probably limit the promotion opportunities of those already employed.

He said: "In practice, I would think that it is possible that some may have been hired, but [the schools] may not have known until it was too late.

"That’s our fault for not making the proper checks and references. The charter tightens it up."

The charter does not explicitly ban the hiring and promotion of gay teachers but it calls for all teachers to support the ethos of Catholicism in their jobs. It states that all staff would be "expected to support and promote the aims, missions, values and ethos of the schools".

This could be interpreted in a number of ways, but for Bishop Devine it means a bar on all homosexual teachers.

The Catholic Church has had discussions with COSLA, the local government body, over its charter and the councils are adamant that any plans to discriminate in any way against homosexuals are not acceptable and not legal.

The charter has yet to be implemented, and it has run into problems principally because, if interpreted in the way Bishop Devine believes it should be, it could easily be seen as blatantly discriminatory.

The Rev Ewan Aitken, COSLA’s education spokesman, said: "Local authorities would never countenance discriminating against a teacher because of sexual orientation. Councils would be in court in seconds."

COSLA’s condemnation was backed up by a statement from the Scottish Executive that stressed the need to hire the best staff possible regardless of any other factor.

A spokesman said: "The Executive would expect authorities, in pursuit of their statutory obligations, to employ the best staff available."

Peter Duncan, the shadow Scottish secretary, said: "I do not see any reason for discrimination on race or sexual orientation or gender."

Fiona Hyslop, SNP MSP and shadow minister for education, said: "The SNP would expect a non-discrimination element to be part of the revised schools code."

Judith Gillespie, from the Scottish Parent Teacher Council, described Bishop Devine’s views as "very sad".

She said: "His comments are worse than unfair and it reflects on the church that it wants to reject a group of people who are not choosing their lifestyle. I thought Christianity was about inclusion and brotherhood."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholicbishops; catholicschools; europeanchristians; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; scotland; teachers
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1 posted on 03/20/2005 7:14:14 PM PST by NCjim
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2 posted on 03/20/2005 7:16:14 PM PST by narses (St James the Moor-slayer, Pray for us! +)
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Prayers and encouragement for Bishop Joseph Devine!


4 posted on 03/20/2005 7:18:53 PM PST by It's me
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"His comments are worse than unfair and it reflects on the church that it wants to reject a group of people who are not choosing their lifestyle. I thought Christianity was about inclusion and brotherhood."

Nope.
Its about many things, but is manifestly NOT about celebrating,advocating or rewarding what it deems sin and/or calls evil.
Nor should it be expected to do so, prticularly by those who reject their lifestyle.


5 posted on 03/20/2005 7:22:06 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: sarasmom

I bet the person who uttered those words you quote also thinks Islam is a religion of peace.....


6 posted on 03/20/2005 7:24:48 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: NCjim
Great to hear Bishop Joseph Devine putting his foot down!

I can only wish we'd hear more of those "foot steps" here in the US.

7 posted on 03/20/2005 7:38:25 PM PST by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles"....Fr. A Saenz.)
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To: NCjim
This stuff all reminds me of a Chick bible tract many years ago....organized homosexuals confronting the Christians.

Very prophetic.

8 posted on 03/20/2005 7:46:23 PM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: NCjim
This stuff all reminds me of a Chick bible tract many years ago....organized homosexuals confronting the Christians.

Very prophetic.

9 posted on 03/20/2005 7:46:57 PM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: Great Prophet Zarquon

Doesn't really matter where it begins, just as long as it begins. The Homosexuals and Lesbians are an abomination to the Lord. The Catholic Church and Catholics Must defend the Laws of God, because it is the one true religion. The Laws of God must be defended even unto death.


10 posted on 03/20/2005 7:55:33 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Sit nomen Dómini benedíctum,Ex hoc nunc, et usque in sæculum! per ómnia saecula saeculórum)
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To: NCjim
About time. Bump.

THE Catholic Church risked isolation last night after it emerged that senior churchmen want to bar homosexual teachers from Catholic schools.

In a death-culture like that of neo-pagan Great Britain, isolation is a very good thing.
11 posted on 03/20/2005 7:59:23 PM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: Great Prophet Zarquon
Good to see you on another thread. I thought you were busy holding off the Secesh.
I have been busy setting up the next underground railroad in case they succeed. (Also busy with Spring planting). I hope you and the other Unionists are holding the line.

As for this thread. I sort of thought Jesus died for our sins. If there is no such thing as sin, wasn't that pretty much pointless? Has inclusive girl ever read the good book or stopped in to check out the Mass?
12 posted on 03/20/2005 8:04:13 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: Victor
....organized homosexuals confronting the Christians.

This is really nothing new. Gay rights advocates have been confronting Christians and Church for decades now.

13 posted on 03/20/2005 8:11:25 PM PST by Jorge
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To: NCjim

Peter Duncan, the shadow Scottish secretary, said: "I do not see any reason for discrimination on race or sexual orientation or gender."

Fiona Hyslop, SNP MSP and shadow minister for education, said: "The SNP would expect a non-discrimination element to be part of the revised schools code."




What are these "shadow" people?


14 posted on 03/20/2005 8:25:01 PM PST by Mears ("Call me irresponsible".)
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To: Mears

The "shadow people" are the members of the out-of-power party who are named to the position as if they had power. They are the 'official' waiters in the wings.

Think of it as Biden being the Democrat's "Shadow Secretary of State". We don't use it; it is a parlimentary thing, so they can immediately take power if their is a no-confidence vote.

Some Brit please correct anything I said wrong.


15 posted on 03/20/2005 9:02:16 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: Victor
>>>>>This stuff all reminds me of a Chick bible tract many years ago....organized homosexuals confronting the Christians.

A lot like a chick tract. Very prophetic of Mr. Chick.

Well, except that Chick doesn't consider Catholics to be Christians.

Well, and Mr. Chick would have lumped Catholics in with the homosexuals in confronting those he considered true Christians.

And that Mr. Chick kind of had a preference for persecuting Catholics.

So perhaps not very prophetic of Mr. Chick, as he never predicted homosexuals persecuting Catholics, and perhaps not at all like a chick tract.

patent

16 posted on 03/20/2005 9:07:33 PM PST by patent (A baby is God's opinion that life should go on. Carl Sandburg)
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"...So perhaps not very prophetic of Mr. Chick, as he never predicted homosexuals persecuting Catholics, and perhaps not at all like a chick tract....."

Whoops, yeah you're right...I forgot that Chick thought that Catholics represented the great Harlot in the book of Revelation.

I hope Chick is paying attention these days.

17 posted on 03/21/2005 4:13:41 AM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: narses

"THE Catholic Church risked isolation last night after it emerged that senior churchmen want to bar homosexual teachers from Catholic schools."

Could they also ban pedophiles and homosexuals from their priesthood? And REALLY mean it?


19 posted on 03/21/2005 4:31:33 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: narses
the church’s blueprint for its schools - A Charter for Catholic Schools - made it clear that homosexuality was incompatible with Catholic education.

Henry VIII made a big mistake when he split from the true Church.

20 posted on 03/21/2005 4:51:46 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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