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Poll: No Role for Government in Schiavo Case
ABC News ^ | March 21, 2005 | GARY LANGER

Posted on 03/21/2005 7:30:53 AM PST by Dog Gone

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To: Long Cut
Since most of the same extremists supporting THAT outcome also are the ones who brought about this fiasco, don't hold your breath. Lawmakers don't listen well to fanatics, especially after polls come out.

I've noticed you've used the terms "extremist", "fanatic", and "extreme right" quite a bit. Since the vast majority of freepers disagree with your take on the situation, do you consider FR to be an extremist right wing forum?

181 posted on 03/21/2005 11:31:29 AM PST by jmc813 (PLAYBOY ISN'T PORN;YES,PLAYBOY ID PORN ... ONLY PHOTOGRAPHED PORN IS PORN)
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To: Long Cut
"There has been no denial of the memo, however..."


""From a previous post of yours. Thanks for admitting that you were wrong.""

I see you make a habit of distortion. Your methods are showing.

"You have been on the loosing side of this debate..."

""Not according to the polls. But by all means, keep dreaming and ranting.""

You hold fast to those polls cause they will keep you warm at night.

" you need the evidence you go find it, I'll be watching your method of operation."

""No need, you yourself admitted above that they didn't deny the memo. You must have simply forgotten to apologize for the misstatement.""


Not even a clever attempt at deception. Wow, you now can fit into the category of accuser, deceiver, and destroyer. You have served yourself well.
182 posted on 03/21/2005 11:31:42 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Long Cut

Rush is talking about your precious poll...... You better go join the liberals fast.


183 posted on 03/21/2005 11:34:41 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: jmc813; robertpaulsen
I posted some of my line of thinking HERE.

Calling those of us who do not agree with the way this thing has gone "a pro-death contingent" is a perfect example of what I was talking about. You've chosen to label people into a neat little box.

Many's the time I've shaken my head to find myself on the same side as robertpaulsen in this. But, that's where the evidence and facts have led me. I also quite clearly see the overall damage this WILL do to my party.

Debate if you want, but I'll no more respond to the "pro-death" crap in this instance than I would if RP called me a drug addict because I do not support the WOD, either.

184 posted on 03/21/2005 11:34:47 AM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: Just mythoughts
"You better go join the liberals fast."

You first. You're the one who wants the government involved here, not me.

You also one of those calling for the national Guard to be called out?

185 posted on 03/21/2005 11:37:14 AM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: M-cubed
Great point..but it isn't about YOU!!!..Its about the governments right to starve someone to DEATH!...let me ask you...would you rather be starved to death of shot in the head?...if her husband shot her he'd be charged with murder...if the judicial starves her to death...all is ok...Sound like the right answer to you?

The removal of a feeding tube to allow death happens all the time in America. You just don't hear about it because there are no opportunist politicians making a big deal out of it.
186 posted on 03/21/2005 11:39:05 AM PST by Bones75
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To: Long Cut

"You first. You're the one who wants the government involved here, not me."

You are delusional, Congress acts Constitutionally and you come unglued.



"You also one of those calling for the national Guard to be called out?"

What are you talking about?


187 posted on 03/21/2005 11:39:45 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: jmc813
"do you consider FR to be an extremist right wing forum?"

A fair question. I consider FR to be a conservative political forum which therefore tends to include the more extremist rightwingers in its membership.

It thus is far MORE rightwing than the overall population. The forum as a whole is not what I would call "extremist", however sometimes it seems to go that way on several issues.

Did I answer your question?

188 posted on 03/21/2005 11:41:14 AM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: Long Cut; robertpaulsen; Cultural Jihad; Dane
Calling those of us who do not agree with the way this thing has gone "a pro-death contingent" is a perfect example of what I was talking about. You've chosen to label people into a neat little box.

Perhaps that was a bit strong. Allow me to reword that to "the folks on FR who feel the feeding tube should remain disconnected."

Many's the time I've shaken my head to find myself on the same side as robertpaulsen in this.

This issue has certainly created strange bedfellows. For instance, I disagree strongly with Cultural Jihad and Dane on the illegal immigration issue, but I am in total agreement with them on these threads. In fact, I've gotta give them both credi for posting some very good, eloquent points in the last few days.

Debate if you want, but I'll no more respond to the "pro-death" crap in this instance than I would if RP called me a drug addict because I do not support the WOD, either.

Paulsen doesn't typically name call like that. There are plenty of pro-WOD posters that do though.

189 posted on 03/21/2005 11:41:31 AM PST by jmc813 (PLAYBOY ISN'T PORN;YES,PLAYBOY ID PORN ... ONLY PHOTOGRAPHED PORN IS PORN)
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To: Just mythoughts
Let's see...you claimed that the memo was denied. Then, presented with a statement that acknowledged its existence, you "moved the goalposts".

Then you pointedly ignored the request for a cite to the "denial", while ADMITTING that none existed in another post.

Then you flung mud in an attempt to hide the above, and get in yet another amusing rant.

Yep, you're performing exactly as I expected.

190 posted on 03/21/2005 11:44:32 AM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: jmc813; robertpaulsen

I was just using that as an example. Not tryin' to diss paulsen.


191 posted on 03/21/2005 11:46:07 AM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: Long Cut
There you go again, planting distortion, seeds of deception and smearing accusations.

You obviously have no evidence that the GOP LEADERSHIP sent this memo out and you know that because there is none.

Yet you continue to muddy the water, using the favorite method of operation the clintons perfected.
192 posted on 03/21/2005 11:49:38 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
"Congress acts Constitutionally..."

What part of the Constitution gives them the power to overturn a state court's ruling? What part gives them the power to intervene in a state's judicial proceedings?

And now that they have apparently seized that power, what part of the Constitution limits it?

193 posted on 03/21/2005 11:49:56 AM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: robertpaulsen

Wow - your rage makes me wonder if you have guilt issues about having pulled the plug on someone.


194 posted on 03/21/2005 11:52:09 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Long Cut

"What part of the Constitution gives them the power to overturn a state court's ruling? What part gives them the power to intervene in a state's judicial proceedings?"


Again what are you talking about, "overturn a state court's ruling". That is a false statement. Check out who it was that created this beast. Article 3.

"And now that they have apparently seized that power, what part of the Constitution limits it?"


"SEIZED"???? What a flawed concept, to accuse the Congress seized something that the Constitution provides.


195 posted on 03/21/2005 11:55:13 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Dog Gone

This Poll just shows that a lot of people don't know the real story. Anyone who really knows what is going on, knows that it is Michael Schiavo who should have nothing to do with the decision to remove the feeding tube, not the Government.

And of course it is the MSM that is responsible for misinforming so many people.


196 posted on 03/21/2005 11:57:29 AM PST by tdewey10 (Get cracking!)
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To: RexBeach; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ntnychik; Smartass; FairOpinion


2004 push-polls

Nov 2004 exit push-polls

Zogby Nov 2004 push-polls

oversampled democrats, urban voters, democrat areas

they were heavily weighted all for Kerry




but this one is different I'm sure


197 posted on 03/21/2005 11:57:47 AM PST by devolve (WWII : http://pro.lookingat.us/RealHeros.html Kerry-Heinz : http://pro.lookingat.us/RealZeros.html)
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To: robertpaulsen

I suppose the truth does sort of give me a thrill. The truth is exhilerating.

Why are you afraid to discuss what is going on here (the woman is currently being _____starved to death_______, after all, with no proof that she ever expressly stated she would want a feeding tube removed in order to starve to death if she were to end up in her current state of health).


198 posted on 03/21/2005 12:04:27 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Just mythoughts
"You obviously have no evidence that the GOP LEADERSHIP sent this memo out and you know that because there is none."

LOL! Moving those goalposts must tire your back out. To refresh your memory, I never made any claims regarding the memo. I only asked for a cite to the "denial". It was YOU who claimed a denial that didn't exist. And you apparently do not wish to deal with the fact that they have admitted its existance WITHOUT denying that they sent it out.

You made a claim. It was false. You even ADMITTED it was false, though you "forgot" to take it back and tried to shift the subject. So typical.

The rest of your post is your usual squealing.

And you somehow think you've "won" something.

And people wonder why I have a hard time taking ANYTHING people like you say seriously.

199 posted on 03/21/2005 12:05:54 PM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: Just mythoughts
Just like I thought...all bluster and no cites to Constitutional provisions granting Congress the power to intervene in a state court's internal matters, OR to order federal review of a case.

Or even something LIMITING this new power. I guess now ALL state court matters will now be turned federal, in your utopia.

I don't wonder at all why this poll indicates what it does. And now I am certain that subsequent polls will also indicate the same.

200 posted on 03/21/2005 12:09:36 PM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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