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Poll: No Role for Government in Schiavo Case
ABC News ^ | March 21, 2005 | GARY LANGER

Posted on 03/21/2005 7:30:53 AM PST by Dog Gone

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To: Long Cut
Wrong again you just keep striking out.

A claim was made that the GOP Leadership were responsible for the memo.

I responded that it was a RUMOR.

You jump in and demand me provide the evidence that the GOP Leadership did not send out this memo.

Had you actually been about seeking truth Senator Frist's own words that he had NOT read the memo was source enough that it did not come from the GOP Leadership. You just keep stepping in it time and time again.
201 posted on 03/21/2005 12:12:44 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Long Cut
YOu make bogus claims and demand me to cite to prove you wrong......

LOL get a grip.....
202 posted on 03/21/2005 12:14:51 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: jmc813
How else to put it?

Her cerebral cortex is no more. It has ceased to be. It's expired and gone on to meet its maker. This is a late cerebral cortex. It's a stiff. Bereft of life it rests in peace. It's rung down the curtain and joined the choir invisible.

Hers is an ex-cerebral cortex.

jmc813, her cerebral cortex is liquidfied. It's not there. She has no awareness. She feels no pain. She is not "conscious" even when she's "awake". Her brainstem is performing autonomic functions and keeping her body alive. That's it.

Can't you accede to her wish and allow her to die already?

(BTW, just between us, go around the internet looking for Terri blogs. Compared to them, FR looks like a kindergarten class fighting over the last piece of chocolate. I've never seen such ill-thought-out, immature, emotion-laden, childish, uninformed, incorrect, conspiracy-based, name-calling posts, and that includes the drug threads. The admin mods should pull every single one of these "Terri" threads and hot-link Freepers to where discussions are taking place at an adult level. I'm actually embarrassed as to the FR content. And I respectfully request your opinion on the matter.)

203 posted on 03/21/2005 12:15:20 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Notwithstanding
Second request.

Same situation with Terri, except that she has a living will. What would you support doing?

204 posted on 03/21/2005 12:17:56 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Diamond

So do you think we're going the way of Rome in the sense of it's brutality and barbarity? Abandoning babies to die in the countryside of exposure might merely have been the precursor to abandoning them in dumpsters, flushing them down toilets and then going back to dancing at the junior prom, or tearing them limb from limb while still inside of the womb. It's all the culture one lives in, one that values death over life, one wherein the "right to die" becomes, in a few short, slippery steps, the duty to die "for the good of all concerned". Do we as reasoning, compassionate people, then have a responsibility to speak out against such a culture of death?


205 posted on 03/21/2005 12:21:48 PM PST by chimera
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To: Just mythoughts
I thought the speech 'god' Mccain took the money out of politics.

This isn't about money; it's about votes. Demand and get a quid (i.e., something you want done), and your side had better cough up the pro quo (namely, a bunch of votes in 2006).

The GOP gave you some legislation you wanted--legislation that uses the concept of federalism and limited government as toilet paper--in other words, they clobbered a big chunk of their base to keep you happy.

The religious right had better be able to provide enough votes to win lots of elections and peel away Democrat seats.

206 posted on 03/21/2005 12:26:38 PM PST by Poohbah (If it's called "collateral damage," how come I can't use it to secure a loan?)
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To: Just mythoughts
Okay, let's go back in time, shall we?

In post #160, you state," the GOP leadership has denied they sent this anonymous piece of paper."

In post #165, you then backtracked to "Frist didn't say they sent the memo", after it was shown that he acknowledged its existance (and, I might add, had every opportunity to deny that they sent it).

It was, IIRC, then that I asked for a cite to the "denial".

Then, in post #173, you admitted that no denial exists, to another poster. After that, caught in the web, you have been trying to wriggle out, to high comedy.

"You jump in and demand me provide the evidence that the GOP Leadership did not send out this memo."

False. I asked for a cite to the "denial" you claimed in post #160.

"Had you actually been about seeking truth Senator Frist's own words that he had NOT read the memo was source enough that it did not come from the GOP Leadership."

Nice "lawyering" there, Mr. Clinton.

"You just keep stepping in it time and time again."

I'm just following your footprints.

However, it is obvious that you won't correct the record yourself, and only wish to argue. Again, so typical.

Don't worry, though. Now that I've shown how offbase you can be when confronted with even your own words, I'll just sit back and watch you squirm a while longer without my help.

I do find it funny how you consider yourself to be a good advocate for your side, however.

207 posted on 03/21/2005 12:26:42 PM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: chimera
Yes. And yes.

Cordially,

208 posted on 03/21/2005 12:28:29 PM PST by Diamond
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To: Notwithstanding
"Wow - your rage makes me wonder if you have guilt issues about having pulled the plug on someone."

You haven't seen rage. But you will if I have to ask you three times for something.

209 posted on 03/21/2005 12:31:50 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Dog Gone

The reason is that most people haven't the foggiest notion of what the legitimate role of government is in a free society. That goes for this forum.


210 posted on 03/21/2005 12:34:06 PM PST by Protagoras (If the Republican Party enacts a new tax they will be out of power for at least a generation)
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To: Long Cut
Please, what a distorted cut and paste attempt to deceive.

You accused me of RANTING and I then told you I did not choose to provide the evidence because of your accusation. NOT that there was none.

GET A GRIP.

I reallllly do not care to provide you any evidence to help you out of the mud hole you have been flopping around in.
211 posted on 03/21/2005 12:34:43 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: robertpaulsen; All
" I'm actually embarrassed as to the FR content."

Once again, to my eternal chagrin, RP, I agree with you. I've spent the last several posts, in essence, feeding a troll. My bad, but I thought to correct the record so that poster (and any lurkers) might see the error of his ways. Obviously, no such luck. Emotion has triumphed reason and even reality there.

Back to the original topic...I believe that this poll will be confirmed by others over the coming days, and that the lawmakers who bowed before the pressure from the extremist groups (PRIOR to polling data coming out) will begin backtracking, or at least shutting up.

As for those who are so reliably questioning the results and bashing the pollsters, it is fitting to ask now that, were the results exactly REVERSED, would they not be trumpeting them with cries of "VICTORY!"?

212 posted on 03/21/2005 12:34:49 PM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: Long Cut

"Once again, to my eternal chagrin, RP, I agree with you. I've spent the last several posts, in essence, feeding a troll. My bad, but I thought to correct the record so that poster (and any lurkers) might see the error of his ways. Obviously, no such luck. Emotion has triumphed reason and even reality there."

YOU DID NO SUCH THING AS SEEKING TO CORRECT ANYTHING, YOU LIE YOU PLANT DECEPTION AND YOU ACCUSE.

You have embarrassed yourself.

How is that for setting the RECORD straight.


213 posted on 03/21/2005 12:47:30 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

Yawn. Take a pill before you have a vapor-lock.


214 posted on 03/21/2005 12:53:36 PM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: Long Cut

Shower first got to get the mud offffffff.


215 posted on 03/21/2005 1:00:05 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: robertpaulsen
In your post, #141, you attempt to somehow respond to analogies and arguments I made earlier. Unfortunately, your response makes no sense at all. First of all, Michael went to court to obtain permission to remove the feeding tube, not to ask the judge decide what to do.

Second, deal with my analogies about the slippery slope, or, ignore them if you like. But don't tell me they're inflammatory. That makes you sound like some sort of weirdo.
216 posted on 03/21/2005 5:09:15 PM PST by zook
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To: Bones75

*smile*...Dont even start!


217 posted on 03/21/2005 8:21:14 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: zook
"First of all, Michael went to court to obtain permission to remove the feeding tube, not to ask the judge decide what to do."

Again, you're wrong.

"The issue is whether Terri would have wanted a feeding tube. The courts decided that she wouldn't, based in part on Michael Schiavo's testimony. Michael Schiavo is Terri's legal guardian, but he chose to allow the court to make the final determination as to whether Terri would have wanted to be maintained in her current state."

"In May of 1998 Michael Schiavo filed a petition for a court to determine whether Terri's feeding tube should be removed. In February of 2000, Judge Greer of the Circuit Court for Pinellas County ruled that there was clear and convincing evidence that Terri Schiavo would not have wanted a feeding tube."

You're suggesting that this is a slippery slope. I say it isn't -- not when it's the judge making the determination.

218 posted on 03/21/2005 11:31:29 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

It's even worse, if viewd as the court arrogating guardianship to itself then saying "kill the b*tch."

You are dancing with the ghouls, adoring an abomination.


219 posted on 03/21/2005 11:36:19 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Long Cut
As for those who are so reliably questioning the results and bashing the pollsters, it is fitting to ask now that, were the results exactly REVERSED, would they not be trumpeting them with cries of "VICTORY!"?

Because it's soooooo hard to get past the BSMSM's bias, I'd say such a hypothetical outcome would indicate that something like 98+% of Americans agreed.

220 posted on 03/21/2005 11:38:37 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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