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Bush Decries "Vigilantes," For Reasonable Immigration Policy(W Calls Minutemen "Vigilantes")
NEWKERALA ^ | 3/24/2005 | staff

Posted on 03/25/2005 6:02:45 AM PST by kellynla

U.S. News] Washington, Mar 24 : President George W Bush has decried efforts by armed private groups to act as self-appointed policemen to bar illegal Mexican immigrants coming into the United States, and pledged to push for a "reasonable" immigration policy.

More than 1,000 people--including 30 pilots with their private planes--have volunteered for what they call their "Minuteman Project", seeking to monitor the movement of illegal aliens during April and report them to the Border patrol.

Bush said after yesterday's summit with Mexican President Vicente Fox and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin at Baylor University that he finds such actions unacceptable.

"I am against vigilantes in the united States of America," Bush said at a joint press conference.

"I am for enforcing the law in a rational way." The Minuteman Project, The Washington Times notes, was born out of a long-held perception among many U.S. Residents that more Border Patrol agents are needed to handle the flow of illegal immigrants.

Bush, who is struggling to reduce the huge budget deficit, was criticised by both Republicans and Democrats earlier this month for failing to add 2,000 agents to the Border Patrol, as set out in the intelligence overhaul legislation he signed in December. The President's fiscal 2006 budget proposal allows enough money to add only 210 agents for the US borders with Canada and Mexico.

Bush said that he will "continue to push for a reasonable, commonsense immigration policy." He has proposed legislation to grant guest-worker status to millions of illegal aliens already in the United States. PTI

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; bush; foxbuttboy; illegals; vigilantes
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Outrageous! Since when are Americans not allowed to free assembly? It's past time for the W administration to start enforciing the immigration laws of this country and secure the ports and borders, fine employers who hire illegals and deport illegals. Ike did it, so can Bush! Vicente Fox needs to start solving Mexico's problems instead of dumping them off on our back porch. And it's also time for Mexico to take off the American "training wheels" and start peddling through life on her on! Semper Fi, Kelly
1 posted on 03/25/2005 6:02:46 AM PST by kellynla
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To: kellynla

You missed all the fun. See this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1369694/posts


2 posted on 03/25/2005 6:05:26 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: kellynla

Stupid move Mr President. Get a new researcher on this - these people are not vigillantes, they are only their to "spot" illegal immigrants for the authorities.

BUSH STAFFER PING. This is his weakest point. He promised to up border security - the citizens wouldn't be down there if the Feds were taking care of business.

If AQ slips through Mexico and launches a successful attack, there will be hell to pay.


3 posted on 03/25/2005 6:05:59 AM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: kellynla

You got that right. If the cops are not around to protect my house, I and Ruger will do it.


4 posted on 03/25/2005 6:06:33 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: spodefly

I guess I did. LOL Thanks for the link.
I was too busy working yesterday.
This needs to be posted EVERY DAY!


5 posted on 03/25/2005 6:07:20 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla
"I am for enforcing the law in a rational way." The Minuteman Project, The Washington Times notes, was born out of a long-held perception among many U.S. Residents that more Border Patrol agents are needed to handle the flow of illegal immigrants.

No, Mr. President. There is nothing rational about an approach that utterly fails, and had been failing now for decades.

The Minuteman Project was born from the perception that our government has utterly failed in one of the primary functions of any State: to protect our borders.

Misusing the word "Vigilante" by applying it to peaceful observation, simply corrupts logic and reinforces the impression that you just don't get it.

6 posted on 03/25/2005 6:11:01 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: kellynla
"I am against vigilantes in the united States of America," Bush said at a joint press conference.

Vigilantes have often been organized in our past to fill a needed void. When “legitimate” law enforcement personnel could not or would not do the job, common citizens had to step in.
7 posted on 03/25/2005 6:11:09 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: kellynla
"I am for enforcing letting illegals run roughshod over the law in a rational way."
8 posted on 03/25/2005 6:11:14 AM PST by Fatalist
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To: Fenris6
If AQ slips through Mexico and launches a successful attack, there will be hell to pay.

If the attack is anywhere near the scale of 9/11, he'll face calls for impeachment.

9 posted on 03/25/2005 6:14:37 AM PST by Fatalist
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To: kellynla
Bush Decries "Vigilantes,"

Yeh! How dare those vigilantes try to keep illegal immigrants out!!!! Illegals are good for the country, the economy, dirty bathrooms. Speaking of which, where's my illegal? My bathroom could use a good cleaning.
[end sarcasm]

Well, GW, vigilantes were the ones who brought law to the frontier in the 1800s. They have to do it again, because YOU WON'T.!!!!
10 posted on 03/25/2005 6:16:46 AM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: Fatalist

W's gonna get his butt kicked by conservatives on this one. He's so far out to lunch on the illegal immigration issue that he's probably having a burrito on Mars with Captain Picard & Fox.

This issue WILL come back and haunt W. Being a native Democratic Republic of Californian you have to be deaf, dumb & blind not to see the problem.

He WILL be sorry...


11 posted on 03/25/2005 6:17:00 AM PST by Bulgaricus (Allah, Allah in Free)
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To: Fatalist
"I am for enforcing letting illegals run roughshod over the law in a rational way."

Our new credo: "The 'rational way' is the compassionate way."

12 posted on 03/25/2005 6:17:16 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: kellynla

Just think of them as "undocumented Border Patrol officers".


13 posted on 03/25/2005 6:18:29 AM PST by ikka
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To: Fatalist

If there is another terrorist attack, Bush can bend over and kiss his legacy goodbye!

The Bush administration has had two and a half years to secure the borders, fine employers who hire illegals and deport the TWENTY MILLION ILLEGALS in this oountry. And the Bush administration has done ZIP, ZERO, NADA!

It is costing the state of California alone NINE BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR to allow illegals to remain in this country.
At that cost we could FLY every illegal in America home and still break even at the end of a year!


14 posted on 03/25/2005 6:21:45 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Fatalist
If the attack is anywhere near the scale of 9/11, he'll face calls for impeachment.

Exactly. His legacy would toilet worse than x42's.

We pray another attack doesn't happen, but illegals are bringing in too much that isn't being caught. We don't know whatall they are bringing in: terrorist plans? terrorist tools (weapons and armaments and explosives, etc.)? third-world diseases? WMD diseases and biohazards and chemicals? crimes and drugs and crime cartels?

With millions of illegals coming in unabated, anyone with one functioning braincell knows they aren't all coming in to clean toilets and pick lettuce.
15 posted on 03/25/2005 6:22:14 AM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: ikka
"undocumented Border Patrol officers"

That one's a keeper.

16 posted on 03/25/2005 6:24:05 AM PST by hang 'em (The chickens are finally coming home to roost on Ward Churchill's head.)
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To: TomGuy; All

What about an citizenship reward: any illegal immigrant with information that results in the capture of a terrorist agent is approved for citizenship? At least that way, the people that are fleeing to America will work for us instead of against us, as cover for AQ ops.


17 posted on 03/25/2005 6:24:49 AM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: kellynla
President Bush should be mindful of what's going on in Kyrgyzstan.
18 posted on 03/25/2005 6:27:00 AM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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And until the W administration starts enforcing the immigration laws of this country, there will never be a victory in the "war on drugs"; there will never be a victory in the "war on terrorism" and there will definitely never be "homeland security!"
Deport the illegals,
Ike did it, so can Bush!


19 posted on 03/25/2005 6:27:43 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: ikka
Just think of them as "undocumented Border Patrol officers".

Best line of the week!

20 posted on 03/25/2005 6:28:48 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: kellynla

U.S. News] Washington, Mar 24 : President George W Bush has decried efforts by armed private groups to act as self-appointed policemen to bar illegal Mexican immigrants coming into the United States


Chapter and verse please.


21 posted on 03/25/2005 6:29:51 AM PST by Valin (DARE to be average!)
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To: Publius6961
"Just doing the work our president is unwilling to do".
22 posted on 03/25/2005 6:31:10 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: DTogo
Heck, W is more concerned about securing the borders in Iraq than he is in America!

W spends BILLIONS in the Middle East fighting terrorists and he leaves the back door open in America?
HELLOOOO???
23 posted on 03/25/2005 6:31:10 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

You've got that right! The Fed's won't act on our security the citizens must.


24 posted on 03/25/2005 6:31:23 AM PST by JamesA (aclu)
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To: Fenris6

Nature abhors a vacuum, Mr. President.

If you don't do it, someone will.


25 posted on 03/25/2005 6:32:23 AM PST by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: kellynla

He's right:

Main Entry: vig·i·lan·te
Pronunciation: "vi-j&-'lan-tE
Function: noun
Etymology: Spanish, watchman, guard, from vigilante vigilant, from Latin vigilant-, vigilans
: a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law appear inadequate); broadly : a self-appointed doer of justice


That definition seems appropriate. They are vigilantes.


26 posted on 03/25/2005 6:34:05 AM PST by Hoodlum91
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To: ikka
"undocumented Border Patrol officers"

EXCELLENTE! LOL
27 posted on 03/25/2005 6:35:14 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

Perhaps Bush has been bought out by Mexican corruption.


28 posted on 03/25/2005 6:36:09 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: kellynla

Bush, in fact the whole clan are done - this is it - I am sick and tired of them. I will work for anyone to get in office, yes even Hitlery, over these F'n back stabbing elitist RINOs. At least with Hitlery you know your enemy and we may get a congress that will unite to grow some balls.


29 posted on 03/25/2005 6:36:26 AM PST by sasafras (unity not diversity is what made America great)
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To: Hoodlum91

Let's be adults here, I think you and everyone else in America knows what W meant...
W is against Americans doing what he refuses to do.
"Man the borders!"


30 posted on 03/25/2005 6:39:43 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla
If there is another terrorist attack, Bush can bend over and kiss his legacy goodbye!

Illegal immigration is just terrorism in slow motion!

How many murders, rapes, assaults, burglaries and child molestations do these people commit? Why are our Federal and State prisons jammed with them in numbers vastly exceeding their percentage of the population? Are you any less dead if you die from an illegal immigrants tuberculosis or hepatitis or chinga then if you die from a terrorists anthrax?

Don't forget John Lee Malvo!

Illegal immigrants = Terrorists

31 posted on 03/25/2005 6:42:33 AM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: ikka
Just think of them as "undocumented Border Patrol officers".

Good one!
32 posted on 03/25/2005 6:45:26 AM PST by small_l_libertarian (Snuggled back down into my cozy duvet of rage...)
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To: kellynla

Bush is way out in left (literally) field on this issue. I can't recall him ever saying anything quite so direct about the people from Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, etc. who are routinely breaking our immigration laws with the full knowledge and complicity of the Mexican government and Bush's "buddy" Vicente Fox. Furthermore, the Mexican government employs the Mexican military to enforce its own immigration laws on the Mexico-Guatemala border; isn't that a bit of irony?


33 posted on 03/25/2005 6:47:38 AM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired...)
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To: ManHunter
"isn't that a bit of irony?"
It's hypocritical as hell! Fox wants his people to be allowed to freely cross the American border but is emphatically against folks crossing Mexico's southern border!
34 posted on 03/25/2005 6:52:10 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla
Bush is an hypocrite.

His neighbors suffer repeated trespasses, yet he denies them.

The law says no trespassing, but he does not enforce the law.

Take his ranch, put it on the border - directly alongside the neighbors who are suffering, and Bush would have his security stop tresspassers onto his land and call that "rational" ... while accusing his neighbors who do the exact same thing, as being "irrantional" and "vigilantes."

NOTE: A vigilante is a person who exacts punishment. Bush's description of his neighbors, does not apply.

35 posted on 03/25/2005 6:56:03 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: kellynla

Thought I was being an adult by pointing out that the Minuteman Project IS a group of vigilantes. THEY ARE!!! If you assign a negative connotation to that term, that's your problem.

Frankly, I applaud their efforts, but they ARE vigilantes. They should be proud of the term.


36 posted on 03/25/2005 6:56:52 AM PST by Hoodlum91
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To: Hoodlum91

yea, yea, yea...

go buy a dog to kick, 'cause I'm not taking the bait! LMAO


37 posted on 03/25/2005 6:58:34 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

Invasion. (two edged sword on this issue).

A)We are being invaded.
B) Mexico should be invaded to repay the favor.

This is a Rome-Carthage "thing."

Mexico delenda est.


38 posted on 03/25/2005 8:06:43 AM PST by Bald Eagle777 (Am I my brother's FREEPer?)
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To: kellynla
"I am against vigilantes in the united States of America," Bush said at a joint press conference.

Vigilantes CREATED the united States of America. And may yet save it.

"I am for enforcing the law in a rational way

Then DO IT, El Presidente!!

39 posted on 03/25/2005 8:10:30 AM PST by Rytwyng
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To: Fatalist
If AQ slips through Mexico and launches a successful attack, there will be hell to pay.

If the attack is anywhere near the scale of 9/11, he'll face calls for impeachment.

Why wait? Why not draw up articles of impeachment now? It might scare him into action.

40 posted on 03/25/2005 8:13:09 AM PST by Rytwyng
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To: ikka
,i>"Just think of them as "undocumented Border Patrol officers".

I like that!

41 posted on 03/25/2005 8:15:54 AM PST by Wurlitzer (I have the biggest organ in my town {;o))
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To: Hoodlum91
You may be trying to focus on an aspect of vigilantism that accomodates the volunteer nature of it, or the aspect wherein vigilantism is a response to inadequacies in 'official' law enforcement, but the MMP is not about law enforcement in and of itself, nor about punishment for law breakers. Its goal is to observe and report only, not to detain and punish.

The term 'vigilante', used in the setting where the President used it, has very negative connotations, and will not enhance the safety of the MMP, who are already under direct physical threats from Mexican gangs and Mexican officials.

It was a stupid thing for him to say, in addition to being wrong.

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One entry found for vigilante.
Main Entry: vig·i·lan·te
Pronunciation: "vi-j&-'lan-tE
Function: noun
Etymology: Spanish, watchman, guard, from vigilante vigilant, from Latin vigilant-, vigilans
: a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law appear inadequate); broadly : a self-appointed doer of justice
- vig·i·lan·tism /-'lan-"ti-z&m/ noun

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42 posted on 03/25/2005 8:27:00 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: kellynla

interesting.... i was wondering how W would LABEL these Patriots.. and now i know. and he was NOT being complementry.

W was in the oil business in Midland and Odesa Tx during one the biggest Tax and Big Gvt revolts this country has ever seen. and it happened right there. there were Patriot men buying local TV time to go on air and give their views of what they saw as a tax-crazed and rule/regulation passing Fed Gvt gone mad.
they had some excellent points and had many local LE on their side in this...
but then the feds sicced the IRS on the Patriots with orders to make examples out of them. with the help of Judges - they did just that. many went to prison...

W was there during this period.... and i have wondered how this effected his politics... and just who's side he chose.... well, now i know.

surprise surprise.... they're all the same. he sounds no better ... no more Constitutionally Educated than Janet Reno.


43 posted on 03/25/2005 8:34:57 AM PST by sdpatriot (remember waco and ruby ridge)
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To: Let's Roll

"Nature abhors a vacuum, Mr. President.

If you don't do it, someone will."

Now that you put it in terms of physics, I get it! Actually, I got it decades ago, but I like any chance to insert a physics concept into a discussion.

I spent part of last night scraping the 'W' stickers off of my car and throwing away my Bush-Cheney signs. And I donated some more money to the Minuteman Project (money that will NOT be going to the GOP now!).

http://www.minutemanproject.com


44 posted on 03/25/2005 9:06:51 AM PST by Serenissima Venezia (An engineer turning teacher (unless I come back to my senses!))
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To: Hoodlum91

Ah, wrong! They are not punishing anyone. The are infact turning them over to the correct law enforcement officials for processing. These people deserve a Citizen Merit Awards!


45 posted on 03/25/2005 10:53:33 AM PST by mr_hammer
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To: kellynla

If the Minutemen are vigilantes, then GW Bush is Fox/Mexico's whore.


46 posted on 03/25/2005 12:36:24 PM PST by Stopislamnow (Three co-equal branches? Not anymore. Sig heil mein black robed tyrant!)
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To: kellynla

I heard some of he "volunteers" they stated that they are not going to shoot anyone, they are going to bring them to the authorities. they are not vigilantes


47 posted on 03/25/2005 1:37:23 PM PST by Burlem
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To: kellynla

President Bush assumes the position on border security once again!


48 posted on 03/25/2005 2:06:30 PM PST by paleocon patriarch ("Never attribute to a conspiracy that which can be explained by incompetence.")
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To: kellynla

President Bush assumes the position on border security once again!


49 posted on 03/25/2005 2:07:45 PM PST by paleocon patriarch ("Never attribute to a conspiracy that which can be explained by incompetence.")
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To: kellynla

Me thinks there is a FOX hiding in the Bush.....


50 posted on 04/02/2005 11:10:41 AM PST by Quartermaster
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