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CA: Crisis in education - Parents bear heavy responsibility for dismal school droput(sic) rates
LA Daily News ^ | 3/25/05 | Op/Ed

Posted on 03/25/2005 11:36:31 AM PST by NormsRevenge

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Quit teaching them how to put condoms on cucumbers and be an Islamist for a week, and maybe that might help too.
1 posted on 03/25/2005 11:36:35 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
The education system must find new ways to involve families more fully in the process.

Okay. Here's the plan:

Decrease funding for math programs
Decrease funding for reading and writing programs
Use these funds to hire additional adminsitrators
Have new hires conduct feasibility study on increasing family invovlement.
Abandon study when Jesse Jackson announces that he will not tolerate criticism of family structures in the minority community.
Provide grant money to Harvard to see if the problem has worsened.

2 posted on 03/25/2005 11:41:59 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Let's give credit where credit's due...

The immigration of millions of ILLEGAL ALIENS is LARGELY responsible for MUCH of CA's financial infrastructure problems.
3 posted on 03/25/2005 11:54:03 AM PST by odoso (Millions for charity, but not one penny for tribute!)
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Yes, and illegal students are a major reason many CA teachers still have jobs, (even if their performance is dismal). One thing I did not see is that in many hispanic communities if the father has a position for his sons they get employed in the family business when they can handle the job. This is often the reason for dropping out of high school. As far as the girls, I forget what they drop out to do.

We know from other articles that blacks drop out because to succeed in school (with the exception of sports) is acting white. And role models like Condi and Colin simply prove the case, since Condi is doing so well in her career she can't be black?


4 posted on 03/25/2005 11:59:20 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Oh, goody. A new word. Let's see if I can use it right:

Al Gore was a droput from divinity school before he invented the Internet.

When I play golf, I droput the ball near the hole when no one is looking.

The cop droput the doughnut in his coffee cup.

Can you droput the lawnmower in my garage when you're done with it.

Please don't droput the turkey on the dog.





5 posted on 03/25/2005 12:02:13 PM PST by sergeantdave (Smart growth is Marxist insects agitating for a collective hive.)
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To: sergeantdave

Oh, just droput, will ya. ;-P lol


6 posted on 03/25/2005 12:03:29 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: KC_for_Freedom

Eventually, America is going to be forced to look in the mirror and stop forever scape goating all the teachers across America. It all starts in the home and the problems are just a social reflection of ourselves.


7 posted on 03/25/2005 12:08:47 PM PST by Eska
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As far as the girls, I forget what they drop out to do.

Have babies.

8 posted on 03/25/2005 12:11:55 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: KC_for_Freedom

I'm sorry... So you said all that to say what?


9 posted on 03/25/2005 12:15:12 PM PST by odoso (Millions for charity, but not one penny for tribute!)
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To: Eska
"Eventually, America is going to be forced to look in the mirror and stop forever scape goating all the teachers across America. It all starts in the home and the problems are just a social reflection of ourselves"

It's almost funny. Try going to any gummint skewl and telling them you disapprove of them teaching, say, pornish sex-ed, and see how anxious they are for "getting parents involved."

My thoughts on this matter is that the fewer children stay in the gummint skewls, the better, even if it's for one day, since that day, at least, they won't be learning bad things. I live in Florida, so not familiar with Cali, but we've been increasing budgets for skewls for at least 30 years that I know of, and every year the scores get worse, fewer kids can read when they "get out" of those places, they have a tendency to be taking more dope to survive-from skewl lessons (Ritalin, et al), they have no moral base to fall back on.

It's my idea that maybe it's time to cut budgets every year by 10%, until they start producing some positive results. And by positive results, I don't mean running a more efficient and profitable drug trade.
10 posted on 03/25/2005 12:18:53 PM PST by GlennD
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To: NormsRevenge
here's a hint that won't cost them a single penny:

everybody speaks PROPER ENGLISH while in school!!!

white black brown yellow or red... NO JIVE/SLANG of any kind at all... they have the rest of their lives to talk sh!t.

11 posted on 03/25/2005 12:36:10 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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Eventually, America is going to be forced to look in the mirror and stop forever scape goating all the teachers across America. It all starts in the home and the problems are just a social reflection of ourselves.

Those "parents" are products a public education system that is working exactly as intended. So are the teachers.

12 posted on 03/25/2005 12:49:16 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Teachers, their unions and their administration fail to adjust to reality as to the ability of the students they are failing to educate. The problem is more the student's abilities rather than teacher liabilities.

At the risk of this post being extirpated, I would point out that for at least 100 years we have known that there are intelligence differences between children. Whether from nature or nurture, presently the mean I.Q. for some minority groups is 85. It usually requires an I.Q. of 85 or better to profit from the usual HS education. This means that one half of these students will either fail at HS work or quit unless the system is dumbed down.

Those of Whie European ancestory need not be too puffed up by these findings. Presently, we are trying to send 40-60% of HS graduates to college but only 26% or thereabouts are graduating. Since it takes at least an IQ of 110 (about 20-25% of the population)to do real, academic college work, it is not surprising that the college "drop out" rate is so high.

An unbelievable cultural, egalitarian shared delusional bias keeps education in the backwaters of discovery and success. As long as everyone believes "all children are above normal" then you will have a mythical community of Lake Wobegone rather than a real society. Since children and society live in real communities the Lake Wobegone option won't work.

The real crisis in education is not money or ability but honesty and planning for children of different abilities. It may be we need to spend a lot more on the lower half of the bell curve: we might also need to expect a lot more from the upper half of the bell curve.

Just my opinion. I hope I don't bet banned.

13 posted on 03/25/2005 12:53:36 PM PST by shrinkermd
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I wonder if this numbers are skewed. By that I mean that are students that are pulled out of these schools by thier parents to be homeschooled being counted as dropouts?


14 posted on 03/25/2005 1:01:27 PM PST by diverteach
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I would suspect to a limited degree, that might be true, but I'm not sure, quite frankly.


15 posted on 03/25/2005 1:05:59 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: odoso

I said it to add some new facts (maybe obvious, maybe not) and to add some levity. (Oh, and to post my agreement with what you said.)


16 posted on 03/25/2005 1:27:55 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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We have a winner, and it works for hispanic dropouts as well. This is not to say that whites do not drop out for the same reason, but they appear to do so in smaller numbers?


17 posted on 03/25/2005 1:29:23 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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Well, the home and school go together. In my son's school (one with lots of hispanic kids) the teacher was told by the hispanic parents to teach the kids in school and skip sending them home with homework, because at home they had other things to do. Of course, doing homework is the single best predictor of success in school, and the more homework the more success. So this parent had it wrong, but as the teacher continued to assign homework, the hispanic kids simply fell farther behind and became more turned off and more distuptive. Not a good plan at all. The teacher btw was a black lady and very consciencious and hard working. She did not have an answer to the challenge to educate in class and let the kids have their free time at home.


18 posted on 03/25/2005 1:33:35 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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We have a winner, and it works for hispanic dropouts as well. This is not to say that whites do not drop out for the same reason, but they appear to do so in smaller numbers?

I'm confused. Might you be?

FYI: Hispanics are "white". That's why the feds have the category WNH (White: Not Hispanic)on all census data.

19 posted on 03/25/2005 1:44:48 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: NormsRevenge

Just imagine how bad things would be if they hadn't stopped that school choice inititive. < /sarcasm>


20 posted on 03/25/2005 1:46:11 PM PST by Tribune7
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