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Outside View: Bush's F-16 folly
United Press International ^ | Mar. 25 2005 | Kaushik Kapisthalam

Posted on 03/26/2005 12:06:13 AM PST by Gengis Khan

ATLANTA, GA, Mar. 25 (UPI) -- The U.S. government announced Friday its decision sell nuclear-capable Lockheed-Martin F-16 C/D strike fighter aircrafts to Pakistan. While the deal still needs congressional approval, given that the Republicans control both houses of Congress, the sale is unlikely to face any roadblock.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bigmistake; f16; india; pakistan; us
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1 posted on 03/26/2005 12:06:13 AM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan
Weapon sales to a rogue nation. One that is not only the most anti-American in the world, but one that has also done the most to proliferate nuclear weapons in the last 20 years. Also a nation that has in the past provided direct logistical and financial support to both the Taliban and Al Qaeda elements, and still provides major support (through the ISI) to Islamic terrorists in the Kashmir area.

It is truly March Madness. After the Terri Schiavo thing, and now this, I am half-expecting for China to be made the 51st state! Or maybe it already is, for all intents and purposes.

Now let me go watch the nice piggies flying above my house!

2 posted on 03/26/2005 12:13:01 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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To: Gengis Khan

Nuclear capable? The Pakis already have nuclear capable aircraft. I also suspect that this article was written before Fridays announcement of an F-18 deal with the Indians.


3 posted on 03/26/2005 12:14:19 AM PST by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty season!)
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To: ProudVet77
I know the older F-16As we sold to Pakistan were made nuclear capable by them. Specifically the F-16As of Nos 9 and 11 Squadrons at Sargodha base in Pakistan. They were modified to carry a nuke.

And i am sure that these new F-16s we are going to give (since they are paid for by US taxpayers) to Pakistan will have a number of them made nuclear capable the moment they touch Pakistani soil.

4 posted on 03/26/2005 12:18:30 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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To: Gengis Khan

Whats the difference if they buy f-16's from us or Su-27's from Russia? either way they will have what they need. At least this way we get the money. And the workers get the work.


5 posted on 03/26/2005 12:19:36 AM PST by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Gengis Khan
Part of the deal with Musharaf. An element in negotiation with India. India has purchased a bunch of Sukhoi Su-37s. Better Musharaf buys F-16s than brand X.
6 posted on 03/26/2005 12:20:27 AM PST by Iris7 (A man said, "That's heroism." "No, that's Duty," replied Roy Benavides, Medal of Honor.)
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To: ProudVet77

Other Pakistani N-capable aircraft like the Mirage-5,& the Chinese A-5 have nowhere near the air to air capability of an F-16 or the payload.


The US has only offered the F/A-18 to India,along with joint-production.Something the French,the Europeans(Britain/Germany) & Russia have done ages ago with their systems.The F/A-18 has a chance only if the US relases the JDAM,SLAM-ER/JASSM,AMRAAM,APG-80s,along with maximum security against sanctions.You see,unlike in the 60s,India can afford to not be treated as equal-equal with Pakistan & the French,Russians,Israelis,South Africans are all drooling for an Indian contract.


7 posted on 03/26/2005 12:23:41 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Echo Talon

The Russians(& the French & the Poles) know which side their bread is buttered on when it comes to selling weaponry to a semi-failed & bankrupt state like Pakistan.They have a far bigger market in India.

About 'we' getting the money,hope you know that Pakistan has got over 3 bilion US$ of military aid since Sept 11th-so how exactly do 'we' get hard currency????


8 posted on 03/26/2005 12:26:27 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

well, the folks that make the aircraft get the work, siince the F-16 is now dead, to the US. we just recieved the last F-16 yesterday i believe? The US will only sell f-16 not buy anymore. someone needs to keep these people working. Also, i would rather have Pakistan use the aid on our aircraft, rather than giving russia our money.


9 posted on 03/26/2005 12:30:04 AM PST by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
I'd rather give Pakistan 3 bil of aid then Egypt or Turkey !

FYI: India is not our friend. They vote every time against the uSA at the uN.

10 posted on 03/26/2005 12:31:32 AM PST by america-rules
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To: Echo Talon

Err,You cannot use American military aid to buy foreign systems unless the US allows it(as in the case of submarines or tank engines from Europe for Egypt or Israel).The Russians will never sell to Pakistan-they have billions to make in India & they are smart enough to recognise that .Besides Pakistanis regularly turn up in Chechnya,a fact the Russians haven't taken kindly to .


11 posted on 03/26/2005 12:32:53 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: america-rules

Yep,India has done a lot of evil things-

1.It has yet to sell nuclear tech to distinguished members of the International community,including North Korea,Libya & Iran.

2.It's citizens were among 3 nations(others being Poland & the Phillipines) to have endorsed GWB & the US in a global opinion poll.

3.India hasn't had an incident where an American journalist kidnapped & had his throat slit & the terrorists asking for resupply of F-16s.& India doesn't have a military dictator(oops,it never had one) who said Daniel Pearl was turning up in places he had no business to be in.

4.India's intell agencies did nothing to help form the Taliban.Instead they committed the cardinal sin of forming & arming the Northern alliance along with Iran,Russia & Uzbekistan among others.


12 posted on 03/26/2005 12:37:41 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
rr,You cannot use American military aid to buy foreign systems unless the US allows it(as in the case of submarines or tank engines from Europe for Egypt or Israel).The Russians will never sell to Pakistan-they have billions to make in India & they are smart enough to recognise that .Besides Pakistanis regularly turn up in Chechnya,a fact the Russians haven't taken kindly to .

ok then they buy from China. Should China get our money? Even if they dont (our money) they still can buy from China.

13 posted on 03/26/2005 12:40:14 AM PST by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Echo Talon

Pakistan has been China's longest lasting ally.They have stayed that way,even when the US was selling arms to them.Now as they are recieving new F-16s,they are also getting the JF-17/FC-1 fighter & 4 frigates from China.In the late 80s,Pakistan is said to have leased an F-16 to the PRC,which helped them to finetune their J-10 fighter.So if the US sells new F-16s to Islamabad,pls keep that possibility in mind.


14 posted on 03/26/2005 12:43:28 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Gengis Khan
We need to arm all our so-called friends in case China wants a war.
15 posted on 03/26/2005 12:45:48 AM PST by Brimack34
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Yep,you should also arm Pakistan which is buying scores of weaponry from Beijing & is also building a new deepwater port in Pakistan.What better way to counter China than to arm it's oldest friend.


16 posted on 03/26/2005 12:47:51 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Ok then: Nevermind!


17 posted on 03/26/2005 12:50:35 AM PST by Brimack34
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To: america-rules
I'd rather give Pakistan 3 bil of aid then Egypt or Turkey !

FYI: India is not our friend. They vote every time against the uSA at the uN.
---Yes but at least we never organised, coordinated and funded jihadis flying aeroplanes into your buildings unlike those whome your country is arming with weaponry.

As for voiting against the US at the UN, we needed to do something to buy the Soviet veto at a time when the US, China and the entire Muslim world  ganged up against India at the UN ( that was the time the US was pally with China and the Islamic world, now things are a bit different of course and we all know why ;) ). We did what we needed to do and we did nothing wrong.


18 posted on 03/26/2005 1:00:12 AM PST by Gengis Khan ("There is no glory in incomplete action." -- Gengis Khan)
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To: Gengis Khan

I hope we have them fitted with GPS trackers.


19 posted on 03/26/2005 1:04:17 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: Gengis Khan

Hey, its capitalism. We'll just have to deal with them when they attack us or our allies.


20 posted on 03/26/2005 1:06:32 AM PST by taxesareforever
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