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When Did Michael Shiavo First Start Trying to Kill Terri?
http://www.bannerofliberty.com/BOL-05MQC/3-23-2005.1.html ^ | March 23, 2005 | By: Mary Mostert

Posted on 03/26/2005 1:00:05 PM PST by BellStar

Because I try to track down facts before I write about a subject, I have not written about Terri Shiavo and the battle over her condition. What actually happened to Terri back in 1990 that caused her to be the topic of world conversation today? Before we decide to permanently dispose of her, shouldn’t we first find out how she got into this predicament?

Well, she collapsed, we are told by her husband Michael, in 1990 and was taken to the hospital . Some stories say she had a heart attack. Other stories, including a medical report by Dr. William Hammesfahr, a world-reknowned neurologist, totally refute any heart attack. Hammesfahr reported:

“Ms Schiavo was in her usual state of good health until 2/25/90, when her husband reported that he was awakened from sleep approximately 6 Am by her falling. He reports that she was unresponsive. "Paramedics were called, and aggressive resuscitation was performed with 7 defibrillations en route. “In the Emergency Room, a possible diagnosis of heart attack was briefly entertained, but then dismissed after blood chemistries and serial EKG's did not show evidence of a heart attack.”

Some reports guess that she collapsed due to an effort to lose weight – although, she was not at the time overweight. Hammesfahr’s report stated:

“The patient had a difficult hospital course with the development of poorly controlled seizures and prolonged coma state requiring, for a time, ventilator support. However, the staff noted improvement, and it was recommended by several physicians that she be discharged to an intensive rehabilitation center.” In 1992, Michael Shiavo sued for malpractice and won over a $1 million. He was personally awarded $300,000 for his “loss” and $700,000 for Terri’s rehabilitation and care for the rest of her natural life. However, the therapy, after the award, was not approved by Michael Shiavo and she was confined to a nursing home after the settlement.

It was after the settlement that Michael first claimed that Terri had previously stated that she didn’t want to be kept alive by artificial means — a statement he never mentioned during the malpractice trial. He has never produced any written proof that Terri said that.

Beginning almost immediately after receiving the malpractice funds, Michael Shiavo, as Terri’s legal guardian, began to refuse approval for ANY therapy or rehabilitation efforts and she has been confined to bed.

Since 1995, Michael Schiavo has lived openly with a girlfriend, Jodi Centonze, with whom he has two children, while remaining legally married to Terri, as well as being her legal her guardian.

In 1998, Michael Schiavo petitioned the court to have Terri’s feeding tube removed. In 2003, Michael Schiavo’s attorneys reported that the trust fund was down to $50,000, with more than $430,000 going to “pay for court costs associated with her husband’s legal battle to remove his wife’s feeding tube.” Meanwhile, Medicaid helps to pay Terri’s $5,000-a-month nursing costs at a hospice in Pinellas Park, Florida. 13

During this time period, Terri’s parents have attempted to gain guardianship over their daughter. During the legal battles that have ensued, in 2003 a a deposition was taken from Dr. William Campbell Walker, a radiologist, concerning a bone scan the hospital did on Terri in 1991. That bone scan revealed what Dr. Walker reported at the time as “compression fracture in the 19 vertebral body of the spine.”

For seven years as Terri has been consistently denied rehabilitation treatment that, according to several doctors, would have significantly improved her chances of recovery, Michael spent her money awarded for her therapy on lawyers trying to get her starved to death. Several doctors pointed out, including Dr. Hammesfahr, that Terri not only CAN swallow on her own, but frequently DOES swallow and pictures shown clearly indicate, as Hammesfahr and other testify, that she can and does respond to voice commands and particularly to her parents.

This would indicate that she is NOT in what the State of Florida defines as a “vegetative” state. It also makes me wonder, now that the feeding tube is removed, if any effort to help her swallow water or food is being made today, or whether under the court order spoon feeding also has been outlawed? Terri's parents, if they just came and got her and took her home, I guess would be arrested for kidnapping under Florida's legal system.

At this point, the legal system of Florida has, in the words of one legal observer, created the “framework for legal euthanasia.” Of course, euthanasia is technically the practice of killing someone painlessly because they prefer death to life for whatever reason. I would not classify starvation as a “painless” way to die.

Dr. Hammesfahr stated in his report:

“In the spring of 2000, three physicians, including Dr. Jay Carpenter, who is a former Chief of Medicine at Morton Plant Hospital, filed affidavits after observing Ms. Schiavo. All three physicians stated that it is visually apparent that Ms Schiavo is able to swallow and, in fact, does swallow her own saliva. “The patient continued with no physical therapy, communication or speech therapy, or routine medical screening evaluations and treatment such as dental care, mammography, gynecological exams or pap smears during this time."

Under these conditions and questions, it would appear to me that Terri SHOULD have a totally different guardian, such as her parents, until some questions are answered about the spinal and other injuries that appeared on her bone scan a decade ago. Why is it that a man who clearly wants his wife dead, cannot explain how she actually got into the state she is in, or produce ANY proof, other than his unsubstantiated words, that she would want to die, is being unquestioningly defended by the Florida courts?

Increasingly, it appears to me, that Terri would have gotten better care had her husband never won that malpractice suit and been given $1 million to spend – much of it on lawyers to legally kill off his wife.

It all makes me wonder just when Michael Schiavo made his first effort to kill Terri? Was it before or after she ended up in the hospital with an unexplained problem that put her in a coma?


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What indeed actually happened to Terri back in 1990!!!!!!!
1 posted on 03/26/2005 1:00:05 PM PST by BellStar
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To: TigersEye; sgtbono2002

Some interesting talking points.


3 posted on 03/26/2005 1:07:10 PM PST by BellStar ("A human being, not a vegetable, is slowly dying")
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To: BellStar

Very interesting, clarifies a number of things.


4 posted on 03/26/2005 1:09:17 PM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: BellStar

Evidence that she is being murdered under the false predicate of PVS. A good number of neurologists conclude she is not in PVS, but M. Shiavo death judge Greer won't allow any tests for the last 9 years.

It's murder.


6 posted on 03/26/2005 1:11:58 PM PST by tomahawk (If we can't stand for life, what can we stand for?)
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To: BellStar
Other stories, including a medical report by Dr. William Hammesfahr, a world-reknowned neurologist, totally refute any heart attack. Hammesfahr reported:

Actually, this should be "Dr. William Hammesfahr, a world-reknowned quack and huckster".

7 posted on 03/26/2005 1:12:17 PM PST by skip_intro
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To: zoomie2
Yikes! Wow! Poor Terri!
8 posted on 03/26/2005 1:12:20 PM PST by BellStar ("A human being, not a vegetable, is slowly dying")
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To: BellStar

In 1994 when he first asked the doctors to NOT treat her for a (possibly fatal) infection.


9 posted on 03/26/2005 1:12:27 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: BellStar

It all makes me wonder just when Michael Schiavo made his first effort to kill Terri? Was it before or after she ended up in the hospital with an unexplained problem that put her in a coma?


YOUR ARE MAKING ALLEGATIONS YOU CAN NOT BACK UP. THIS IS THE WORST KIND OF SLANDER.

IT IS LIKE ME SAYING THAT MY NEIGHBOR IS HAVING AN AFFAIR AND I HAVE NO EVIDENCE.

YOU PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO GET A LIVE.

REMINDS ME OF THE 2ND GRADE STORY I READ IN GRADE SCHOOL. IT WAS ABOUT AN OLD INDIAN SQUAW WHO WAS A BURDEN ON THE FAMILY UNIT. SHE KNEW THAT OTHER MEMBERS HAD TO TAKE CARE OF HER AND THIS WAS NOT RIGHT. DURING A SEVERE SNOW STORY THE OLD INDIAN SQUAW WALKING OUT INTO THE BLIZZARD NEVER TO BE SEEN AGAIN. THE TEACHER ASK ME WHAT THAT MET? I HAD NO GOOD ANSWER AS YOUNG LIBERAL STUDENT. TODAY AS A OLDER MATURE CONSERVATIVE ADULT UNDERSTAND. WHEN WE ARE NO LONGER A BLESSING AND ADDING VALUE TO OUR SOCIETY IT IS TIME TO MOVE ON TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF LIVING IN PEACE.

IF YOU WOULD GET OFF TERRI BACK SHE WOULD DIE IN PEACE WITH PEACE IN HER HEART. AS LONG AS YOU ARE SPENDING SOMEONE ELSE MONEY, AND BURDENING SOMEONE ELSE TO CARE FOR THIS WOMAN YOU RUN YOUR MOUTH.

GET A LIFE. SIX BILLION SOLES ON THIS EARTH, MILLIONS DIE EVERY YEAR FROM STARVATION, DISEASE, HIV, ETC.

THIS IS ALL I AM GOING TO SAY ABOUT THE MATTER SO FORGET SPAMMING ME.


10 posted on 03/26/2005 1:13:11 PM PST by CHICAGOFARMER (Concealed Carry)
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To: skip_intro

Dr. Hammesfahr was nominated for the Nobel Prize for his work in Medicine and Physiology in 1999. The Nomination was for work started in 1994. In 2000, this work resulted in approval for the first patent in history granted for the treatment of neurological diseases including coma, stroke, brain injury, cerebral palsy, hypoxic injuries and other neurovascular disorders with medications that restore blood flow to the brain. It was extended to treat successfully disabilities including ADD, ADHD, Dyslexia, Tourette's and Autism as well as behaviorally and emotionally disturbed children, seizures and severe migraines.


11 posted on 03/26/2005 1:14:38 PM PST by BellStar ("A human being, not a vegetable, is slowly dying")
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To: BellStar

The article's author did not investigate enough prior to writing. Unfortunately she (purposely?) left out the basis for the malpractice suit (which must have been affirmed, since there was indeed a hefty award to MS).

The malpractice suit was based upon the *fact* that the doctors who had been treating Terri Schiavo had not appropriately treated her for her bulimia.

MS was not the only one who substantiated that claim, the Schindlers were complicit (i.e., supported him in this suit).

The doctors and their insurance company were found liable (and I don't necessarily agree with that, either, because that is ascribing to the doctors responsibility for Terri's personal bulimia, treatable or not), hence the award. The Schindlers were upset that MS didn't *share* the $$ with them.

That's when the real mess began.

Consider what portion of the $350,000 went to the attorneys for Schiavo and Schindler, as well as previous care for Terri Schiavo. Consider, too, that the care in a hospice can be as low as $30K a year, and up to nearly $100K A YEAR!

If you want to read another view point, don't just read writing by and for Terri Schiavo and her family. Read both sides, openly, and you may find differing information and opinions.


12 posted on 03/26/2005 1:16:14 PM PST by thinkingman129 (questioning clears the way to understanding.)
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To: BellStar

There are no words to describe the horror of what I am seeing on my tv. How is this being allowed to happen in my America?

MS attorney on tv just a little bit ago was one of the most sickest things I have ever witnessed. And the kicker was when he said that the politicians have backed off this because of the polls. The politician best ask themselves if those idiots taking that poll actually VOTE on election day. People will lose careers over this.


13 posted on 03/26/2005 1:16:47 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (Get or stay out of Florida, you may hurt yourself on vacation and then the state will murder you.)
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To: Matthew316

In other words, use any tactic available to achieve the result you want. Ignore principle. The ends justify the means.

Randall Terry is the "Michael Moore" of the Republican party. In other words -- a repellant demogogue.


14 posted on 03/26/2005 1:17:22 PM PST by Dennis Mosher
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To: FreedomCalls

Wasn't it 1993 when he posted the DNR order on her chart? As in, almost immediately after he got the checks from the malpractice suit in which he tearily promised to care for her for the rest of her life?


15 posted on 03/26/2005 1:17:37 PM PST by thoughtomator
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To: BellStar

Hammersfahr was never nominated for the Nobel Prize by any means recognized by the Nobel committee. There was just a letter from his congressman. He has published no scholarly research and peer review of his methods is skeptical of his claims. He has faced discipline in Florida for making unfounded claims for his methods.


16 posted on 03/26/2005 1:20:48 PM PST by mak5
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To: writer33; blackbart.223; speedy; HitmanNY; NYTexan; bitt; Stellar Dendrite; Glenn; Lokibob; ...

Please ping your lists.


17 posted on 03/26/2005 1:20:56 PM PST by BellStar ("A human being, not a vegetable, is slowly dying")
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To: BellStar

If this sad case runs it's apparent course, Jeb Bush should convene a grand jury for the purpose of indicting the Judge and Michael Shiavo for murder.


18 posted on 03/26/2005 1:22:56 PM PST by Wycowboy
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To: oremus

Ping Pres Bush.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1371412/posts


20 posted on 03/26/2005 1:24:12 PM PST by BellStar ("A human being, not a vegetable, is slowly dying")
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To: BellStar
Terri fits the profile of the battered wife perfectly. An autopsy is needed to document the long term injuries.

The murderer Michael plans to hide the evidence, ordering an immediate cremation, with her ashes to be buried in the backwoods of Pennsylvania.

21 posted on 03/26/2005 1:25:01 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: BellStar
Dr. Hammesfhar was nominated for NOTHING. You could check it out on the Nobel Organization's web site, nobelprize.org, if you're interested. He's a liar and a fraud, and I wouldn't let this quack near a sick pet goldfish, let alone a human being.
22 posted on 03/26/2005 1:25:34 PM PST by skip_intro
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To: BellStar

Michael Shiavo's just been trying to finish off what he attempted to do in 1990.

23 posted on 03/26/2005 1:26:05 PM PST by Fintan (Someday we'll look back on this moment and plow into a parked car.)
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To: thoughtomator

Michael "remembered" after having a feeding tube in Terri for EIGHT YEARS, that she "said" "no tubes" while watching a TV show.


24 posted on 03/26/2005 1:27:27 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: mak5

Calm down. What about Dr. Cheshire, from Mayo.....is he a fraud too?


25 posted on 03/26/2005 1:27:27 PM PST by chgomac
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To: CHICAGOFARMER

You been sniffing methane or something? What's with the shouting? What's with the hyperbole? Better stay out of the barn for awhile.


27 posted on 03/26/2005 1:30:01 PM PST by Wycowboy
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To: thinkingman129
>> (which must have been affirmed, since there was indeed a hefty award to MS)

Don't think so. These suits are often settled on a least-cost basis instead of on the merits of the case. Nothing can be inferred, but the best bet is that the insurance company said, "Take the cheapest way out."

28 posted on 03/26/2005 1:30:28 PM PST by T'wit (Liberals had better stop preaching about quality of life and start worrying about quality of death)
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
LOL...I usually ignore post with all caps, but never again.

I HAD NO GOOD ANSWER AS YOUNG LIBERAL STUDENT. TODAY AS A OLDER MATURE CONSERVATIVE ADULT UNDERSTAND. WHEN WE ARE NO LONGER A BLESSING AND ADDING VALUE TO OUR SOCIETY IT IS TIME TO MOVE ON

29 posted on 03/26/2005 1:30:43 PM PST by Krodg (If the Clintons don't kill you, their judicial appointments will.)
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To: BellStar
I'm convinced that Michael has some financial windfall as a result of becoming a widower. He either as a book offer type thing or a promise of cash from the funder of care for Terri's life. He gets a big pay day when she does BUT only if they are still married.

The neocommunists and other America haters are in this as well to build the cause for the abolition of the death penalty. They don't care about the individuals so they have no problem sacrificing Terri for their cause. After Terri dies, they will chide the Christians and Americans for NOT protesting as hard for opposing the execution of Pedro the Axe Murderer.

30 posted on 03/26/2005 1:33:08 PM PST by Tacis ( SEAL THE FRIGGEN BORDER!!!)
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To: skip_intro
I googled Dr. Hammesfahr and DU thinks he is a fraud.
So you are in great company.:)
31 posted on 03/26/2005 1:35:00 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (When you compromise with evil, evil wins. AYN RAND)
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To: BellStar

bookmarking.


32 posted on 03/26/2005 1:35:21 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Dennis Mosher

I agree and we had a thread last night just about that issue....regardless how one feels about what is happening, taking the law into our own hands because we dont' like the outcome or results is emotional insanity...we can change the laws but what I've heard from some on FR, they would storm the castle and circumvent the courts and the law and that is where I draw the line....I would ask them who stand on their "principles", would you be so accepting of this tactic the first time a Dem or liberal use it as let's say Mayor Newsome did by marrying gays in SF........hell, I remember the uproar here and how he had no right to break the law.....seems like we can't justify our anarchy and not anothers....


33 posted on 03/26/2005 1:35:49 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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"WHEN WE ARE NO LONGER A BLESSING AND ADDING VALUE TO OUR SOCIETY IT IS TIME TO MOVE ON TO A HIGHER LEVEL"

Poor useless eaters!

34 posted on 03/26/2005 1:36:42 PM PST by BellStar ("A human being, not a vegetable, is slowly dying")
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
YOUR ARE MAKING ALLEGATIONS YOU CAN NOT BACK UP. THIS IS THE WORST KIND OF SLANDER

I'm sure that Hubby is anxious for a autopsy to be held on Teri.

An autopsy (along with the release of all of her medical and police records) will go a long way in determining the root cause of Teri's condition and the care she received.

Riiiiight!

35 posted on 03/26/2005 1:37:08 PM PST by Mike Darancette (MESOCONS FOR RICE '08)
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To: skip_intro

I have also heard from another Neurologist that this guy is a fake so to speak and not looked up to much in that specialized community........


36 posted on 03/26/2005 1:37:39 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: BellStar
That would be Dr. Michael Hfuhruhurr
37 posted on 03/26/2005 1:39:53 PM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: BellStar
>>When Did Michael Shiavo First Start Trying to Kill Terri?

the morning after a huge fight over an $80 hairstyle.

Roughly 35 minutes after he returned home, possibly drunk, from closing the restaurant/bar on a Saturday night/Sunday morning: February 25th, 1990 (give or take 30 minutes) IMO.

39 posted on 03/26/2005 1:43:12 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: Matthew316
The issue was, and always will be, that the GUARDIAN of Terri is conflicted, incompetent, an alleged wife abuser, an alleged adulterer, an alleged sociopath who potentially engaged in criminal activity- He is the Target.

I think you can drop the 'alleged' qualifier on the adulterer point. He has been living with his fiancee for years and has fathered two children by her.

40 posted on 03/26/2005 1:44:46 PM PST by Bob
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To: Matthew316

dont know......but at least you are polite unlike some here who are so emotion filled they are throwin invective and Nazi crap around like it was DU.......anyway, to answer your question.....don't know, but I think Michael should have given up custody a long time ago......I think he actually did alot for her early on, and now, well, he should have just moved on and given her back to the parents.....that is my opinion of him....he has not endured himself with many......


41 posted on 03/26/2005 1:47:25 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
Or HereTubePeople!
42 posted on 03/26/2005 1:47:58 PM PST by BellStar ("A human being, not a vegetable, is slowly dying")
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To: Krodg

I HAD NO GOOD ANSWER AS YOUNG LIBERAL STUDENT. TODAY AS A OLDER MATURE CONSERVATIVE ADULT UNDERSTAND. WHEN WE ARE NO LONGER A BLESSING AND ADDING VALUE TO OUR SOCIETY IT IS TIME TO MOVE ON


God didn't put us here primarily to add value to our society but for His pleasure and glory. He can move us on when He wants feeding tube or no.


43 posted on 03/26/2005 1:50:49 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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he has not endured himself with many"Most especially not the

Tube People!

45 posted on 03/26/2005 1:51:38 PM PST by BellStar ("A human being, not a vegetable, is slowly dying")
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To: CHICAGOFARMER

I DRIVE A DODGE STRATUS!!!!!


46 posted on 03/26/2005 1:53:00 PM PST by Texas Federalist (If you get in bed with the government, you'll get more than a good night's sleep." R. Reagan)
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To: chgomac

Crandon is the one that gets me.Dr.Death himself.


47 posted on 03/26/2005 1:55:04 PM PST by smoothsailing (Eagles Up !!)
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To: FormerACLUmember
>> Terri fits the profile of the battered wife perfectly. An autopsy is needed to document the long term injuries.
>> The murderer Michael plans to hide the evidence, ordering an immediate cremation...

I'm sure you are RIGHT.

But look what CBS 60 minutes is preparing to air tomorrow to refute that...


48 posted on 03/26/2005 1:55:21 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: CHICAGOFARMER

I'M A DIVISION MANAGER!!!! I CAN DO 100 PUSH UPS IN TWENTY MINUTES!!!


49 posted on 03/26/2005 1:56:00 PM PST by Texas Federalist (If you get in bed with the government, you'll get more than a good night's sleep." R. Reagan)
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