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Nazis Used Starvation to Kill
newsmax.com ^ | Saturday, March 26, 2005 6:22 p.m. EST

Posted on 03/26/2005 4:23:47 PM PST by InvisibleChurch

Saturday, March 26, 2005 6:22 p.m. EST Nazis Used Starvation to Kill

Confounding all conventional wisdom and human experience, many liberal groups and even some medical experts have argued for Terri Schiavo’s death.

They claim that starvation and dehydration is not painful or discomforting for her or anyone undergoing the experience.

In fact, they allege that such victims begin to experience "euphoria” as the victims draw close to death. If such claims are true, we may have to rewrite the history of such notorious events as the Holocaust – where starvation was the key process by which millions died and were later placed in crematoriums.

The internationally-accepted Geneva Convention – which identifies starvation as a war crime – also will have to be rewritten. Ditto for many statements made by reputable organizations – many of them liberal, who have condemned the practice for decades.

Strange Bedfellows

Remember that statement about politics making strange bedfellows? Perhaps such is the case with liberal activists who want Terri to die from starvation and the Nazis who killed 13 million people.

As it turns out, starvation was the primary means of killing unwanted peoples.

Shortly after World War II, a U.S. congressional committee investigated the Nazi Holocaust and found that starvation was the main instrument of torture in the concentration camps.

The Committee notes the prisoners' daily diet "consisted generally of about one-half of a pound of black bread per day and a bowl of watery soup for noon and night, and not always that."

The report continued, "Notwithstanding the deliberate starvation program inflicted upon these prisoners by lack of adequate food, we found no evidence that the people of Germany as a whole were suffering from any lack of sufficient food or clothing. The contrast was so striking that the only conclusion which we could reach was that the starvation of the inmates of these camps was deliberate."

If we believe the New York Times, what’s so bad about the Nazi’s starvation tactic?

A Times article relating to Schiavo’s death cited several "experts” who offered the new view on starvation.

"From the data that is available, it is not a horrific thing at all," Dr. Linda Emanuel, the founder of the Education for Physicians in End-of-Life Care Project at Northwestern University, told the New York Times.

The Times also cites Dr. Sean Morrison, a professor of geriatrics and palliative care at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, who insists that starvation victims "generally slip into a peaceful coma."

"It's very quiet, it's very dignified - it's very gentle," he adds.

Despite the Times’ desire to turn the truth upside down, the facts speak for themselves:

To begin with, there is the long standing and internationally accepted Geneva Convention: "The prohibition to starve civilians as a ‘method of warfare’ is included in Article 54 of Protocol I and Article 14 of Protocol II."

According to the International Criminal Court, starvation as a means of killing is a war crime. The Court noted: "Intentionally using starvation of civilians as a method of warfare by depriving them of objects indispensable to their survival, including willfully impeding relief supplies as provided for under the Geneva Conventions' is a serious violation of the laws and customs of war [52]."

The liberal human rights organization, Amnesty International, has long cited starvation as inhumane. For example, in the aftermath of the Vietnam War, the group claimed that "scores of civilian deaths, predominantly among children, from starvation and injuries [were] sustained during the conflict." Amnesty International stated at the time that it "condemns in the strongest terms the use of starvation as a weapon of war against civilians as a clear and serious violation of Geneva Conventions that Laos has ratified."

Amnesty International also blasted North Korea after the UN reported that some 2 million North Koreans have died from starvation, adding that in total, 50 percent of the population doesn't have enough to eat.

Work And Progress, a liberal Web site, was critical of U.S. involvement in Afghanistan in 2001, and even claimed the U.S. military action there had caused up to 7.5 million Afghans to be threatened with starvation. The site went on to note: "Starvation is, quite literally, torturous. And the equation will seem just about right to many people: the atrocity that the U.S. government is willing to subject a handful of people to on U.S. soil, it is willing to subject millions to in some far off land."

In 2001, Rep. Eliot Engel, D-N.Y., a member of the Congressional Human Rights Caucus, offered up House Resolution 102, backed by three other lawmakers, noting that during World War II, the Axis Powers – Germany, Italy and Japan – noting that many of the 18,745 American soldiers captured during the war "were subjected to barbaric prison conditions and endured torture, starvation, and disease." The treatment of American POWs "violated international human rights principles," said the resolution.

In a report by the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights, regarding the "Definition of the Right to Food," the commission recommended "the right to food and nutrition was a human right." The commission also advocated "the right to food in emergency situations" should "be taken into account," to "include the obligation of states to grant access to impartial humanitarian organizations to provide food aid and other humanitarian assistance."

The New York Times may well be remembered as the newspaper that was most outraged over photos of Iraqi terrorist suspects being mistreated by U.S. soldiers at Abu Ghraib prison – but claimed that starvation was a benevolent way to die.

Of course, if the Times is right - and starvation causes "little discomfort" - the paper may have uncovered a valuable new tool in the war on terror.

One wonders how the Old Gray Lady would react if U.S. interrogators began to starve terrorist suspects in a bid to extract information.


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1 posted on 03/26/2005 4:23:47 PM PST by InvisibleChurch
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To: InvisibleChurch

It is exactly Nazi-like.

Incomprehensible that some deny the similarity.


2 posted on 03/26/2005 4:25:59 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: k2blader
HEALTHFUL DRINKS AND WARM MEALS SINCE THE ORDER-TO-MURDER-AN-INVALID BY JUDGE GREER
Murderer-At-Will Judge Greer 37
......................... Terri Shiavo 0
.......................... Lee Malvo 28
.......................... Scott Peterson 27


  
SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer
Adolf Eichmann
 
Nazi bureaucrat
Author of the Final Solution
  
Pinellas County District
Judgenfuhrer George Greer
 
American bureaucrat
"Author" of 'THERESA MARIE SCHINDLER SCHIAVO, incapacitated ex rel, Robert Schindler and Mary Schindler, her parents and next friends, versus MICHAEL SCHIAVO, as guardian of the person of Theresa Marie Schindler Schiavo, incapacitated, JUDGE GEORGE W. GREER, THE HOSPICE OF THE FLORIDA SUNCOAST, INC. leading to slow death by dehydration and starvation of a human being, in the Greer-Way
  
Their Common Legacy:
 
Torture, Starvation and
Death


'Thou shall not murder'

Exd 20:13

'Thou shall not murder'

Deu 5:17


Judgenfuhrer Greer: "Burn the 'b&tch'. Torture her parents. Degrade America.
Wow. With a flick of my pen I am bigger than the President and ...."

3 posted on 03/26/2005 4:28:14 PM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: k2blader

the democrats ARE the party of inclusion ... they include Stalinist Communists, Nazis and Fascists


4 posted on 03/26/2005 4:28:20 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (Look! Jimmy Carter! History's greatest monster!)
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To: InvisibleChurch

When speaking of starvation as a tool, it is not right to pass Ukraine, Kuban and other similar places of organized famine in silence. Communist practice predates Nazis', and was more barbarous.


5 posted on 03/26/2005 4:29:00 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Diogenesis

LOL! You guys are nuts. The right wing meltdown continues.


6 posted on 03/26/2005 4:30:22 PM PST by zarf
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To: InvisibleChurch

The removal of a nutrition and hydration tube, wrote Judge Lynch of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court, would likely create some or all of the following effects before death.

The mouth would dry out and become caked or coated with thick material.
The lips would become parched and cracked.
The tongue would swell, and might crack.
The eyes would recede back into their orbits and the cheeks would become hollow.
The lining of the nose might crack and cause the nose to bleed.
The skin would hang loose on the body and become dry and scaly.
The urine would become highly concentrated, leading to burning of the bladder.
The lining of the stomach would dry out and the sufferer would experience dry heaves and vomiting.
The body temperature would become very high.
The brain cells would dry out, causing convulsions.
The respiratory tract would dry out, and the thick secretions that would
result could plug the lungs and cause death.
At some point within five days to three weeks the major organs, including the lungs, heart, and brain, would give out and the patient would die.

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/mar/05032308.html


7 posted on 03/26/2005 4:30:24 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: InvisibleChurch
USELESS EATERS

Disability as Genocidal Marker in Nazi Germany

The methods used for mass extermination in the Nazi death camps originated and were perfected in earlier use against people with physical, emotional, and intellectual disabilities. Developed from the article by Dr. Mark Mostert, this website describes the historical context of attitudes toward people with disabilities in Germany and how this context produced mass murder of people with disabilities prior to and during the early years of World War II.

8 posted on 03/26/2005 4:31:33 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: GSlob
PRC Terrorists demonstrating relative 'humanity' compared to vile, odious, Nazi-like Pinellas County District Judgenfuhrer George Greer

China: Execution of Tibetan Prisoners (photos, warning: gruesome)

9 posted on 03/26/2005 4:31:43 PM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Good read, nicely argued. It has been a long time since I have relegated the NYTs exclusively to packing material. I would bet that should they one day screw up and invert the printing; it would be weeks before anyone noticed.


10 posted on 03/26/2005 4:32:04 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: zarf
LOL! You guys are nuts. The right wing meltdown continues.

Well, zarf, if you think that being starved and dehydrated to death is something not to be concerned with, then I guess you didn't care much for Live-Aid and other famine relief efforts. After all, according to your liberal friends when they talk about Terri Schiavo, starvation is a very peaceful pleasant way to go.

11 posted on 03/26/2005 4:32:59 PM PST by Numbers Guy
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To: zarf

Makes it all more palatable for people such as yourself when we use our courts to legitimize our atrocities does it not?


12 posted on 03/26/2005 4:33:02 PM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Death by starvation instead of gas chamber was the penalty for people trying to escape Auschwitz


13 posted on 03/26/2005 4:34:22 PM PST by Truth666 (THE PASSION OF THERESA MARIA SCHINDLER ON HOLY FRIDAY 2005)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Nazis Used Starvation to Kill

They still do.

*************

(insert picture #1 of woman being shot in head by Taliban)

(insert picture #2 of judge jerking feeding tube from Terry)

What's the difference between picture #1 and picture #2?

14 posted on 03/26/2005 4:35:42 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Here come da king, er, judge!)
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Ahh, yes Nazi's arguement has been raised. Heil tin foil hats.


15 posted on 03/26/2005 4:36:24 PM PST by Oystir
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To: Truth666
Death by starvation instead of gas chamber was the penalty for people trying to escape Auschwitz

Its a shame how quickly people forget.
16 posted on 03/26/2005 4:36:26 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: InvisibleChurch
DEMOCRATS ELECT GAY-FRIENDLY DEAN AS CHAIRMAN

* * *

Democrats are not for gay marriage, but "we are the party that has always believed in equal rights under the law for all people," he said.

"We are the party of moral values," Dean said. "There is nothing moral about cutting 300 million dollars that is used to feed starving children."

17 posted on 03/26/2005 4:37:39 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: zarf

Zieg Heil, Adolf! Who cares if unother "useless feeder" is killed on a judge's order? It was lawful, ya? So, what is the problem? Just like in the old days, ya Fritz? "Life unworthy of life," I think you used to call it, before killing another "useless feeder."


18 posted on 03/26/2005 4:37:50 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: zarf

You left wingers are part of the reason we're having these problems.


19 posted on 03/26/2005 4:38:19 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: Oystir
Ahh, yes Nazi's arguement has been raised.

Please share, what do you see as a point of distinction?
20 posted on 03/26/2005 4:38:32 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: zarf

Laughing about a woman being slowly dehydrated to death.

And you wonder what's "wrong" with *us*???


21 posted on 03/26/2005 4:39:09 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Truth666

Judgenfuhrer Greer: "I am fully aware that death by starvation instead of gas chamber
WAS the penalty for people trying to escape Auschwitz.
It's back. For anyone who dares go over my Imperial head.
If you dare tell anyone else about this, my black-robed brethren Mullahs will have
both you and your family murdered by starvation in isolation, in the Pinellas County, Florida way ."

22 posted on 03/26/2005 4:39:14 PM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: zarf
"LOL! You guys are nuts. The right wing meltdown continues. "

Yeah starvation's a real riot isn't it?

23 posted on 03/26/2005 4:39:17 PM PST by Enterprise (Abortion and "euthanasia" - the twin destroyers of the Democrat Party.)
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To: Numbers Guy
You know nothing of this case. It has been litigated into the ground and not ONE court has ruled in favor of the parents. Yes, the courts have seen the facts and it's over.

It's the husbands decision...leave it at that.

You guys are no different than the meatheads from MoveON.org: you will self-destruct and destroy any chance that your agenda will make further gains in the political arena.

It's Christians Gone Wild I tell ya!!

24 posted on 03/26/2005 4:39:27 PM PST by zarf
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To: InvisibleChurch

I agree!

What makes America great is NOT it's system of government with the three equal branches, NOT that it is a democracy, but that its people have been CHRISTIAN, with values taught in Scripture.

We now are a nation with chuches that don't even believe the Bible is the inerrant Word of God. We are secular, spitting in the face of God, encouraging wht He says is wrong, discouraging what He wants, ignoring all He has for us, and we could easily end up like any awful country or government.

How to stop or avoid that? Each individual must examine the evidence for the resurrection of Christ. If it is true, then His claims are true, that He is the incarnate God--we should each personally follow Him! He can heal our land and bring hope and a future back to our lives.

The Christian church is not a government, but it does a


25 posted on 03/26/2005 4:39:45 PM PST by gentlestrength (Lord, strengthen Terri and her family right now)
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To: zarf

Unlike DUh, where I imagine you are a big hit, you will not be booted from the fray. Please tell me how the party of compassion, the children, of sensitivity can justify judicial murder?


26 posted on 03/26/2005 4:40:38 PM PST by Jacquerie (Democrats soil the institutions they control)
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To: zarf

BTW, why don't you just admit that for you this is more about opposing Christianity than anything else. Your posting history reveals that bias.


27 posted on 03/26/2005 4:40:42 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Diogenesis

Your pictorial link needs to be viewed by everyone. The communist chinese are antithetical to everything that the United States stands for. Always low prices, Always Wal*Mart.


28 posted on 03/26/2005 4:40:54 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Diogenesis

Do you happen to have starvation photos from China "great leap forward"? Quite a few million starved then, IIRC. They would be more relevant; what you posted is non-sequitur.


29 posted on 03/26/2005 4:41:03 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Enterprise; zarf
this is what happens when water is withheld.

Lisa McPherson Autopsy Photos

30 posted on 03/26/2005 4:41:44 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Enterprise
It's over. Your hype and hysteria is counter productive.

If you think America is now equivalent to Nazi Germany then pack your bags and move to a nicer country.

31 posted on 03/26/2005 4:41:44 PM PST by zarf
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To: zarf
Ya Fritz! All the good German judges agreed as well, when they signed "lawful" euthansaia orders for "life unworthy of life," as they called it.

Just click your boot heels, and throw out your right arm, and scream "Zieg Heil!"

You'll really feel much better.

32 posted on 03/26/2005 4:41:52 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: zarf

Hey Zarf, ever see someone die from starvation and dehydration? I have. The loved-one's last words, one day before death, were "shoot me". Now that's what I call a melt-down.


33 posted on 03/26/2005 4:42:13 PM PST by Melinda
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To: Enterprise

According to Felos, THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN.


34 posted on 03/26/2005 4:42:19 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: zarf
Yes, the courts have seen the facts and it's over.

For your edification, the "courts" other than Judge Greer's court have ruled on procedural grounds, not factual grounds.

It's the husbands decision...leave it at that.

But for which wife?

I notice, by the way, that you didn't respond to my question about famine. If starvation is such a peaceful wonderful death as you seem to think, then I would expect you to denounce famine relief efforts. So let's hear you live up to your rhetoric.

35 posted on 03/26/2005 4:42:53 PM PST by Numbers Guy
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To: ARCADIA

I don't think tin foil has a point of distinction but then I don't get a full signal.


36 posted on 03/26/2005 4:43:22 PM PST by Oystir
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To: Oystir
Why don't you refute something? Can't? Is Terri being starved by people with an agenda? The evidence suggests, yes. Is the euthanasia crowd actively wanting this here? Yes. Are they nazi like? Yes. C'mon, you can do better than name calling.

Is depriving someone of food and water part of the American ideal? Of course not. It's foreign evil.

37 posted on 03/26/2005 4:43:55 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: zarf

It's hardly over. But I'll just stay where I'm at. If no other reason than to be a thorn in your side.


38 posted on 03/26/2005 4:44:17 PM PST by Enterprise (Abortion and "euthanasia" - the twin destroyers of the Democrat Party.)
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To: zarf
If you think America is now equivalent to Nazi Germany then pack your bags and move to a nicer country.

And if you think that people opposed to a torturous death are the equivalent of the Taliban, then your own rhetoric would indicate it's time for you to find a new locale yourself.

39 posted on 03/26/2005 4:44:18 PM PST by Numbers Guy
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To: zarf
You are not only inaccurate. You are filled with ad hominems.

Go back to DU. Oh, I forgot. It's closed to this subject. ROTFLOL.

 

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40 posted on 03/26/2005 4:44:41 PM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: InvisibleChurch

"In fact, they allege that such victims begin to experience "euphoria” as the victims draw close to death."

Because endomorphins bombard your brain, just like when you're having an orgasm! Sounds great!


41 posted on 03/26/2005 4:44:50 PM PST by ladylib
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To: nicmarlo

Yes, according to Felos she's beautiful, peaceful. Man, what a monster!


42 posted on 03/26/2005 4:45:07 PM PST by Enterprise (Abortion and "euthanasia" - the twin destroyers of the Democrat Party.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Could an appeal be made that starving Terri violates the Geneva convention? Humanitarian organizations must be given access to provide food and water.


43 posted on 03/26/2005 4:45:11 PM PST by unlearner
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To: nicmarlo

A picture can say a thousand words...

This helps to illustrate why some of us are outraged.

Frankly, it's literally crazy to *not* be outraged.


44 posted on 03/26/2005 4:45:59 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: GSlob
When speaking of starvation as a tool, it is not right to pass Ukraine, Kuban and other similar places of organized famine in silence.

The potato famine in Ireland as well.

45 posted on 03/26/2005 4:46:27 PM PST by Freebird Forever
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To: Travis McGee

We have the courts to legitimize our atrocities.


46 posted on 03/26/2005 4:46:56 PM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: InvisibleChurch

if there was a big plate of food infront of Terri....would she be able to eat it on her own? Would she even know the food is there in the first place?


47 posted on 03/26/2005 4:47:45 PM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Enterprise

He's evil and disgusting.


48 posted on 03/26/2005 4:47:59 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: expatguy

According to Savage, the Nazis had that too.


49 posted on 03/26/2005 4:48:16 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: k2blader

I agree with everything you said.


50 posted on 03/26/2005 4:48:20 PM PST by nicmarlo
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