The Motive Becomes Chillingly Clear (Michael Schiavo)

RenewAmerica.us ^ | March 23, 2005 | Mary Mostert

[Burlem]

Terri does not have a lawyer, the lawyer is her parents.

[MizSterious]

"No one has said it was bliss full at all."

I have an Easter dinner to cook (and give thanks to the Almighty that we are blessed with the ability to eat it), so I can't address all of this--but this statement is patently false. Felos said that in an interview. I'll reserve my opinion of those people who agree with that ghoul for now. It's Easter.

[lonestar]

bttt

[avile]

1. did your uncle express that he wanted to go?
2. was your family in complete unanimity if he did not express himself?
3. if dr k. had been available would you have called him?

I have no problem with any of the three. Imy wife and I have been in the health care field for 20 years and have dealt with many chronic and dying patients. I have seen ventilators removed and overdoses of Morphine. I have never seen g-tubes pulled( i put them in) to starve someone- perhaps this is common in some states not others. I would rather have dr k. do it quickly than drag it out over 2 weeks.
However in the absence of 1 and 2 (which is in the TS) case I think we are going down a slippery slope . Obviously we can save SS and Medicare by euthanizing GOMERS , but I'm not there yet and I trust MS as much as scott peterson.
Can you imagine what SP's decision would be if Laci were in a debilitated state?

[Beeline40@aol.com]

Happy Easter to you and yours.

[maryz]

even so, why hospice?

That question's being asked all the time. To qualify for Medicare for a hospice stay, the patient's doctor is supposed to certify less than 6 months' life expectancy. (I guess it can be renewed should the patient not die.)

Two freepers posted stories yesterday involving family members in Florida hospices, though, who died far sooner than expected once admitted.

[Sweet_Sunflower29]

(Cheshire writes) “To enter the room of Terri Schiavo is nothing like entering the room of a patient who is comatose or brain-dead or in some neurological sense no longer there. As I looked at Terri, and she gazed directly back at me, I asked myself whether, if I were her attending physician, I could in good conscience withdraw her feeding and hydration. No, I could not. I could not withdraw life support if I were asked. I could not withhold life-sustaining nutrition and hydration from this beautiful lady whose face brightens in the presence of others.”

Why, oh why is this not allowed to be taken into consideration?

[avile]

obesity is also a relative preventaitve for osteoporosis

[texasbluebell]

Simply because the judge refuses to allow any info entered which does not agree with where this case was headed all along.

I think they've been using this to set precedents to further "mercy-killing" in Florida -- it can't be euthanasia, as that is supposed to be with the consent of the patient.

[iowamomforfreedom]

From this link: http://www.miami.edu/ethics2/schiavo/timeline.htm

July 29, 1993:
Schindlers attempt to remove Michael Schiavo as Terri Schiavo’s guardian; the court later dismisses the suit.

[Burlem]

I do not believe the president can get involved. He did what he legally could. To admonish him and for that matter Jeb Bush is unfair.
I believe with all my heart that Michael is at the center of Terris condition, I think he, and his creepy lawyer are guilty of actions or ignoring truth as in the case of Feos, who, by the way is an euthanasia advocate.
Our constitution has the 10th ammendment which is of course states rights. There are thousands of Terri's if the president and the governor set precedeent by getting more involved they would have to do the same for all.

Have you all seen Terri's web site?
http://www.terrisfight.org

[beyond the sea]

It's a good bet that those numerous reports from friends and family of Terri that she was thinking of divorcing him were true, and that he was going a little nuts not having the control over that thought of hers. His personality was not suited too well for being left by a woman!

I said this before on FR and a FReeper jumped on me for it, but I don't care --- with my 58 years of observation, I can look in his face and see the guilt and dread of a guy who knows what he did, and will always know that a great many people are looking at him like they'd look at O.J. He's not stupid, he knows he is disdained.

He better get an alias or two after Terri dies.

[avile]

also bulimia and anorexia are not the same thing.
a bulimic can become anorexic, but often despite eating less and vomiting they don't lose weight. I donot think she was anorexic at the time of her injury

[texasbluebell]

To qualify for Medicare for a hospice stay, the patient's doctor is supposed to certify less than 6 months' life expectancy.

Interestingly, someone posted a link somewhere recently to the original admission form to get Terri into that hospice. There was not even a doctor's signature on it to order the admission. Very strange.

[Beeline40@aol.com]

#1 No, it was not written down in a DNR or anything like that.

#2 No, not everyone agreed, but ultimately it was my aunt HIS SPOUSE, that made the final decision and most of us, nieces, nephews, children, agreed with her. They had 9 children and 20 grandchildren, of which some of them I would say approximately 8 or 9 did not agree with her.

#3 No, I dont believe my aunt would have gone to him at all. If there was no option for her, she would have accepted it.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Scott Peterson. To use him as an example, just is not on par with this case. By the way, in that case, the prosecution team was lucky to get a conviction in the first place. Dont get me wrong, I beleive with all my heart that he was responsible for her death. It is just the prosecution had very little evidence to convict and because Peterson was not a media darling, contributed to his conviction.

[Jrabbit]

LOL

You don't trust anyone that wants Terri to live.

[Beeline40@aol.com]

Funny, I dont see that at all. I see a man who is under a great deal of stress not guilt.

[Boiler Plate]

placemarker

[avile]

"This has absolutely nothing to do with Scott Peterson."

I disagree. I think what has made this story so compelling is the actions and behavior of MS- who is a HINO. If her "husband" struck the public as dudly-do right , the story would not hit the radar.(Yes some people might protest, but they would be the few that would still oppose someones wishes even if there was an explicit living will)

[BIGLOOK]

She was 23 years old at the time of the incident. Bulimia or self induced vomiting on a regular basis could easily be determined by her dentist. The bulimia argument is hearsay. Vomiting could be due to many causes, morning sickness and even stress and mental anguish.