Posted on 03/28/2005 5:03:23 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
If the Bible is not the word of God what method does God use to communicate his rules to us?
I believe He does it on a personal basis. To me this is evident by the fact that no one, throughout history, agrees....mainly because none of it can be proven.
Yahushua ha'Mashiach's death was arranged by the Sanhedran because he was a threat to the Temple system. They used Roman occupiers to carry out the execution maintaining He was a threat to civil order. Crucifixion was a Roman method of execution.
I can't answer that, except, that perhaps God doesn't act as we would call, logically. Perhaps, He is above our logic, and His standard is to address us each individually.
Maybe, it's just confusing to us?
Maybe, we haven't been around long enough, for that standard to be accepted? After all, we humans haven't really been around that long, when you reference our existence to the age of the earth, or even the galaxy. We may not be mature enough yet.
It seems sort of arrogant doesn't it, to expect to understand the creator of everything?
> Perhaps, He is above our logic, and His standard is to address us each individually<
The problem with that is how do I know he is addressing me.Some people claim it comes to them in a dream.That could just be the Mexican Food I had last night.
Peter was present at one of the 5 or 6 times the Bible records God speaking audibly yet he said the Bible was a more sure word than an audible voice.
2Pe 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
2Pe 1:18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
This was an eyewitness account from Peter.(James and John were also there)
and it goes on with a whole list of people who the law was made for. If you read earlier in chapter one, Paul tells Timothy to avoid genealogies and fables because they raise questions " rather than Godly edifying which is in faith". He also goes on to tell Timothy in verse 6 "From which some having swerved(swerved from love out of a pure heart and a good conscience and faith unfeigned)"have turned aside to vain jangling. Desiring to be teachers of the law; they understand neither what they say or nor whereof they affirm. But we know the law is good if a man use it lawfully;
Then it goes into verse 9 explaining who the law is for.
Was David righteous? He had the Ten and he broke the law by eating the shew bread which was not lawful. Even after sending a man to his death so he could take his wife God said he would have given her to him if he would have asked. Aside from that specific act of adultery he didn't have only one wife. God said he was a man after his own heart.
Noah passed out drunk naked in his tent so his kids could see him but God cursed his son who mocked him. God also saw him fit enough to be the only man saved, besides his sons, from the flood.
I will say this, its obvious what men see as righteous and what God sees are two different things and I will take Gods righteousness over mans any day. If you say you obey the Ten Commandments and break one you will be judged of all, not only that but if you are married to Jesus but live with Moses that makes you a whore and thats all there is to it.
The best bet would be repentance from trying to keep the Ten and asking God to change your heart to walk by faith like Jesus and to have mercy on your self righteousness. I did it and so will everyone.
Finally, the law was given to the Jews because of disobedience and the gentiles get the law for the same reason.
Is it possible for a righteous man to sin?
I imagine you would just know it, I'm sure God can figure out how to do that....unless He just doesn't have much to say to you. Perhaps to them, He does come in a dream..those people seem to believe it.
I think think those accounts could easily be questioned by some. It would be hard to prove it really happened....just as any communication with God is.
Are you open to the idea God can communicate through the Bible?
I believe that God can do anything, and that He probably has communicated through the Bible, and the Torah, the Quran, and many other writings, both religious and not, and in many other ways, I don't know about or understand.
For instance, you can be believing God and then something happens financially, maybe an unexpected bill that causes you to forget that Jesus made you rich when he became poor on the cross,and you go borrow the money, when God wants you to believe him for the money, and be unrighteous until God brings you to repentance. Then you are righteous again.
Consider what Paul writing by the Holy Ghost says in 1 Corinthians 15:55, 56,57 " Oh death where is your sting? O grave where is your victory? The sting of death is sin and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
What I am trying to say is this, if you concern yourself with keeping the law and break them, they judge you just like they judged the Israelites. If you come to the revelation that the law has been fulfilled and concern yourself with believing in the power that raised Jesus from the dead, God will show himself to you and make you clean by faith.
There is nothing in any book, that makes me believe they are anything other than books, written by men. I have read much, not all, of many religious tomes. I am not familiar enough with any of them, to quote or reference them.
There is much factual evidence of accuracy of events, in the bible. I question the parts that talk about miracles, resurrection, virgin birth, God speaking, angels appearing, etc.....those are the type of things I question in any book. There are many good lessons to be learned in all the religious writings.
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