Demand Schiavo Investigation: Sample Letter to Send to Medical Examiner

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons ^ | March 28, 2005 | Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

[eartotheground]

Jon R. Thogmartin, M.D., District Chief Medical Examiner 10900 Ulmerton Rd., Largo FL 33778 Telephone #. (727) 582-6800 Fax # (727) 582-6820 mailto:wpellan@co.pinellas.fl.us

Dear Dr. Thogmartin:

When Terri Schiavo dies, the potential exists that a crime will be covered up by her planned cremation without autopsy. That potential crime is NOT the issue at the center of the present controversy, but the yet unsubstantiated allegation that an assault led to her condition in the first place.

It has been reported in the press that Michael Schiavo intends to cremate Terri Schiavo immediately upon her death.

According to the Medical Examiner's department policy posted at: http://www.co.pinellas.fl.us/forensics/policy/policystatement.htm#CA , the medical examiner must approve or deny all such requests.

The attending physician in Terri Schiavo's case has a history of 5 NPDB reported malpractice cases. There is an open quesiton of what led to her original "event".

Please disallow the cremation until the medical examiner's office can perform an appropriate investigation and/or postmortem examination to determine both the immediate cause of death AND the proximate cause of death, including the search for any injuries from the past consistent with a potential crime.

Despite the currently accepted rationale for her initial “event”, evidence on postmortem examination may reveal that Terri Schiavo was the victim of a crime many years ago.

Judge Greer has not allowed an MRI or PET Scan. PET scans are of no value post mortem, but MRI may have some limited benefit, in addition to the physical autopsy, particularly for small, old injuries to ligaments and muscles that would be consistent with a trauma that occurred due to a crime (e.g. strangulation or abuse) if one had occurred.

If there are perpetrators of a crime covering something up, they will not want such an examination done. They will be afraid of justice.

Please act now to assure no authorization is given for cremation without a proper investigation and autopsy to address these issues.

Sincerely,

___________________________

[cyncooper]

Don't hurt yourself squeezing out those "big thoughts".

[diamond6]

From Spiritdaily.com

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From the mailbag:

Investigative Group To Expose Schiavo’s Lawyer’s “Voices”

Will Present Evidence Of Perjury And Conflict of Interest

by Trimelda C. McDaniels

Shadow Road Consultations and Investigations

George Felos is not just a lawyer for Michael Schiavo in the Terri Schiavo “right to die” case. He heads a religious organization that believes death by dehydration and starvation is a religious solution for the severely disabled. Felos knows this because he hears voices that tell him when someone wants to die this way and this is his gift as an agent of God.

This information comes from Shadow Rose, a small non-profit investigative group incorporated in Idaho that focuses on domestic violence and sexual abuse. The head of the organization, Trimelda C. McDaniels, found this information in Mr. Felos’ book, “Litigation As Spiritual Practice," (Blue Dolphin Publishing –2002) and feels that his role as a lawyer in the Schiavo case is based upon his religious beliefs that the removal of feeding tubes from the disabled are a form of profound, religious expression.

“Felos clearly states that he hears voices in his head that tell him when someone wants to die this way,” Mc Daniels said. “ He is adamant about being used by God to help people out of their bodies into the next world by removal of feeding tubes and even ‘willing’ them to die with his mind.”

She quotes from Mr. Felos’ own words in “Litigation As Spiritual Practice:”

“As Mrs. Browning lay motionless before my gaze, I suddenly heard a loud, deep moan, scream, and wondered if the nursing home personnel heard it and would respond to the unfortunate resident In the next moment, as this cry of pain and torment continued, I realized it was Mrs. Browning. I felt the mid-section of my body open and noticed a strange quality to the light in the room. I sensed her soul in agony. As she screamed I heard her say, in confusion, ‘Why am I still here … why am I here?’ My soul touched hers and in some way, I communicated that she was still locked in her body. I promised I would do everything in my power to gain the release her soul cried for. With that the screaming immediately stopped. I felt like I was back in my head again, the room resumed its normal appearance, and Mrs. Browning, as she had throughout this experience, lay silent. “I knew without a doubt what had transpired was real and dispelled the thought as intellect’s attempt to assert its own version of reality.” (73)

“I felt like an empty vessel, a vehicle through which Spirit does its own work. I felt deep gratitude for being endowed with the abilities that allow this work to be done through me. In a sense, I lost, at least for that moment, a personal agenda. I became an agent and God was the principal. All I needed to do was permit the work to come through me.”

The argument that Terri Schiavo stated “she wouldn’t want to live this way,” is based upon Felos’ own religious beliefs, not Mrs. Schiavo’s, ” Ms. McDaniels said. “Mr. Felos feels that God created him to bring death to the sick and disabled as a way of helping them reincarnate on a higher level. He says he is an "agent" of God who champions death,’ and I believe that Michael Schiavo shares these same views.”

“When did Terri join Mr. Felos’ religion? The last I heard she was a practicing Roman Catholic, “ said McDaniels

“If Mr. Felos wants to believe and even teach this as the ordained minister that he is in his church, he certainly has the right to do so,” McDaniels said. “I am a minister myself and I champion the rights of religious freedom. I am sure many other people believe that they have God like powers and have voices that guide them. They might even believe that death by starvation is an act of holiness. But, this belief becomes a problem when this person represents himself as speaking for Terri Schiavo. Is that really what she said, or is this one of Mr. Felos’ ‘voices’? How can you trust this kind of bias?” she asked.

It also doesn’t help that Mr. Felos is on the board of the hospital that supports the hospice where Terri Schivao is being held, McDaniels said. “Just those two facts alone-his religious teachings and practices concerning feeding tubes and his former relationship with the hospice should be enough to totally disregard anything he or his client, Michael Schiavo have to say about ‘what Terri wanted.’”

Ms. McDaniels stated that her organization intends to formally pursue criminal charges against both Mr. Schiavo and Mr. Felos, regardless of the outcome in the fight to save Terri Schiavo’s life.

““There was enough evidence of abuse for the Department of Children and Family Services in Florida to step in and file motions to have Terri Schiavo’s case investigated,” McDaniels said.

“They have tried to examine her abuse before and after Mrs. Schiavo’s hospitalization. Judge Greer, the judicial power in this matter has blocked them every time. He has also tried to stop the Justice Department and the United States Congress from being able to examine the bone scans and other evidence of abuse. It is time for the public to ask why he’s stonewalling and to separate Felos and Mr. Schiavo from their civil covering that Judge Greer has afforded them up to this point.”

“We will do everything we can to see that justice is done. The only way to do that is to re-examine Mrs. Schiavo in person or after death for signs of physical abuse. McDaniels said. “This is a case of domestic violence and abuse, not a right to die. Mr. Felos’ “voices” need to be examined in the clear light of day. Therefore, we intend to offer Mr. Felos’ book as evidence for disbarment and arrest on charges of perjury and other legal matters to The Congress of the United States this coming week.”

[cyncooper]

Judge Greer has ordered the cremation IMMEDIATELY upon Terri's death

Link to this order, please.

[El Gato]

And I wouldn't blame him in the least

You wouldn't blame him for being to afraid of bad publicity to do his job?

[Chad Fairbanks]

No, but I wouldn't blame him if his life got turned upside down, complete with death threats, having to have he and his family under protective guard etc...

[Trinity_Tx]

"I saw two doctors on Kasich's show last night. Both said they did not understand why an electrocephalogram [EEG] had not been given, or an MRI. They said that the doctors had been "marginalized" in all this, and it would have been very easy to determine what was going on inside Terri's brain, if the court had really wanted to know."

I saw that too. One was Jacob Green, who is one of the docs who signed an affidavit saying she isn't PVS.

He was the one so angry, because he assumed an EEG had "never been done", even if an MRI couldn't without brain surgery. As you say, he said it would be such a "simple matter of hooking her up to a few wires" - he said the results would "put all these questions to rest".

Dr. Siegel said he thought there had been. Green got mad and said NO, there hasn't.

Jacob Green was wrong. Pretty amazing he missed all the multiple EEGs that were taken on her, the last one in 2002, considering he swore in the affidavit that he had "reviewed her medical history".

All her EEGs just added confirmation of her PVS diagnosis - either No cerebral activity or severely abnormal activity - no reaction to pain or stimuli.

"To me, it shows that Michael and the judge did not want to know the truth. They'd already made up their minds that they wanted to euthanize Terri, and they did not want these doctors throwing cold water on their decision."

If I believed the rumors flying so fast and furious, I'd agree.

(and no, I still did not support pulling the tube under those circumstances)

[Neets]

Also, I have a feeling we are going to learn more about Terri's brain when she gets an autopsy.

Yes, I think you are!!

[El Gato]

The challenges and costs of maintaining vegetative state patients will pale in comparison to the problems presented by Alzheimer's disease." The answer, he suggested, was physician-assisted suicide.

My Dad had Alzheimer's. He died of pneumonia, which is called the "Old Man's Friend", which in his case it probably was. It was God's method of calling him home (with a bit to answer for I suspect :) )

That said, I'd have shot any doctor that tried to "assist" him to commit suicide.

[Trinity_Tx]

About an hour ago, Felos said they have arranged an autopsy with the Pinellas County Medical Examiner - Michael requested it.

[Trinity_Tx]

"If I were Michael AND I were innocent, I would be ecstatic at the propect of an autopsy, since it would once and for all clear my name."

Attorney George Felos told reporters late Monday afternoon in Florida that Michael Schiavo has requested that Pinellas County’s chief medical examiner perform on autopsy on his wife once she dies in order to answer questions about the severity of brain damage and to put to rest rumors about her physical condition.

kwtx.com

[cyncooper]

I heard that and posted same up thread. I would be stunned if there was never a plan to perform an autopsy and therefore feel very comfortable stating that it most likely was always going to be done.

[GRRRRR]

According to several reports and what I've seen on FOX, Terri has some metal implants in her thyroid. They were put in some years ago in an effort to stimulate them. With that metal in place, an MRI is not possible. A Positron Emission Topography scan (PET) is still possible...

G

[paltz]

Pinellas County Medical Examiner...HA!...whatever bought and paid for by Michael Schiavo and Co.

[Halls]

That implant can easily be removed once she is dead and still have the MRI.

[Trinity_Tx]

Unfortunately the tinfoilers are already shouting it's a trick and that the ME must be in on the conspiracy.


Another catch 22. Like the pain killers and the $ interest, etc.

[combat_boots]

"They wouldn't let it go no matter what, so he has nothing to gain from doing it.

You mean MEs aren't the least bit interested in learning the truth?"

This is a terrible thing to say, but there is a strong and powerful interest in making sure this whole thing goes the way of making sure she needed to die: Rising Medicare/medicaid and health care costs for catastophic illnesses. Today, for example, on C-SPAN, the chief actuary was being RE-broadcast from a March 25th presentation on the looming problem ahead for coverage. No way in heII that was an accident. Interesting? Yes. Macabre example of C-SPAN's agenda pushing? Lady Macbeth would be proud.

[Anita1]

Thank you for posting that!

Every Christian should post this around their home: Matthew 25:34-46

Faith without works is dead!

"You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men. You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.

[withteeth]

What do you gain by making such irresponsible statements?

[yellowdoghunter]

Thank you for your kind words. My sympathies on your sister.

[cyncooper]

So I see. On another thread (I can hardly breath the fetid air in this place these days) precise criteria for a medical examiner are being set forth and of course, the one who is currently employed by Pinellas County does not qualify. His findings are already dismissed before the procedure is even commenced.