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Dioxin, plastics, microwave dangers, truth or hoax?
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Posted on 03/28/2005 7:39:54 PM PST by kralcmot

What's New Cancer News from Johns Hopkins

No plastics in microwave

No water bottles in freezer

No plastic wrap in microwave

Johns Hopkins has recently sent this out in their newsletters. This information is being circulated at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

Dioxin Carcinogens cause cancer, especially breast cancer. Don't freeze your plastic water bottles with water as this also releases dioxin in the plastic.

Dr. Edward Fujimoto from Castle hospital was on a TV program explaining this health hazard. (He is the manager of the Wellness Program at the hospital.) He was talking about dioxin and how bad they are for us. He said that we should not be heating our food in the microwave using plastic containers. This applies to foods that contain fat. He said that the combination of fat, high heat and plastics releases dioxin into the food and ultimately into the cells of the body.

Dioxin are carcinogens and highly toxic to the cells of our bodies. Instead, he recommends using glass, Corning Ware, or ceramic containers for heating food. You get the same results, without the dioxin. So such things as TV dinners, instant ramen and soups, etc., should be removed from the container and heated in something else. Paper isn't bad but you don't know what is in the paper. It's just safer to use tempered glass, Corning Ware, etc. He said we might remember when some of the fast food restaurants moved away from the foam containers to paper.

The dioxin problem is one of the reasons. To add to this, Saran wrap placed over foods as they are nuked, with the high heat, actually drips poisonous toxins into the food, use paper towels.

Pass this on to your family & friends & those that are important in your life.

END OF ARTICLE....

and below is site claiming Dioxin not proven to be a toxin:

http://www.ncpa.org/newdpd/dpdarticle.php?article_id=1062&PHPSESSID=fa90650a02b422e075c1827b20a9bac3

THE DIOXIN MYTH

Daily Policy Digest

ENVIRONMENT /

Monday, December 27, 2004

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Dioxin has gained media attention since Ukrainian presidential candidate Viktor Yuschchenko was poisoned with the chemical. Alarmists refer to it as “the most deadly chemical known,” but such is not the case, says Michael Fumento of the Hudson Institute.

Dioxin is a byproduct of certain industrial processes such as incineration and bleaching. Humans carry small amounts of dioxin in their fat and blood, but the myth of “deadly dioxin” began with an experiment with guinea pigs, who were fed 1,000 times as much before they died.

Even though large amounts killed guinea pigs, the facts are:

Yuschchenko carried about 6,000 times as much dioxin as the average person; furthermore, the skin disease brought about by dioxin is a result of direct contact with the skin. Vietnam vets were monitored for high dioxin levels allegedly resulting from exposure to Agent Orange, but the Centers for Disease Control reports that the dioxin levels among Vietnam vets were similar to non-Vietnam vets. The controversial Love Canal area, which was reportedly dioxin-contaminated decades ago, was blamed for various illnesses; but biologist Michael Gough notes that no studies have proven the link, despite clean-up projects that continue to cost U.S. industries. Furthermore, worldwide studies examining the effect of dioxin on exposed workers or townspeople show no evidence that dioxin is a carcinogen (as the International Agency for Research on Cancer calls it).

Viktor Yuschchenko may not look that great for awhile, says Fumento, but he could have had it worse -- such as death by a few drops of strychnine or even a teaspoon of iron.

Source: Michael Fumento, “Viktory Over Alarmism,” Tech Central Station, December 16, 2004.

For text (including links)

http://www.techcentralstation.com/121604C.html

For more on Chemicals and Health Risks

http://eteam.ncpa.org/policy/Regulation_and_Risks/Risks/Chemicals_and_Health_Risks/


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: dioxin; emailhoax; health; johnshopkins; microwave; plastics; truth; walterreed
emailed to me today from my brother, with this request: "what's your read on this? is it truth or a hoax?"

i don't have a clue....do any of you?

1 posted on 03/28/2005 7:39:57 PM PST by kralcmot
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To: kralcmot

bump


2 posted on 03/28/2005 7:42:40 PM PST by George from New England
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To: kralcmot

http://www.snopes.com/toxins/plastic.htm


3 posted on 03/28/2005 7:42:56 PM PST by idkfa
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To: kralcmot

The e-mail is a hoax:

http://www.jhsph.edu/PublicHealthNews/articles/Halden_dioxins.html


4 posted on 03/28/2005 7:43:18 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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To: kralcmot
False: Found on Snopes

Truth or Fiction

5 posted on 03/28/2005 7:45:01 PM PST by GummyIII (May your home always be too small to hold all your friends.)
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To: kralcmot
Dioxin is toxic in large doses. In the minuscule amounts that might get into food from heating plastics in a microwave.. the risks are so tiny that they are lost in the noise of everyday life.

Life *is* a state of being at risk. The only time we have no risk is when we are dead.

6 posted on 03/28/2005 7:46:13 PM PST by marktwain
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To: kralcmot

People don't want to hear these things untill they get cancer.


7 posted on 03/28/2005 7:53:42 PM PST by Ibredd
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To: marktwain

Ya, its a crap game when you open your eyes every morning-----Shoot your faded.


8 posted on 03/28/2005 7:55:26 PM PST by Uncle George
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To: kralcmot

Dioxin Research at the
National Institute of Environmental
Health Sciences (NIEHS)
What is dioxin?
Dioxin is the common name used to refer to the chemical 2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin or TCDD. In addition to dioxin itself there are other compounds, such as the polychlorinated dibenzodioxins (PCDDs), polychlorinated dibenzofurans (PCDFs) and some polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), that have similar structures and activity as dioxin. These are often commonly referred to as dioxin-like compounds or "dioxins".

How are dioxins formed?
Dioxins are chemical contaminants that have no commercial usefulness by themselves. They are formed during combustion processes, such as waste incineration, forest fires and backyard trash burning, and during manufacturing processes such as herbicide manufacture and paper manufacture. e.g. dioxin was a contaminant of the herbicide Agent Orange used as a defoliant by U.S. forces in Vietnam.

Why are dioxins of concern?
People are constantly exposed to dioxins through ingestion of dioxins that are present at low levels as environmental contaminants in food. Although they are at low levels in food , some dioxins are very slowly removed from the body and therefore they accumulate in our fat tissue. In laboratory animals, dioxins are highly toxic, cause cancer, and alter reproductive, developmental and immune function.

What are the health effects of dioxin on humans?
Studies have shown that dioxin exposure at high levels in exposed chemical workers leads to an increase in cancer. Other studies in highly exposed people show that dioxin exposure can lead to reproductive and developmental problems, increased heart disease and increased diabetes. Dioxins ability to cause birth defects (teratogenicity) has not been established in humans but studies in mice have shown that dioxin and similar chemicals can produce congenital defects.

In general the effects of dioxin on humans were only observed in populations that were highly exposed. The effect of the long term low level exposure that is normally experienced by the general population is not known. The long-term effects of dioxin exposure on human immunity, reproduction and development, and other organs and systems remain focal points for ongoing research, as are the molecular and cellular mechanisms by which dioxin causes these health effects.

What are the biological mechanisms of dioxin's toxicity?
The way in which dioxin affects cells is similar in some way to the way in which hormones such as estrogen work. Dioxin enters a cell and binds to a protein present in cells known as the Ah receptor. The receptor when bound to dioxin can then bind to DNA and alter the expression of some genes. This can lead to alterations in the level of specific proteins and enzymes in the cell. While it is not known exactly how changes in the levels of these different proteins cause the toxicity of dioxin, it is believed by most scientists that the initial binding of dioxin the Ah receptor is the first step.





Ongoing Dioxin Research
by the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences
The health effects of dioxin on humans are the subject of ongoing studies at a number of research centers including the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences in Research Triangle Park, N.C. In addition, NIEHS-supported researchers have studied the health effects of dioxin for more than 20 years and their efforts are reported in a large number of articles published in the scientific literature.

Dioxin and Cancer
The ability of dioxin to cause cancer (carcinogenicity) in laboratory animals is well established. The way in which dioxin cause cancer in animals and humans however is not fully understood, nor is it known if other dioxin-like compounds cause cancer. Humans are exposed to mixtures of dioxins and regulatory agencies such as the EPA regulate dioxin-like compounds together. Ongoing research at NIEHS is being conducted to examine the carcinogenicity of different dioxins, mixtures of these compounds, and the biological mechanisms responsible.

Dioxin and Agent Orange
Researchers are examining the effect of long term exposure to dioxin as a result of exposure to a Agent Orange, a defoliant used by U.S. forces in Vietnam. These studies have shown an elevation in diabetes in serviceman exposed to dioxin contaminated Agent Orange

Dioxin and Endometriosis
Studies have shown that dioxin exposure can increases the occurrence of endometriosis in monkeys exposed to low levels of dioxins. NIEHS grantees are extending these studies to examine the consequence of long-term exposure to dioxins on the incidence of endometriosis in women exposed to dioxin during a chemical accident in Seveso, Italy.

Dioxin and Immune function
One of the primary toxic effects of dioxin in laboratory animals is immune suppression, which results in decreased resistance to infectious agents and some cancers. The mechanisms and relationship between altered host resistance and immune dysfunction is complex, poorly defined, but extremely important to understanding health effects. NIEHS researchers are examining the mechanisms of immune suppression. Other studies are examining alterations in immune cell function in several human populations exposed to dioxin at both high levels and at low levels similar to that seen in the general US population.

Human response to Dioxin
The increased knowledge of the changes occurring in cells after exposure to dioxin allow us to examine if those effects are occurring in humans. Ongoing studies using state of the art molecular techniques are examining the effect of dioxins on the levels of specific genes in humans exposed long term to both high and low levels of dioxins. These studies will determine if there are individuals that are more responsive to dioxin and if these differences indicate that they are at higher risk of developing health problems.

Who at NIEHS can give me more specific information about dioxin and its health effects?

All NIEHS staff scientists may be reached at this postal mailing address:

Dr. Jerrold Heindel (grants for dioxin research)
Address:

NIEHS
MD EC-03
P.O. Box 12233
Research Triangle Park (RTP), N.C. 27709 USA

Telephone: (919) 541-0781 (USA)


NTP Liaison and Scientific Review Office
Address:

NIEHS
MD A3-01
P.O. Box 12233
Research Triangle Park (RTP), N.C. 27709 USA

Telephone: (919) 541-0530 (USA)
Email: liaison@starbase.niehs.nih.gov


Mr. Thomas R. Hawkins (Office of Communications, media liaison and referrals)
Address:

NIEHS
MD EC-12
P.O. Box 12233
Research Triangle Park (RTP), N.C. 27709 USA

Telephone: (919) 541-1402 (USA)


9 posted on 03/28/2005 8:00:51 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
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To: kralcmot

Hydrogen oxide is the biggest killer on the planet and you hear nothing about it. WAKE UP!


10 posted on 03/28/2005 8:02:04 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Eagles6
"Hydrogen oxide is the biggest killer on the planet and you hear nothing about it. WAKE UP!"

So THAT'S why they're not giving any of this to Terri Schiavo. They're actually trying to save her! (/sarcasm>

11 posted on 03/28/2005 8:07:54 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
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To: kralcmot

Don't inhale-Don't exhale,,,,,,,You'll be OK.


12 posted on 03/28/2005 8:10:42 PM PST by Waco
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To: Eagles6

I believe you are referring to DiHydrogenOxide or dihydrogen monoxide.
Yes, extremely dangerous. Free Republic devoted a full thread to this at least once.


13 posted on 03/28/2005 8:11:23 PM PST by phil1750 (Love like you've never been hurt;Dance like nobody's watching;PRAY like it's your last prayer)
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To: Eagles6
Hydrogen oxide is the biggest killer on the planet

Don't you mean Hydrogen hydroxide or DiHydrogen Monoxide? Inhale even small amounts of it in its liquid form and it will kill you. It causes severe tissue damage in either its gaseous or solid forms.

14 posted on 03/28/2005 8:12:02 PM PST by PAR35
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To: kralcmot

Yes, in fact they are going to switch all the plastic IV bags and plastic tubing to very thin flexible tempered glass. Just in case a dead person isn't really dead, they are going to make plastic body bags out of thin glass, too. And McD is going to move to foamed glass burger boxes. And they are coming out with a new glass tire, since there are dioxins in rubber, too. My local paper just announced they are going to deliver the newspaper in a glass bag. It's true! I just read it on FR and saw it on TV. A Dr. Schwantz from Israel was interviewed by Gerald Rivers!


15 posted on 03/28/2005 8:30:45 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: PAR35

I sail in it all the time. The salt version is quite entertaining.


16 posted on 03/28/2005 8:37:40 PM PST by Senormechanico
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Yes. They are only looking out for her well being. Don't mean to turn this into a Terri thread but I just heard felos(attio) say that it was a lovely scene. Music was playing, flowers, stuffed animals. She never looked so beautiful! Someone needs to smack that a##hole.


17 posted on 03/28/2005 8:42:40 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: kralcmot
If you have any questions in this area, visit www.fumento.com and search your topic. He is the rational man who turned this scientifically-educated former liberal into a conservative. I understand that he is an occasional freeper.
18 posted on 03/28/2005 8:43:29 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: PAR35; Iam1ru1-2

Yes. Hydrogen Oxide is the antiquated name. It's everywhere. It killed 500,000 people in one day about 2 months ago and you don't hear a peep from the msm.
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html


19 posted on 03/28/2005 8:44:01 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Senormechanico
The salt version is quite entertaining.

Dangerous pastime. Inhaled or ingested in quantity it is invariably fatal.

20 posted on 03/28/2005 8:47:42 PM PST by PAR35
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To: kralcmot
"He said we might remember when some of the fast food restaurants moved away from the foam containers to paper.

The dioxin problem is one of the reasons."

Considering that fast food restaurants moved away from foam containers because of heavy enviro-whacko pressure complaining that our landfills were about to all be overflowed with those little foam boxes, not because of some dioxin scare, the author completely lost me right there.

21 posted on 03/28/2005 9:12:12 PM PST by Stormcrow ("It's not that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so much that isn't so.")
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To: kralcmot
I LOVE the taste of dioxin. I seek it out, in fact, to the point of removing leftovers from Pyrex dishes and microwaving them in Tupperware.
22 posted on 03/28/2005 9:30:26 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Tagline schmagline.)
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To: kralcmot
I'm going to wrap apples in plastic wrap before microwaving them. I want to see if I'm killed by the dioxin leeching in from the wrap or the cyanide leeching out of the seeds.

Have these people ever figured out that the poison is in the dose. We can detect substances in quantities well under a part per billion. Just because you can detect it doesn't mean that it can hurt you.

Dioxin is a byproduct of certain industrial processes such as incineration and bleaching. Humans carry small amounts of dioxin in their fat and blood, but the myth of “deadly dioxin” began with an experiment with guinea pigs, who were fed 1,000 times as much before they died.

Even though large amounts killed guinea pigs, the facts are:

How many of those guinea pigs were poisoned by the dioxin compared to the number suffering from total structural failure (i.e. they popped) from the amount fed to them? How many more were killed by lab workers accidently dropping bags of dioxin laced guinea pig chow on top of them?

23 posted on 03/28/2005 9:41:54 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Blackwell for Governor 2006: hated by the 'Rats, feared by the RINOs.)
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To: Senormechanico
H2O is deadly, just try breathing it straight, it kills every time.
24 posted on 03/28/2005 9:50:00 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: kralcmot
You need to read this book. It debunks lots of this garbage.


25 posted on 03/28/2005 10:39:57 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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26 posted on 03/28/2005 11:11:36 PM PST by kralcmot (save us all, fight for Terri's right to Life)
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To: Paleo Conservative

thanks

see my previous post

our postings crossed in the FReeper backyard


27 posted on 03/28/2005 11:17:31 PM PST by kralcmot (save us all, fight for Terri's right to Life)
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