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Study: Preschool for all California 4-year-olds a wise investment (Rand Corp.)
Bakersfield Californian ^ | 3/29/05 | Paul Chavez - AP

Posted on 03/29/2005 6:03:45 PM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: NormsRevenge

I've seen the ads for a long time now. The fact is this: Kids who go to pre-school are better educated because their parents care about their education and development. They can also tend to make more money. Those who don't send their kids to preschool are either on welfare, can't afford to send them (single parents), and there is a small percentage who educate their kids at home. The latter do well, the two former, no.


21 posted on 03/29/2005 6:20:42 PM PST by followerofchrist
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To: alancarp
Gee, the conclusion from a North Carolina study was that 4-yr-old education didn't make any difference after about the third grade or so (I'm going from memory here, sorry). Hmmm - maybe that says more about the elementary education system.

I've heard the exact same thing. My 7 year old daughter is in the 2nd grade and started preschool at just over 2 years old. (It was a Montessori school and she was precocious and bored at home.) She was in preschool for 2 1/2 years before starting school. I honestly don't see how it has made a difference to her learning now.

22 posted on 03/29/2005 6:21:51 PM PST by conservative cat
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To: NormsRevenge

P.S. As far as preschool kids being less likely to do drugs and go to jail: Welfare parents often do use drugs and the fathers often are in, or have been in jail. Those kids are in a bad home environment, and kids who go to preschool have parents who make enough money to shelter their kids from this environment.


23 posted on 03/29/2005 6:22:32 PM PST by followerofchrist
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To: LauraleeBraswell

"But when will the children have time to learn English?"

I heard an ad today on the radio, and I nearly slammed on my brakes. It was a job announcement, and it said "applicants must be fluent in English."

IT'S ABOUT TIME!


24 posted on 03/29/2005 6:25:08 PM PST by followerofchrist
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To: followerofchrist

Oh come on. Welfare parents aren't often on drugs and their fathers aren't often in jail - that is such and stereotype with racist overtones. There are plenty of homes chock full of drugs and alcohol and homes with parents in trouble with the law that aren't dependent on public assistance.
What we can assume is that it's the intervention of the public-funded programs and the schools overall that protect children from at-risk homes despite their socio-economic class.


25 posted on 03/29/2005 6:29:14 PM PST by shalozby
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To: followerofchrist

Actually, young children are much more capable of learning languages than older children or adults, and I think we can assume that the preschools aren't conducted entirely in French. Why not teach the children French as well as English? I had to take Latin when I was 12; I would have probably done better if I had started learning a foreign language earlier. We can't assume that there's some sort of crazy French conspiracy to wipe out the English language, especially sinc fine tuned learning of our common language comes mostly from elective practice such as reading and writing outside of mandatory classwork.


26 posted on 03/29/2005 6:33:30 PM PST by shalozby
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To: shalozby
Did some of the posts on this thread strike a nerve?

By the way, welcome to Free Republic.

27 posted on 03/29/2005 6:35:24 PM PST by SIDENET
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To: NormsRevenge
The cost-benefits study by the Santa Monica-based think tank estimated average annual costs of $1.7 billion for universal preschool would be offset in the long-term by a reduction in the high school graduation dropout rate, less juvenile crime and a more productive work force.

I bet if we started them in school at 6 months we could save even more money.

28 posted on 03/29/2005 6:36:22 PM PST by oldbrowser (What really matters is culture, ethos, character, and morality)
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To: NormsRevenge

Hey there are lots of preschools that aren't state run. Bottom line, having parents that care about their children and what they learn is really the answer. Perhaps the children in preschools have parents that care a lot about them. My boy is in preschool and it really helps, it isn't state run.


29 posted on 03/29/2005 6:39:06 PM PST by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
""They won't be left behind in kindergarten or first grade when things get more complicated," Chaponot said.""

No. Now they get to be "left behind" in pre-school.
The solution is obvious. Government needs to take control of infants, and schedule limited custody time to parents.

30 posted on 03/29/2005 6:39:26 PM PST by Lancey Howard (....tick.... tick.... tick.... tick....)
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To: shalozby

""Actually, young children are much more capable of learning languages than older children or adults,""


Yes, because their ear is still developing. The best way to teach children a language is for the home to be bilingual. A friend of my mother's spoke fluent Spanish, and only spoke Spanish to her children. To her husband of course, she spoke English. And her children were raised fluent in both languages.


31 posted on 03/29/2005 6:46:34 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: vpintheak

Some of us who "care a lot" for our children think they should be home with a loving parent for as long as possible.


32 posted on 03/29/2005 6:49:43 PM PST by Politicalmom (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.")
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To: Politicalmom

I just knew someone would flame me! That's OK. I totally believe in the stay at home thing. I myself have been the stay at home Dad for 1 1/2 years. It is the best place for kids to be. Preschool isn't all day long either, and he gets to be around other kids his age for a while too. Social skills is another benefit.


33 posted on 03/29/2005 6:52:37 PM PST by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: SIDENET

I just think some of them are surprisingly dumb; how can conservative America get any respect if it's response is always knee-jerk or with racist overtones?


34 posted on 03/29/2005 7:02:54 PM PST by shalozby
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To: LauraleeBraswell

....what is your point? So children who aren't from bilingual homes just shouldn't learn other languages?


35 posted on 03/29/2005 7:04:13 PM PST by shalozby
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To: shalozby

""....what is your point? So children who aren't from bilingual homes just shouldn't learn other languages?""

Yes, that's exactly what my point was. No one should learn a language unless they're from a bilingual home. Infact, let us make it against the law! (sarcasm)

I said it was the best way.

Fight starter


36 posted on 03/29/2005 7:06:00 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
tooo funny... learning french in the land of Aztlan!!!
37 posted on 03/29/2005 7:14:03 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Ok, but your this opinion your expressing veers off and is out of context. If I think that there's nothing wrong with learning another language in school at a young age, then it's at best loosely related to children from bilingual homes getting the best foreign language education in America.
38 posted on 03/29/2005 7:15:57 PM PST by shalozby (Jesus was a socialist, but don't tell Paul that.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
The best way to teach children a language is for the home to be bilingual.

My kids learned Spanish by watching Spanish TV, then talking to some Meixican friends. Worked great.

39 posted on 03/29/2005 7:20:40 PM PST by umgud
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To: shalozby
I just think some of them are surprisingly dumb; how can conservative America get any respect if it's response is always knee-jerk or with racist overtones?

No, troll...get it right. Isn't it always "racist, bigot, homophobe" from you folks? Also, I think conservative America gets plenty of respect. Don't you remember the '02 and '04 elections?

40 posted on 03/29/2005 7:21:56 PM PST by SIDENET
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