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Study: Preschool for all California 4-year-olds a wise investment (Rand Corp.)
Bakersfield Californian ^ | 3/29/05 | Paul Chavez - AP

Posted on 03/29/2005 6:03:45 PM PST by NormsRevenge

LOS ANGELES (AP) - High-quality, universal preschool for all 4-year-olds in California would generate $2.62 in benefits for every public dollar spent, according to a new economic analysis released Tuesday by the Rand Corp.

The cost-benefits study by the Santa Monica-based think tank estimated average annual costs of $1.7 billion for universal preschool would be offset in the long-term by a reduction in the high school graduation dropout rate, less juvenile crime and a more productive work force.

The David and Lucile Packard Foundation, which advocates voluntary preschool for all 3- and 4-year-olds in California by 2013, funded the study.

"Rand's analysis demonstrates that preschool is definitely a worthwhile investment," said The Boeing Co. Chairman Lew Platt, who also is a trustee for the Packard Foundation.

The investment for each class of 4-year-old preschoolers would be returned by age 14 and returns to the economy would continue to accrue over their adult years, Platt said during a conference call with reporters.

"Preschool returns over 10 percent annually on the funds invested, trouncing the average government bond or savings account and nearly matching the historical returns of the stock market," Platt said.

The Rand study predicted that universal preschool would lead to 13,764 fewer children retained a grade during their K-12 years; 10,010 additional high school graduates; 4,737 fewer cases of child abuse or neglect and 7,329 fewer juvenile arrests.

Elizabeth Chaponot, campus director of Lycee International de Los Angeles, said preschool makes such a profound impact because it gives children the opportunity to learn the culture and language of school.

The 15 bright-eyed students in her school's pre-kindergarten class are not only learning French, but also how to work together, how to master holding a pencil and how to draw the curves and lines needed next year for writing.

"They won't be left behind in kindergarten or first grade when things get more complicated," Chaponot said.

The study was based on the creation of a publicly financed, voluntary preschool program for all 4-year-olds that would feature small classes, qualified teachers and the use of old or new facilities run by public or private providers.

Only two states, Georgia and Oklahoma, currently have voluntary preschool programs available to all 4-year-olds. New York, West Virginia and Florida have committed to universal preschool programs, but they have yet to be either fully funded or implemented.

In California, about 65 percent of 4-year-olds already are in preschool, but enrollment rates and the quality of instruction vary across socio-economic groups.

The Rand study reported that enrollment rates nationwide are lowest for Hispanic children and for children from poor families.

Only 38 percent of 3- to 5-year-olds whose mothers who have less than a high school education enroll in early childhood programs, compared to 70 percent for those whose mothers have at least a college degree.

Risk factors that lead to failure in school are acute in California, where about 18 percent of children under age 5 live with a single parent; 13 percent are Hispanic and living in poverty and nearly half have a foreign-born parent. The Rand study, co-authored by Lynn Karoly and James Bigelow, figured that 25 percent of California's children of preschool are at high risk of failure.

A coalition of groups, spearheaded by Hollywood activist Rob Reiner, are expected to file an initiative in the coming weeks that could let voters decide in June 2006 if universal preschool should be offered statewide.

California voters in 1998 created the First 5 program by approving a 50-cent a pack tax on cigarettes and raising taxes on all other tobacco products to pay for programs for children up to age five. The program, also championed by Reiner, has raised more than $3 billion, but questions have been raised on how the money is being spent.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: California; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: california; cradletograve; didisaypishtosh; earlychildhood; investment; meathead; preschool; prop10; randcorp; robreiner; study; universalpreschool; wise

1 posted on 03/29/2005 6:03:46 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge


HAHAHA! Is it Fantasy Day?! Let's all make up silly stories!



2 posted on 03/29/2005 6:05:06 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: NormsRevenge



The little Californians are Learning French?! How wonderful! But when will the children have time to learn English?


3 posted on 03/29/2005 6:05:55 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Pish-tosh! Did I say "pish-tosh"? Buncombe. Balderdash. Bilge. Hogwash. Unmitigated piffle. Utter nonsense. Wake me up when you get back from Planet Zongo.


4 posted on 03/29/2005 6:08:12 PM PST by Tax-chick ("I can't live in a yurt and dine on Mongolian barbecue.")
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To: NormsRevenge



Just one more PLEASE, and then I'll stop.


"""They won't be left behind in kindergarten or first grade when things get more complicated," Chaponot said.""


Because Kindergarten is So HARD right? I just can't get those seasons in sequence, is it Spring Winter Fall Summer or Winter Spring Summer Fall? When there is a fire what do I do, wait wait I remember STOP DROP AND ROLL!




5 posted on 03/29/2005 6:09:05 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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The Rand study reported that enrollment rates nationwide are lowest for Hispanic children and for children from poor families.

Only 38 percent of 3- to 5-year-olds whose mothers who have less than a high school education enroll in early childhood programs, compared to 70 percent for those whose mothers have at least a college degree.

Risk factors that lead to failure in school are acute in California, where about 18 percent of children under age 5 live with a single parent; 13 percent are Hispanic and living in poverty and nearly half have a foreign-born parent.

The Rand study, co-authored by Lynn Karoly and James Bigelow, figured that 25 percent of California's children of preschool are at high risk of failure.


6 posted on 03/29/2005 6:09:25 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

When I was a kid in California, we had Earthquake Drill, too.


7 posted on 03/29/2005 6:10:07 PM PST by Tax-chick ("I can't live in a yurt and dine on Mongolian barbecue.")
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To: NormsRevenge
High-quality, universal preschool for all 4-year-olds in California would generate $2.62 in benefits for every public dollar spent, according to a new economic analysis released Tuesday by the Rand Corp.

Translation: High-quality, universal preschool for all 4-year-olds in California would generate $2.62 in new spending at the local malls by union teachers for every public dollar spent, according to a new economic analysis released Tuesday by the California Pre-School Teachers Association. ;)

9 posted on 03/29/2005 6:11:23 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: NormsRevenge

Okay class, all together. We must raise teachers' salaries; we must invest more in schools; we must see that every school child is given a good meal for breakfast, lunch, and dinner; we must pump more money into the schools; we must pay, pay, pay, pay, pay, pay; then all the problems will be fixed. Class dismissed.


10 posted on 03/29/2005 6:11:57 PM PST by Bertha Fanation
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To: NormsRevenge

""The Rand study reported that enrollment rates nationwide are lowest for Hispanic children""

Could that be because Hispanics are a minority?

""The Rand study, co-authored by Lynn Karoly and James Bigelow, figured that 25 percent of California's children of preschool are at high risk of failure.""

How does anyone fail preschool?


11 posted on 03/29/2005 6:11:57 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: Grannyx4

Another homeschooling Ping.


12 posted on 03/29/2005 6:12:51 PM PST by LongElegantLegs (I considered getting highlights; but my smugness is easier to maintain.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Gee, the conclusion from a North Carolina study was that 4-yr-old education didn't make any difference after about the third grade or so (I'm going from memory here, sorry). Hmmm - maybe that says more about the elementary education system.
13 posted on 03/29/2005 6:12:56 PM PST by alancarp (When does it cease to be "Freedom of the Press" and become outright SEDITION?)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

LOL!


14 posted on 03/29/2005 6:13:09 PM PST by madameguinot (Go Illini!)
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To: Javelina


My Kindergarten class was so much fun! We had nap time, and songs to learn the Alphabet, and we learned about the seasons, and numbers, and we had snack time!

I had a learning disability too, I kept writing my letters backwards. But I still had fun!


15 posted on 03/29/2005 6:13:42 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Do you want these guys raising your kids? lol


16 posted on 03/29/2005 6:14:24 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: alancarp

""Gee, the conclusion from a North Carolina study was that 4-yr-old education didn't make any difference after about the third grade or so (I'm going from memory here, sorry). Hmmm - maybe that says more about the elementary education system.""


I read that study too, and other studies that said the same thing. Children learn through play! When will these so called experts get that?


17 posted on 03/29/2005 6:16:00 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

According to my son Tom's kindergarten teacher (30 years in public schools, plus 15 in St. Benedict's Preschool - yes, she was old), all normal 4-5 year olds write letters and numbers backward.


18 posted on 03/29/2005 6:16:20 PM PST by Tax-chick ("I can't live in a yurt and dine on Mongolian barbecue.")
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To: NormsRevenge

some los angeles high schools have police helicopters hovering overhead.

they oughta solve existing problemas before the create new ones.


19 posted on 03/29/2005 6:17:39 PM PST by ken21 ( if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: NormsRevenge

yes, because teaching your children automatically means raising them. Sheesh.


20 posted on 03/29/2005 6:18:13 PM PST by shalozby
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To: NormsRevenge

I've seen the ads for a long time now. The fact is this: Kids who go to pre-school are better educated because their parents care about their education and development. They can also tend to make more money. Those who don't send their kids to preschool are either on welfare, can't afford to send them (single parents), and there is a small percentage who educate their kids at home. The latter do well, the two former, no.


21 posted on 03/29/2005 6:20:42 PM PST by followerofchrist
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To: alancarp
Gee, the conclusion from a North Carolina study was that 4-yr-old education didn't make any difference after about the third grade or so (I'm going from memory here, sorry). Hmmm - maybe that says more about the elementary education system.

I've heard the exact same thing. My 7 year old daughter is in the 2nd grade and started preschool at just over 2 years old. (It was a Montessori school and she was precocious and bored at home.) She was in preschool for 2 1/2 years before starting school. I honestly don't see how it has made a difference to her learning now.

22 posted on 03/29/2005 6:21:51 PM PST by conservative cat
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To: NormsRevenge

P.S. As far as preschool kids being less likely to do drugs and go to jail: Welfare parents often do use drugs and the fathers often are in, or have been in jail. Those kids are in a bad home environment, and kids who go to preschool have parents who make enough money to shelter their kids from this environment.


23 posted on 03/29/2005 6:22:32 PM PST by followerofchrist
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To: LauraleeBraswell

"But when will the children have time to learn English?"

I heard an ad today on the radio, and I nearly slammed on my brakes. It was a job announcement, and it said "applicants must be fluent in English."

IT'S ABOUT TIME!


24 posted on 03/29/2005 6:25:08 PM PST by followerofchrist
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To: followerofchrist

Oh come on. Welfare parents aren't often on drugs and their fathers aren't often in jail - that is such and stereotype with racist overtones. There are plenty of homes chock full of drugs and alcohol and homes with parents in trouble with the law that aren't dependent on public assistance.
What we can assume is that it's the intervention of the public-funded programs and the schools overall that protect children from at-risk homes despite their socio-economic class.


25 posted on 03/29/2005 6:29:14 PM PST by shalozby
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To: followerofchrist

Actually, young children are much more capable of learning languages than older children or adults, and I think we can assume that the preschools aren't conducted entirely in French. Why not teach the children French as well as English? I had to take Latin when I was 12; I would have probably done better if I had started learning a foreign language earlier. We can't assume that there's some sort of crazy French conspiracy to wipe out the English language, especially sinc fine tuned learning of our common language comes mostly from elective practice such as reading and writing outside of mandatory classwork.


26 posted on 03/29/2005 6:33:30 PM PST by shalozby
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To: shalozby
Did some of the posts on this thread strike a nerve?

By the way, welcome to Free Republic.

27 posted on 03/29/2005 6:35:24 PM PST by SIDENET
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To: NormsRevenge
The cost-benefits study by the Santa Monica-based think tank estimated average annual costs of $1.7 billion for universal preschool would be offset in the long-term by a reduction in the high school graduation dropout rate, less juvenile crime and a more productive work force.

I bet if we started them in school at 6 months we could save even more money.

28 posted on 03/29/2005 6:36:22 PM PST by oldbrowser (What really matters is culture, ethos, character, and morality)
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To: NormsRevenge

Hey there are lots of preschools that aren't state run. Bottom line, having parents that care about their children and what they learn is really the answer. Perhaps the children in preschools have parents that care a lot about them. My boy is in preschool and it really helps, it isn't state run.


29 posted on 03/29/2005 6:39:06 PM PST by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
""They won't be left behind in kindergarten or first grade when things get more complicated," Chaponot said.""

No. Now they get to be "left behind" in pre-school.
The solution is obvious. Government needs to take control of infants, and schedule limited custody time to parents.

30 posted on 03/29/2005 6:39:26 PM PST by Lancey Howard (....tick.... tick.... tick.... tick....)
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To: shalozby

""Actually, young children are much more capable of learning languages than older children or adults,""


Yes, because their ear is still developing. The best way to teach children a language is for the home to be bilingual. A friend of my mother's spoke fluent Spanish, and only spoke Spanish to her children. To her husband of course, she spoke English. And her children were raised fluent in both languages.


31 posted on 03/29/2005 6:46:34 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: vpintheak

Some of us who "care a lot" for our children think they should be home with a loving parent for as long as possible.


32 posted on 03/29/2005 6:49:43 PM PST by Politicalmom (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.")
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To: Politicalmom

I just knew someone would flame me! That's OK. I totally believe in the stay at home thing. I myself have been the stay at home Dad for 1 1/2 years. It is the best place for kids to be. Preschool isn't all day long either, and he gets to be around other kids his age for a while too. Social skills is another benefit.


33 posted on 03/29/2005 6:52:37 PM PST by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: SIDENET

I just think some of them are surprisingly dumb; how can conservative America get any respect if it's response is always knee-jerk or with racist overtones?


34 posted on 03/29/2005 7:02:54 PM PST by shalozby
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To: LauraleeBraswell

....what is your point? So children who aren't from bilingual homes just shouldn't learn other languages?


35 posted on 03/29/2005 7:04:13 PM PST by shalozby
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To: shalozby

""....what is your point? So children who aren't from bilingual homes just shouldn't learn other languages?""

Yes, that's exactly what my point was. No one should learn a language unless they're from a bilingual home. Infact, let us make it against the law! (sarcasm)

I said it was the best way.

Fight starter


36 posted on 03/29/2005 7:06:00 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
tooo funny... learning french in the land of Aztlan!!!
37 posted on 03/29/2005 7:14:03 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Ok, but your this opinion your expressing veers off and is out of context. If I think that there's nothing wrong with learning another language in school at a young age, then it's at best loosely related to children from bilingual homes getting the best foreign language education in America.
38 posted on 03/29/2005 7:15:57 PM PST by shalozby (Jesus was a socialist, but don't tell Paul that.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
The best way to teach children a language is for the home to be bilingual.

My kids learned Spanish by watching Spanish TV, then talking to some Meixican friends. Worked great.

39 posted on 03/29/2005 7:20:40 PM PST by umgud
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To: shalozby
I just think some of them are surprisingly dumb; how can conservative America get any respect if it's response is always knee-jerk or with racist overtones?

No, troll...get it right. Isn't it always "racist, bigot, homophobe" from you folks? Also, I think conservative America gets plenty of respect. Don't you remember the '02 and '04 elections?

40 posted on 03/29/2005 7:21:56 PM PST by SIDENET
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To: Javelina
Hey! I failed Kindergarten! It wasn't easy..... (I am not joking, either)

Dear Parents,

Javelina does not play well with others, grumbles at nap time, talks during story time and annoys the other children during recess.

41 posted on 03/29/2005 7:30:17 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: NormsRevenge

Won't the $2.62 in savings simply be sent home to Mexico?


42 posted on 03/29/2005 7:32:42 PM PST by Tacis ( SEAL THE FRIGGEN BORDER!!!)
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To: Tax-chick
When I was a kid in California, we had Earthquake Drill, too.

Don't forget Atomic Bomb drill, too! (Am I giving away my age? Oh, no!)

43 posted on 03/29/2005 7:37:47 PM PST by exDemMom (Death is beautiful, to those who hate their own lives.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Unfortunately those days are long gone. At least in the district where I teach. Kindergarten is an all day affair with no nap, a 30 minute lunch and only one 15 minute recess break. By the end of their Kindergarten year the children are expected to write with correct form all letters of the alphabet using lined paper, identify upper and lower case letters as well as produce all the sounds that go with them-three sounds for "O", two for "S" etc.; read 32 different high frequency words; count to 100 by ones, fives and tens; add and subtract to 10; recognize simple fractions; write simple stories using some correct literary form and reasonable spelling; and read simple "decodable" books. We're not talking "Dick and Jane" either. There is no time for free art, show and tell, music or story time and sadly, children with no prior school experience start out behind and many never catch up because they never get the foundation skills they need to be successful.
44 posted on 03/29/2005 8:08:27 PM PST by enai
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Unfortunately those days are long gone. At least in the district where I teach. Kindergarten is an all day affair with no nap, a 30 minute lunch and only one 15 minute recess break. By the end of their Kindergarten year the children are expected to write with correct form all letters of the alphabet using lined paper, identify upper and lower case letters as well as produce all the sounds that go with them-three sounds for "O", two for "S" etc.; read 32 different high frequency words; count to 100 by ones, fives and tens; add and subtract to 10; recognize simple fractions; write simple stories using some correct literary form and reasonable spelling; and read simple "decodable" books. We're not talking "Dick and Jane" either. There is no time for free art, show and tell, music or story time and sadly, children with no prior school experience start out behind and many never catch up because they never get the foundation skills they need to be successful.
45 posted on 03/29/2005 8:14:46 PM PST by enai
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To: exDemMom
Don't forget Atomic Bomb drill, too!

I remember Atomic Bomb drill, too - so I guess you're giving away my age :-).

46 posted on 03/30/2005 3:44:33 AM PST by Tax-chick ("I can't live in a yurt and dine on Mongolian barbecue.")
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To: LauraleeBraswell

English? What's that?


47 posted on 03/30/2005 3:47:56 AM PST by hershey
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To: NormsRevenge

if even one education "expert" read the work of Piaget or Marvin Minsky at MIT, they would know that kids this age need to run and play not try to learn anything. their minds are not ready for the concept of conservation, how much water is in the short 8oz glass vs. the tall 8oz glass, let alone subjects of Pre-School.


48 posted on 03/30/2005 5:44:41 AM PST by q_an_a
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