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B'LORE + BEIJING GREATER THAN US
THE TIMES OF INDIA ^ | 30 Mar 2005 | PERCY FERNANDEZ

Posted on 03/31/2005 2:19:10 AM PST by Robert Drobot

NEW DELHI: Chinese Premier Wen Jiabo will go straight to Bangalore on April 9, 2005 and spend the weekend before he arrives in New Delhi in what is being seen as a landmark visit and later what would transpire in the Capital bound to bring bonhomie in the Sino-India relations.

Unlike other state guests, Wen will not visit the Infosys campus in Bangalore.

Instead he will visit Tata Consultancy Services (TCS), one of the world's largest software and services consulting organisations and India's first global billion-dollar IT company.

The Premier will visit another equally prestigious institution, the Indian Institute of Science (IISc) in Bangalore. Ratan Tata happens to be the president of the court of IISc.

"China is the world's largest manufacturing centre in the world. In fact, it is the world's largest factory. India is home to the world's largest software professionals, the world's largest office for information technology.

“I will be very happy if the office and factory can join together," Sun Yuxi, China's Ambassador to India told Indiatimes News Network.

TCS was the first Indian software company to open a wholly owned foreign enterprise (WOFE) in China.


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Makes one seriously wonder if technology growth in the US is actually benefiting from the importation of H1 class visas personnel. We are not training our own, while American business puts out the red carpet for foreigners who learn our business practices, returning to India with those sharpened skills.

Is this a 'how to make America a better place' for children who know only one national allegiance - the country of their birth?

1 posted on 03/31/2005 2:19:11 AM PST by Robert Drobot
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To: Robert Drobot

Scary, isn't it? America will be forced to pay for not taking heed. But that'll be a long while away.


2 posted on 03/31/2005 2:27:14 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Robert Drobot
landmark visit and later what would transpire in the Capital bound to bring bonhomie in the Sino-India relations.

The last time this happened, a lot of Indian soldiers died defending India's borders.

I hope the politicians in New Delhi don't have their heads stuck in their rear ends this time.

3 posted on 03/31/2005 2:30:30 AM PST by Moorings
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To: Moorings

Of course they won't . India places China as its greatest threat. They dedicated their nukes to the Chinese, officially. Any alliance with the US, will have China in mind.


4 posted on 03/31/2005 2:34:28 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
If I were in the Government of India, I would be demanding an apology from China for their invasion. But then again thats why I will not make it as a politician.

If the situation was reversed and China was the one attacked back then, I am sure they will be huffing and puffing, and demanding an apology from India.

5 posted on 03/31/2005 3:01:06 AM PST by Moorings
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To: Robert Drobot

The Chinese are our 21st Century slaves. The people work for next to nothing and we give their overseers bits of paper that go down in value and never will be paid in goods and services. When we're through with them, we'll pull the rug out from under their economy and move on to use somebody else.

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!


6 posted on 03/31/2005 3:07:26 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: Moorings

This is not very widely known that in 1987 China had pumped in a huge number of insurgents (armed men of the PLA) into Indian territory ......to test our defences. The Indian response was swift and surgical. The PLA turned back immidiately.
Soon after the incident they wanted to have a treaty with India for reduction of troops in the Indo-Chinese border.

After 1998 Pokhran II the Chinese have become ever more friendlier. Not that they can be trusted but we Indians know very well the reason behind this sudden Chinese cordiality.

As far as trust is concerned even the US hasn't scored much with this F-16 fiasco.


7 posted on 03/31/2005 3:08:10 AM PST by Gengis Khan ("There is no glory in incomplete action." -- Gengis Khan)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
You forgot the 'sarcasm off' tag. I pray that you weren't deliberate in doing that.
8 posted on 03/31/2005 3:10:54 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

"we'll pull the rug out from under their economy and move on to use somebody else"

Now the paradox here is that as your industries move over to China it will be all that difficult for you to pull the rug coz all your own weight will be on the rug.

And the Chinese will have the last laugh.


9 posted on 03/31/2005 3:13:14 AM PST by Gengis Khan ("There is no glory in incomplete action." -- Gengis Khan)
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To: Gengis Khan
And the Chinese will have the last laugh.

I used to think nuclear war with Red China was inevitably.
Now I'm not so sure.
Why should they risk war, when they will be able to destroy us
economically if they are patient?

10 posted on 03/31/2005 3:21:27 AM PST by trickyricky
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To: CarrotAndStick
America is taking heed.

President George Bush called up Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on the evening of March 25 to inform him that the US had decided to supply F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, in an interview to The Washington Post, "dismissed concerns" about the fallout of the American decision.

I am not sure what the outcome will be but it looks as though we are about take up the Muslim side in this conflict.

11 posted on 03/31/2005 3:28:16 AM PST by raybbr
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If people don't want the jobs, what do you expect?

You can't make someone go to school or learn a trade.

Do so would actually resemble work...


12 posted on 03/31/2005 3:30:32 AM PST by DB (©)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Dr. Evil?


14 posted on 03/31/2005 4:34:32 AM PST by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Wait till the Chinese turn their Dollar reserves to Euros, and sell off thier US Treasury Bonds. Er.. any economist here wanna comment?


15 posted on 03/31/2005 5:59:50 AM PST by ekidsohbelaas (moi? français? Seulement avec ma petite amie!)
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To: Robert Drobot

"Makes one seriously wonder if technology growth in the US is actually benefiting from the importation of H1 class visas personnel."

I tend to think yes, on the whole. I've met many, many Indians on H1B. They are the best and brightest in India, and they come to the US to work, where we benefit from their talent. Most of the engineers I've met are hard-working, honest people with families whose attitudes are fairly conservative. Many of them are also seeking permanent residency and US citizenship... legally, not by sneaking in through the desert in the dead of night.

Strangely enough, in India they are worried about the brain drain of exporting their best and brightest to the US.


16 posted on 03/31/2005 6:14:04 AM PST by adam_az (UN out of the US! - http://www.moveamericaforward.org/?Page=Petition)
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Let's see, since independence India has been an anti-American puppet for whomever wants to pull its strings. Then we're best friends and Dubwa wants to make them a superpower, but the sale of 30-year old fighters to Pakistan sends India into China's arms and rekindles another 'stop the American hegemon' drive.

Detente with India lasted a whole, what, 2 months?

17 posted on 03/31/2005 6:33:59 AM PST by struwwelpeter
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Sorry,go & read up on Indo-US ties from Independence to 1965 when ties(on the ground) were far stronger than it is now.About selling fighters to Pakistan,well,IF I were a Chinese general,id be real happy,esp if they have AMRAAMs,so I could take a nice close look at them.While Pakistan are recieving those 2 dozen F-16s,they will be getting over a 100 fighters from China & 2 will open a joint deepwater port in Pakistan by the forthnight.India & China will never be allies,till they settle their dispute(s) & till China abandons Pakistan.Both are unlikely to happen anytime soon.Pakistan's importance to China has grown ,not just with relevance to India,but also strategic ties to Tehran.


18 posted on 03/31/2005 6:57:38 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Robert Drobot; GOP_1900AD; A. Pole; bvw; chimera; ALOHA RONNIE; maui_hawaii
All this is being paid for by the World's Greatest Market.

And both the "Factory" and the "Office" laugh all the way to the bank at our SUCKERs in the Free Trade Movement.

The congruence of interests between the two titans should be alarming.

19 posted on 03/31/2005 10:41:12 AM PST by Paul Ross (We have sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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Don't worry,India & China won't be close to anything resembling an alliance any time soon.The boundary disputes as well as Chinese actions in Tibet & support to Pakistan are vexing issues & most of the sugartalk has been from Beijing.The economic ties will improve,given the commonality of interests between the 2 as far as the new trade regime is concerned,but that can also spiral into rivalry.That rivalry is clearly visible as far oil resources & rights to exploration in Africa & Central Asia are concerned.


20 posted on 03/31/2005 11:17:22 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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