[anniegetyourgun]

"This is a case of throwing away a disabled person."

Undeniable truth.

[conserv13]

Yes. We were in communication with them this morning by phone, and they were then on their way over here, actually, when we heard the news of Terri’s passing,

It had been rumored here that her husband did not allow Terri's parents to be in the room when she died. Turns out that was not true.

[Cicero]

It can't be said to often that Terri was killed. Not only was she deprived of the feeding tube, which is not considered an "extraordinary" measure to keep patients alive, but she was deprived of water when it has been well established that she is capable of swallowing.

It was not tested, because Michael Schiavo would not permit it, but most likely she could have been kept alive by feeding her with broths and other nourishing fluids, even without the feeding tube. And that ability to swallow could probably have been further developed if Michael Schiavo had not ordered that all rehabilitation must cease and that she should never be given anything to swallow.

[Bones75]

A piece of paper cannot interpret itself. People can begin arguing over what a piece of paper says, just as they can argue over what people said to them verbally. The best thing is to have a living person who knows you, whom you trust, whom you’ve discussed these issues with, and who then, when you are in medical circumstances in which you cannot speak for yourself, that person can get, from the doctors, the exact details of what can be done for you, and then in consultation with the clergy of their choice, make the proper decision at those moments.

Apparently, that's exactly what happened here, Father, with all due respect.

Bones

[ptlurking]

Father Pavone is the best spokesman I have seen so far regarding this case. He was on the Today show yesterday before Terri's passing and was most convincing.

I noticed this morning the Today show only had Michael Schiavo's attorney on. He said Terri's brother had to be restrained by police. There was no rebuttal guest from the Schindler family.

I wish the Today show would have asked Father Pavone as a rebuttal guest to that weasel lawyer.

[diamond6]

I've posted this on a couple other threads:

Who Will Remember Terri?
By JAMES TARANTO
April 1, 2005; Page A10


"Joe Ford, a Harvard undergraduate with severe cerebral palsy: "Like many others with disabilities, I believe that the American public, to one degree or another, holds that disabled people are better off dead. To put it in a simpler way, many Americans are bigots. A close examination of the facts of the Schiavo case reveals not a case of difficult decisions but a basic test of this country's decency."

[syriacus]

a healthcare proxy--namely, a person who can speak for you, if you are in a situation where you can’t speak for yourself--is much better than having a piece of paper

I agree.

I don't think judges and doctors can be relied upon to understand and follow your written orders.

Choose an agent to speak for you in the case that you are incapacitated. (You can draw up an ordered list of people to speak for you).

[HarleyLady27]

I think this 'husband' is so cunning he has well scripted the whole thing, as it was reported last night on Hannity and Colmbs, he stayed at the hospice center since her feeding tube was pulled out; he was there everytime her mother and father and family came to visit her 'at their time' and had to wait for him to leave the room; and he had it planned to be there 'when his loving wife died'; he's a jerk and if he isn't fooling anyone but himself and that attorney of his is a death attorney, he's nuttier than Michael!

[Salvation]

BTTT!

[murphE]

Fr. Pavone bump

Priests for Life

[little jeremiah]

ping to self for later pingout.

[bigbob]

This is a case of throwing away a disabled person.

Exactly so. Imagine she had just been a paraplegic and unable to eat or drink by herself, but stated that her will was not to be fed through a feeding tube. Would they have allowed her to die? The only difference is the mechanism of providing food and water. Ultimately this comes down to making life or death decisions based on the degree of mental function, and that's a very slippery slope.

[Aquinasfan]

Q: Was their any sign of response from Terri Schiavo?

PAVONE: Yes. And let me tell you, I’ll preface that by saying I visited with her several times before the feeding tube was removed. She was very responsive--closing her eyes when I said, “Let’s pray together, Terri,” opening them up after the prayer. Smiling, returning the kiss of her father. Turning her eyes to me when I spoke to her. In many other ways, as well, responsive.

The truth can only be suppressed for so long.

[Regulator]

PAVONE: Certainly amazingly-time reflexes

I hate to be the schoolmarm here, but what he said was amazingly timed reflexes

It was a brilliant and caustic statement which exposed the ludicrous idea that Terri Schindler was some sort of "vegetative life" unworthy of being considered a human being.

She was conscious throughout her ordeal, and screaming inside for her parents - anyone - to help her.

But a thug state run by madmen could only laugh at her helplessness, as they enjoyed the cruelty of their verdict.

[Siobhan]

A bump for Fr. Pavone.

[Eva]

That someone at a lower level of functioning can just be starved to death? That, of course, is the bigger question here. This is not just a death. This is a killing.

I had a thought on this statement regarding prisoners serving a life sentence without chance of parole. Since society has agreed that their lives are unproductive, can we now refuse to feed them? How 'bout if we follow Bill O'Reilly's recommendation and send such prisoners to the work in the ANWR, only now we could refuse to provide food, or any weapons for hunting.

[murphE]

It amazes me that you posting an article of the statements of a good and holy priest, facts which can be supported by his whole life, is used as a vehicle by moral relativists to attempt to defend the indefensible acts of Michael Shiavo and Felos. [sigh]

thanks for posting it anyway.

[shhrubbery!]

Father Pavone also exposed the Felos lie that Terri was dying a "peaceful, calm, serene" death.

In response to a question (I think from Alan Colmes) regarding Felo's pretty-pretty description of the death scene, Father Pavone got pretty agitated.

He said Terri's last minutes were "anything but" peaceful and serene. He said Terri appeared to be gasping desperately for breath, and that the expression on her face was one of "fear." Terri's brother and sister were stroking her arm and her hair and trying to comfort her.

Father Pavone used the word "sugar-coating" to describe Felos's portrayal of Terri's death.

[Dominick]

However, the solution is broader than that. We do have, here, a classic case of the question of throwing away disabled people. This woman was killed. She didn’t die of a terminal illness. She was killed, and it is a matter, therefore, of conscience, right now, for us all to ask: “Is this what we are going to continue to do with brain-injured people?” Because, whether they have expressed their wishes or not, obviously it can result in their death, as has happened today.

Much broader issues. I think the thing we all agree is she was injured, and she did not deserve this, and her killing was a grave injustice. More importantly, how are we going to prevent this in the future? Florida Statue 765.101 (10) must be amended. Call you state legislature and get it done. Being outraged is not enough.

Quote:
765.101 (10) "Life-prolonging procedure" means any medical procedure, treatment, or intervention, including artificially provided sustenance and hydration, which sustains, restores, or supplants a spontaneous vital function.

[the invisib1e hand]

In Honor of Terri Schiavo.

Please let load -- it's 11 mb.

Have headphones or sound on.