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Getting Away with Murder by Death - (If this doesn't scare you, nothing will)
JEWISH WORLD REVIEW.COM ^ | APRIL 1, 2005 | Drs. Michael A. Glueck & Robert J. Cihak

Posted on 04/01/2005 6:56:34 PM PST by CHARLITE

Terri Schiavo is not the first innocent victim of murder sanctioned by judicial fiat, although the heroic efforts of her parents alerted the world about her heartbreaking death sentence.

Almost four decades ago, the fallacious concept of "brain death" was introduced to pry open the legal doors to the killing of another group of unnoticed innocents — people who agree to donate their vital organs at death.

People are encouraged to consent in writing to allow another person to benefit from their vital organs, such as the heart or liver, after they die. Potential donors overcome their discomfort about the procedure by imagining they will be giving away unneeded organs from their cold, lifeless bodies. But the real situation is often quite different.

According to the testimony of Dr. Paul Byrne, a neonatologist from Toledo, Ohio, to a Pontifical Academy of Sciences meeting in Rome in February:

"All the vital signs of the donors are still present prior to the harvesting of organs, such as: normal body temperature and blood pressure; the heart is beating; vital organs, like the liver and kidneys, are functioning; and the donor is breathing with the help of a ventilator."

Since organs deteriorate rapidly after the moment of actual death, the "brain death" fiction allows them to be removed while they are still alive and usable for transplant.

(Excerpt) Read more at jewishworldreview.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: braindead; comatose; death; donors; organ; patients; pvs; transplants; useless
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1 posted on 04/01/2005 6:56:39 PM PST by CHARLITE
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To: GOPattorney

I guess I'll keep my organs to myself. Especially now that we know there are people dying to kill me as early as they can anyway. Shame, because if I knew they were going to try everthing to make me live FIRST, then I wouldn't care. But with Dr. Death running around, forget about it.

"Harvest" someone else dirtbags


3 posted on 04/01/2005 7:15:38 PM PST by ALWAYSWELDING
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To: CHARLITE
Char, this is the only thing you have ever posted that made me just say "Eeeeeewwww," "Yuck."
Oh, BTW has everyone heard the Zogby Report on the Schiavo tragedy?

79% of those surveyed DISAGREED with the removal of Terri's feeding tube. I can't remember how the remaining percentages were split - but it was between: "Agree" and "Not sure," (I think)

That slaps those TV twits who call themselves commentators, and those liberal talking heads, and the Dumocrats who said WE were in the minority. They got it wrong, wrong, wrong again. They just should have looked at the Bush 2004 map and figured the answers from there. Seeeesch! 79% WOW!

4 posted on 04/01/2005 7:17:01 PM PST by CitizenM (An excuse is worse and more terrible than a lie, for an excuse is a lie guarded. Pope John Paul II)
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To: CHARLITE

I think this why prisoners are in the sights of the culture of death.


6 posted on 04/01/2005 7:19:37 PM PST by SaltyJoe (stay in a State of Grace)
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To: CHARLITE
A suggestion: a wrongful-death lawsuit against Michael Schiavo and maybe Judge Greer, alleging denial of due process.

Maybe Mr. Schiavo can be prevented from profiting from killing his wife.

7 posted on 04/01/2005 7:21:11 PM PST by Chairman Fred (@mousiedung.commie)
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To: CHARLITE

I agree, well said by the author.


8 posted on 04/01/2005 7:22:49 PM PST by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: CHARLITE
I have thought donating organs to be a good thing. It is my understanding the catholic church allows it. If what is written here is true, they should not be allowing it.

It sounds like another form of legalized murder. I'll have to do some more reading on it before I would advise people not to do it.

Success stories of organ transplants have always seemed bitter sweet to me. Sweet because a person and especially when it is a child gets a chance at a more or less normal life, bitter because another human had to die for them to have that chance.

9 posted on 04/01/2005 7:25:46 PM PST by Aliska (Theresa Marie Schindler, December 3, 1963 - March 31, 2005, Never Forget)
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To: Chairman Fred
It is my understanding that Terri's parents are permitted 30 days, under the federal law passed for them, to file such suits in federal court. Given the track record of their legal team, we'll see if anyone realizes that.

If they file at the state level, the case will probably be heard by Greer.

10 posted on 04/01/2005 7:26:25 PM PST by ordinaryguy
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To: CHARLITE

New wording on Drivers liscense "Give me nutrition and hydration and leave my organs alone!"


11 posted on 04/01/2005 7:26:37 PM PST by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: CHARLITE

bttt


12 posted on 04/01/2005 7:28:05 PM PST by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: CHARLITE

btttt


13 posted on 04/01/2005 7:32:37 PM PST by Christian4Bush ("In Common" for 1000, Alex: Beached whale, terrorist, juvenile murder 1. "Whom can U not starve?")
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To: CHARLITE

Just as some stories tilt too much one way, this one tilts too much the other way.

One of the doctors who examined Terri's videotapes, was a woman doctor neurologist, whose specialty was exactly to determine who are the patients neurologically so far gone, so that their organs could be harvested. She determined that she would never consider Terri as an organ donor, because she was not in that kind of shape.

This said to me, that doctors do make a neurological assessment and they are fair -- considering her specialty, she could have come down on the side of those who just couldn't wait to kill Terri, but she didn't.

This tells me that doctors making those kinds of life and death decisions, are indeed taking their diagnosis seriously and are fair.

I hope people don't change their minds about being organ donors on account of this story.


14 posted on 04/01/2005 7:34:42 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: Aliska

Aliska, read my post 14, please,for a little more info.


15 posted on 04/01/2005 7:36:02 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: ALWAYSWELDING; CitizenM
This story is actually the theme of Robin Cook's runaway best selling novel from 30 years ago. Do you remember it? COMA! It was also made into a movie. It was set in a hospital which was run by a true "Dr. Death," with "patients" rendered "comatose" by injection, and then warehoused in some secret rooms of the hospital, for "harvesting" when megabucks, paying "patients" ordered up whichever organs they wanted.
16 posted on 04/01/2005 7:36:05 PM PST by CHARLITE (Women are powerful; freedom is beautiful.........and STUPID IS FOREVER!)
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To: FairOpinion; ALWAYSWELDING; CitizenM


17 posted on 04/01/2005 7:39:05 PM PST by CHARLITE (Women are powerful; freedom is beautiful.........and STUPID IS FOREVER!)
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To: CHARLITE
EEG's measure cortical function, not brain stem function. The cortex controls purposeful movement and thought. The brain stem controls basic life support, i.e. lungs, heart, etc. Brain dead is a flat EEG (no cortical function).I think this is medically legit and these guys are wrong about this.

What I can't figure out is how closing your eyes for prayer, laughing at jokes and being glad to see your mother medically proves you have a flat EEG?

18 posted on 04/01/2005 7:45:54 PM PST by lizma
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To: CHARLITE; All

Several years ago there was a movie called "Coma" - everybody should rent that movie. It too will scare the hell out of you - it's about organ donors.


19 posted on 04/01/2005 7:46:09 PM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Christian4Bush; diamond6; eccentric; CitizenM; mjtobias
Here's an interesting post from another article which I posted on News/Activism, but someone moved it to Bloggers & Personal, which I don't understand, because Kerry Marsala is an established, well-known author and not a blogger.

I think that her article will interest you, plus this reply from the poster.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1375822/posts

Section 2 of the constitution of the state of Florida states :

All natural persons, female and male alike, are equal before the law and have inalienable rights, among which are the right to enjoy and defend life and liberty ... No person shall be deprived of any right because of ... physical disability.

Jeb Bush had all the authority he needed to remove Terri from those who would kill her and save her life. Indeed, his oath of office requires it:

I, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support, protect and defend the Constitution and government of the United States and of the state of Florida ...

10 posted on 04/01/2005 6:21:07 PM PST by mjtobias (Our love for Terri was immense; her parents' love was infinite; God's love is everlasting.)

20 posted on 04/01/2005 7:47:16 PM PST by CHARLITE (Women are powerful; freedom is beautiful.........and STUPID IS FOREVER!)
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