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Canada: Election chatter grows amid talk of devastating Gomery testimony( Testimony banned)
Canadian Press ^ | 03/01/05 | Alexander Panetta

Posted on 04/01/2005 10:51:55 PM PST by Pikamax

Election chatter grows amid talk of devastating Gomery testimony

Alexander Panetta Canadian Press

April 1, 2005

Former Prime Minister Jean Chretien arrives back at his office following lunch in Ottawa Friday. New testimony at the Gomery inquiry, that cannot be revealed because of a publication ban, is considered so devastating that it has political parties discussing the possible collapse of the Liberal minority government and an election call. Chretien was Prime Minister during the time of the sponsorship scandal. (CP PHOTO/Tom Hanson)

OTTAWA (CP) - Explosive new testimony before the sponsorship inquiry had political parties banging their election drums Friday and discussing the possible collapse of the minority Liberal government.

The new testimony at the Gomery inquiry cannot be revealed because of a publication ban but is considered so devastating to the Liberal government that it has all parties looking at election scenarios.

As opposition parties eyed a possible election call with mounting enthusiasm, one Liberal MP with a safe seat said he was asked Friday to contact neighbouring ridings where the party needs help organizing local campaigns.

But officials in the Prime Minister's Office said no such instructions had gone out and insisted any election call would be the fault of the opposition.

All parties avoided speculating aloud about the likelihood of a spring campaign, and their silence was about more than just fear of violating the publication ban.

Nobody wants to appear eager for an election campaign now because once the writ is dropped, the government and opposition parties plan to blame each other for dissolving the minority Parliament.

The blame game began quietly Friday as the various actors accused each other of hankering to pull the plug.

"Our election readiness went up 20 per cent today," said one Liberal MP, who asked not to be named.

The accepted wisdom that the opposition Tories and NDP don't want an election since they're still less popular than the Liberals has been turned on its head by the steady stream of revelations before the inquiry headed by Justice John Gomery.

The Bloc Quebecois has sounded most willing to fight an election, and could easily topple the government if supported by the other parties in a confidence vote this month.

But the Liberal MP predicted the minority government would survive the spring because, he said, the parties will likely strike a deal on a critical budget vote.

Conservatives warned privately, however, that even if the budget bill passes this month, another legislative tool like a non-confidence motion could be used to trigger an election.

Nobody would say that publicly.

The Tory justice critic, well aware that the punishment for violating a publication ban includes possible jail time, had little to offer.

"All I can say is that given what was said yesterday (Thursday before Gomery) the political landscape may be changing quite rapidly," MP Vic Toews said.

That changing landscape was evident as Prime Minister Paul Martin and Conservative Leader Stephen Harper both spent the day in British Columbia, which will be a key battleground in any future election campaign.

Both men refused to be drawn into speculation when asked whether Thursday's testimony would be grounds for an election.

Before making any decision, Harper and his officials must first find out when the publication ban will be lifted on testimony delivered Thursday by Montreal ad executive Jean Brault.

The ban could theoretically be lifted at any time but depends largely on developments in Brault's own criminal-fraud trial.

Lawyers for the former Groupaction boss appeared in a Montreal courtroom asking that his trial be delayed until September. A decision is expected next Wednesday.

The NDP accused the Liberals of planning to orchestrate their own defeat in Parliament so they can rush into a campaign now, before additional revelations come before the sponsorship inquiry.

By loading the budget bill with a Kyoto accord measure sure to be opposed by the Tories, Martin is trying to force his own defeat, said an NDP strategist.

"The government is precipitating its own demise," said one NDP strategist.

"If Paul Martin had not played games with Kyoto, there would not be a problem.

"This is not the opposition parties ganging up on Paul Martin. This is Paul Martin playing funny games."

Martin and his closest aides held meetings and conference calls Friday to discuss the budget bill and sponsorship fallout, sources said.

They would not comment on speculation they might strip down the budget bill to remove the Kyoto component, which involved broadening the Canadian Environmental Protection Act.

But they were preparing to blame Harper for any writ drop in the near future.

"The Canadian people do not want an election," said Martin spokesman Scott Reid.

"The government does not want an election. The only leader who has spoken about the possibility of an election is Stephen Harper."

The Liberals were also preparing to insulate their leader against attacks that will inevitably flow from the sponsorship testimony.

Any sins committed happened under Jean Chretien's administration and cannot be linked to Martin, said one strategist close to the prime minister.

"You will not see anybody identified with the Paul Martin team involved in any of the accusations put forward," he said.

"Because that's not how the Paul Martin team works."

In another rehearsal of a possible Liberal election theme, the strategist said Conservatives could end up killing the Gomery inquiry if they topple the government.

The inquiry and its daily attacks on the Liberal reputation should be suspended during an election campaign, he suggested.

But one inquiry official diputed the notion that the inquiry would automatically shut down because of a writ drop.

"Only a government decree would put an end to the commission," said Gomery spokesman Francois Perreault.

"Until that time the commission will continue - whether or not there's an election."


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: adscam; canuckistan
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To: JudyinCanada
Sorry to rain on any parades, but I keep my optimism in check up here.

OK Judy, but you'll have to buy me a beer when we form the next Government by November at the latest.

I'll buy you one if The corrupt Mr. Dithers is still in power by then. Deal?

21 posted on 04/02/2005 12:52:58 PM PST by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Pikamax

I wonder if an American broke this story on an American website like Free Republic, if that American would have to deal with legal implications in Canada. Or if he would care if he did.


22 posted on 04/02/2005 1:21:44 PM PST by Entropy Squared (The Rush to Chaos)
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To: MeekOneGOP
Your opinions would be welcomed here.
23 posted on 04/02/2005 1:26:13 PM PST by Entropy Squared (The Rush to Chaos)
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To: Entropy Squared
bump!


24 posted on 04/02/2005 1:30:50 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: fanfan

Hey fanfan...

Deal.

If the liberals are ousted, I will buy you a CASE of beer, a bag of nachos, some dip, and a noise-maker.

It would be such a glorious day. There is nothing quite so satisfying as seeing a smug, arrogant, elitist, pompous, jack-ass receiving his just desserts.

Let the games begin.


25 posted on 04/02/2005 1:35:19 PM PST by JudyinCanada (I can't wait, the dream is coming true and I will stand in front of the box to put my heart into it.)
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To: Entropy Squared

How would such an American get the details of this inquiry? I would assume a publication ban would keep the facts from getting to anyone who might want to expose our mighty rulers.


26 posted on 04/02/2005 1:39:15 PM PST by JudyinCanada (I can't wait, the dream is coming true and I will stand in front of the box to put my heart into it.)
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To: MeekOneGOP

NYTIMES had this, dunno how old it is.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/03/international/americas/03quebec.html?pagewanted=print&position=


An investigative commission led by Justice John Gomery, which started its work a year ago, has been holding televised hearings in Montreal over the last several weeks, drawing out a litany of private greed and government waste. The province has paid rapt attention; French-language news channels reported a tripling of ratings and added new programming to cover the inquiry into the money flow.

According to recent testimony, an advertising agency owner who is a large donor to the Liberal Party received federal contracts, from which he paid himself, his wife and two children salaries of millions of dollars.

While his firm double-billed Ottawa for work on a stamp promotion campaign, the owner, Jean Lafleur, tried to claim a $1,000 fishing rod, bought as a gift, as a business expense incurred on the government's behalf.

In his testimony in Montreal, Mr. Lafleur said he could not remember who his fishing companion was. But in previous testimony, he disclosed that he had gone on fishing trips with a former federal justice minister as well as a senior government bureaucrat who was in charge of the controversial sponsorship program.

"Gomery is just the tip of the iceberg," said Michel C. Auger, a columnist for Le Journal de Montréal, a local daily. "The iceberg is, politics are not working anymore."


27 posted on 04/02/2005 1:44:33 PM PST by Pikamax
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To: geedee
Why in the hell would ANY citizen or country want to be part of a Parliamentary system? I'm older'n dirt . . . and I've been asking this question my whole, stupid life. Forgive me, I just don't comprende.

I'm wondering why WE set up one in Iraq instead of modelling their interim government on our own? Must be those foggy bottom people who like foreign law more than our own. Thanks for listening to my rant :-)
28 posted on 04/02/2005 2:01:23 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: JudyinCanada

My friend's brother-in-law's third cousin is willing to let Americans in on this information. Of course the guy wouldn't let Canadians know how corrupt their government is, that would be against Canadian law. But it's a gray area whether or not it is against Canadian law to inform Americans about how corrupt the Canadian government is.


29 posted on 04/02/2005 2:02:26 PM PST by Entropy Squared (The Rush to Chaos)
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To: Entropy Squared

Bump


30 posted on 04/02/2005 2:47:20 PM PST by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: conservative in nyc
Why is there a publication ban on testimony that may topple the government?

We Canadians call it "freedom of speech and of the press".

It's the Canadian way.

31 posted on 04/02/2005 4:57:58 PM PST by Allan
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To: Pikamax

The cat is out of the bag:

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/004220.php


32 posted on 04/02/2005 5:05:08 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian (.)
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To: goldstategop; Straight Vermonter
There's been nothing like it in Canadian history

Not true. The Gun Registry scandal is much worse.

The Liberals only stole a couple hundred million in Adscam
but got more than a billion in the Gun Registry heist.

33 posted on 04/02/2005 5:12:51 PM PST by Allan
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To: Allan

The HRDC boondoggle was also in excess of $1 billion...and the gun registry is probably closer to $2 billion now


34 posted on 04/02/2005 5:45:44 PM PST by Heartofsong83
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To: Pikamax
Publication ban, my aching ass!

Those arrogant ninnies need some serious exposure to the real world.

35 posted on 04/02/2005 5:50:52 PM PST by pointsal
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To: goldstategop

Jean Brault, the weeping weenie, cannot stand up in a strong light....


36 posted on 04/02/2005 5:55:03 PM PST by pointsal
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To: Allan
Do you not have the equivalent of the fifth amendment? Did Mr. Brault have to answer questions posed at the inquiry? Was he granted immunity? Why not have a closed session instead of a publication ban?

I read the Captain Ed's story of the proceedings. This testimony is truly explosive. If it comes out through the Internet or at trial, the Liberals may be sunk.
37 posted on 04/02/2005 5:58:29 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc; JudyinCanada
If it comes out through the Internet or at trial, the Liberals may be sunk.

Not true. Judy is correct. Read post #20.

Canadians (other than Quebecois, and especially in Ontario) will vote for Liberals no matter what happens.

Liberals truly represent the average Canadian.

They represent the best in Canadian society.

38 posted on 04/02/2005 6:21:19 PM PST by Allan
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To: Allan
After the last election, I'm as pessimistic as you about the CPC winning an outright majority of seats in Parliament. The numbers just aren't there. It will be virtually impossible for the Conservative Party to win an outright majority without picking up some ridings in Quebec, which isn't going to happen. They'd need to pick up a bunch of Toronto-are 905 ridings and do a little better in Atlantic Canada (which also isn't very likely).

But the Liberals CAN lose some of the 21 seats they have in Quebec to the Bloc. Add that to changes in a few Ontario ridings to the CPC or NDP, and you're looking at the CPC having the most seats and the Bloc as king makers.
39 posted on 04/02/2005 6:46:21 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: goldstategop

I am wondering if provinces like alberta will now seriously speak of joining the USA?


40 posted on 04/02/2005 6:49:51 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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