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My Pregnant Wife: An Unexpected Target in the Culture Wars
Vanity ^ | 2 Apr 05 | gobucks

Posted on 04/02/2005 4:36:04 AM PST by gobucks

"Don't you dare guilt your wife into having a natural childbirth!", I am told by a nice woman I know at church. I have known this lady for some time, and we have never talked politics. Suddenly, my wife is hot political topic #1. And though the politics are 'under the radar', my wife is clearly a target in the ongoing cultural war.

Until my wife started to dramatically enlarge during this last trimester, comments like these had been few. Now, it is a torrent. "What hospital? What OB? You are getting an epidural, right? What brand of formula do you plan to use (as if we will collapse immediately into the arms of the Enfamil salesman)? You are not going to breast feed too long, are you? Are you on a waiting list yet for infant day care?"

My wife and I, married over 10 years with all kinds of issues associated with getting pregnant are about to be parents of a boy in a few weeks. We are of course, thrilled and overjoyed.

But the political overtones of how we bring him into the world are just unreal. The unending stream of opinion and advice about it, with over 95 percent of it being something like this: "don't be stupid. Get the epidural." We have yet to have a single woman report to us that having her baby in a fully undrugged state was a good idea.

Why is labor today so terrifying for women? Why is it that husbands are being taught that encouraging a woman to experience a full unmedicated delivery is akin to treating her like a barbarian? Heck, I've told my wife I am not the one having the baby, and thus, I'm not about to dictate to her how it should be done; I simply said I like the idea of natural childbirth and that is it. Why is this so politically incorrect? Why are hordes of women pouring out of the woodwork yelling at us to make sure she gets the drugs, the epidural?

What the heck is going on such that bringing a child into the world has to be so .... upsetting?

And these are women at my church! I can just imagine what a hapless secular woman in some lonely cul-de-sac must endure.

I'm a typical Chistian man with a very pregnant wife. I have an atypical enthusiasm for most things associated with FreeRepublic. I'm looking for reports from any of you husbands (or their wives) out there have experienced the kind of unreal cultural pressure my wife and I have undergone as this last trimester winds down.

I have googled around, looking for articles about this - and it is just about nada. Mostly stuff on teen pregnancy and abortion. Zilch regarding ordinary married folks who are being pressured to have a 'modern' birth experience.

I'm I the only one who is seeing how a pregnant woman is somehow a political lightning rod these days?


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To: gobucks
It's about what is best and safest for the baby and your wife.

It is not about using your child's birth to make a political statement from any perspectives.

I remember when hippies tried to drop them like Indian squaws in a tepee and then ate the placenta. Not for me.

I am father to 4 and was there for all four births.

Two were Cesarean and two were vaginal with epidural. Actually the Cesareans were epidural anesthesia as well.

My first daughter woulda died without an emergency Cesarean.

Do not let anyone tell you that sex late term cannot cause water break and labour....it can. My ex-wife's water broke immediately after coitus and she was 10 weeks early. My daughter weighed 2 pounds.

I strongly suggest concentrating only on the health and safety of mother and child and to have a good OB at least close by.

Good Luck.
361 posted on 04/02/2005 4:18:14 PM PST by wardaddy ("Finally!, A Man Worth Killing!")
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To: Lancey Howard
By the way, I read a report some years ago that babies born by c-section end up with higher IQs than babies born the normal way. I don't know about that, but c-section babies sure look nicer right after birth - - their heads aren't all out of shape.
Dad, is that you? My dad used to say the same thing about c-section babies. (I was one) All my children have been born naturally and each one had a very round head.
362 posted on 04/02/2005 4:20:05 PM PST by HungarianGypsy (Walk Softly, For a Dream is Born)
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I'm not sure where this notion of epidurals and drugged babies comes from.

All 4 of mine came into this world through an epidural belly or vagina and they all screamed bloody hell like they were supposed to and squirmed and carried on and I never heard one nurse or Doc say one thing about the baby appearing drugged.

An epidural applies a numbing (not intoxicating agent) to the spine...does it not?

now back when I was born in the dark ages, they gave morphine or even general anesthesia...lol

it's amusing to hear that someone is being pressured to go epidural and that there are political overtones to that.

in my peer group, it's the opposite.....the no-make-up types lean on gals to go natural.

I'm in a middle to upper middle professional part of Nashville FWIW


363 posted on 04/02/2005 4:28:22 PM PST by wardaddy ("Finally!, A Man Worth Killing!")
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To: cyborg

Are the same anti-epidural folks here anti-Petosin as well?

Some folks get a bit self absorbed about being a conduit to life in my view.


364 posted on 04/02/2005 4:30:51 PM PST by wardaddy ("Finally!, A Man Worth Killing!")
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To: wardaddy

I need to reread the thread but I wouldn't look down on a woman for getting an epidural. Some women just can't handle the pain. I heard it's like the very worst pms cramps times 100 so I'm not criticizing :o)


365 posted on 04/02/2005 4:36:33 PM PST by cyborg (Feel the FReeper Love)
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To: cyborg

I remember my mom having my 12 years younger little brother.

Twenty hours labour....rough.

I think quick and less painful and stressful births are best for baby and mom....just my opinion.

And I have witnessed a baby in distress unable to tolerate the rigors of a "tepee birth" no matter ho cool mom and dad mighta thought it would be.

Birthtime is mighty unpredictable and I would not eschew medical advancements.

I mean think about it.

Why do so few babies and moms die at childbirth now?

Because of prompt medical care including all advancements.

Not because of "natural" childbirth.....there was a time "natural" had a 10% death rate.

My great X2 grandpa outlived 3 wives through childbirth deaths "naturally" and had 23 children. The last gal outlived him.


366 posted on 04/02/2005 4:43:08 PM PST by wardaddy ("Finally!, A Man Worth Killing!")
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To: wardaddy

I would prefer to have my baby at home with a midwife but I certainly don't condemn medical advancements or doctors who do it. Hospitals and doctors are a good thing.


367 posted on 04/02/2005 4:45:34 PM PST by cyborg (Feel the FReeper Love)
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To: cyborg; beaversmom
I heard it's like the very worst pms cramps times 100 so I'm not criticizing :o)

That's exactly why I went with an epidural the first time around. I used to have those cramps so bad as a teenager I would have to check out of school. My mom always told me my cramps were worse than her labors. So when they told me that labor was just like having cramps you better believe I signed up for that epidural. Good thing I did. After 24 hours of labor I ended up with a c-section.

368 posted on 04/02/2005 4:53:25 PM PST by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: TXBubba

Wow! I'm rethinking this childbirth thing :o)


369 posted on 04/02/2005 4:54:28 PM PST by cyborg (Feel the FReeper Love)
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To: Bushforlife

Allow me to gloat as you prove my very point.
Midwife takes your bucks and you don't like it.


370 posted on 04/02/2005 4:55:55 PM PST by mabelkitty
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To: cyborg

Well, I went on and had another one! :D


371 posted on 04/02/2005 4:56:35 PM PST by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: TXBubba

masochist you :-)


372 posted on 04/02/2005 4:57:41 PM PST by cyborg (Feel the FReeper Love)
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To: Bushforlife
You are a misogynist.
You won't do well in your career, as women have taken over the profession.
Or maybe that is why you are.
Got a lady-boss?
373 posted on 04/02/2005 4:59:27 PM PST by mabelkitty
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To: Bushforlife

And yet your replies have been riddled with abuse to those whose opinions (and motives) differ from yours.
Too late to readjust your vitriole.


374 posted on 04/02/2005 5:02:28 PM PST by mabelkitty
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To: Tax-chick

James has that Marlon-Brando Godfather hand-gesture down cold! Too funny.


375 posted on 04/02/2005 5:07:58 PM PST by mabelkitty
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To: mabelkitty

He was going blibble-blibble-blibble with his lips, and the photographer caught him just as he moved his hand away.


376 posted on 04/02/2005 5:11:16 PM PST by Tax-chick (Do not fear the words of a sinner, for his splendor will turn into dung and worms.)
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To: Mad Dawg
AM1776 said do not be so smug, because if you get in a tight, in the delievery....and you need medical help...you just might change your attitude.

Gobucks said Heck, I've told my wife I am not the one having the baby, and thus, I'm not about to dictate to her how it should be done; I simply said I like the idea of natural childbirth and that is it.

The Smugness came in think women in his church did not have some idea about what they are talking about, when it comes to childbirth. And by the question, that he asked " Why is it that husbands are being taught that encouraging a woman to experience a full unmedicated delivery is akin to treating her like a barbarian?"

Mad Dawg SAID:

So, if things get tight, gobucks might start dictating to his wife about how the childbirth should proceed? He's smug because he's told her the decision is hers?

Seriously, what did gobucks say that deserves his being characterized as being "so smug"?

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To gobucks, one more time....when your wife is in childbirth and you are sitting at her bedside , while she grimaces in pain of Childbirth....when she looks up at you....and you are pain free..that is when men begin to look Barbarians :-)

377 posted on 04/02/2005 5:26:58 PM PST by AmericanMade1776
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To: Bushforlife
"My wife reports that stones hurt worse than childbirth without drugs, from personal experience. It's all perceptual and individual."

You are right pain is individual and pains are different. Kidney stones are very painful when passing. When in I was in the pain of passing a kidney stone and was crying at the Doctors, he told me not to worry, he had seen grown men faint from Kidney stone pain.

378 posted on 04/02/2005 5:33:16 PM PST by AmericanMade1776
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To: Bushforlife
My wife and I had "No drugs" on all charts and reports. That didn't stop every hospital employee who came in the door from offering!
My wife wanted me to make a sign and put on the door.
And couple of words on the sign were to include "stick", "sun" and "shine"!
My perceptions are truthful and real life experiences and ANYONE that tries to discount them has an alliterative motive.
379 posted on 04/02/2005 5:55:03 PM PST by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: gobucks

Natural childbirth is fine. I had four, and only had one shot of Demerol with the very first, because the labor was very fast.

Tell your wife to breastfeed as long as she wants. It isn't anyone else's business.

Lastly, beware the "midwives". I had a wonderful doctor in CA, she let me labor in any postition I wanted.

With the fourth, I had a "midwife" in GA due to a move. They weren't nearly as "natural" as the doctor.

I have a great book about unnecessary interventions by Constance Somebody, but we just moved and I can't find it.
The best suggestions in the book are to think CAREFULLY before every "procedure", because they increase the likelihood of a caesarian and to write a birth plan and make sure your doctor and the hospital agree to YOUR wishes.


380 posted on 04/02/2005 6:16:12 PM PST by Politicalmom (Don't retire to Florida. They murder their "useless eaters".)
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