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Evidence... (re: Terri Schiavo)
02-April-2005 | Ron Pickrell

Posted on 04/02/2005 10:11:31 AM PST by pickrell

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1 posted on 04/02/2005 10:11:32 AM PST by pickrell
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To: pickrell

Two comments.

1. I lost a $20 bet (for me that's a lot of money) because I thought clintoons would never be re-elected since I mistakenly thought the American people had awaken for a deep, drug-induced sleep and started smelling the manure being shoveled at them.

2. Terry Schiavo's autopsy won't be worth a tinker's damn if there aren't independent observers to ensure the ME, and there should be an independent ME, doesn't get paid under the table by Mikey & his atty. As noted, Mikey plans to cremate the one piece of evidence, like he planned and executed the only witness to his crime, and scatter the one piece of evidence to the 4 winds in another state so that no one can gather the evidence for later tests as new technology becomes available.


2 posted on 04/02/2005 10:35:31 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: pickrell

For eight years in the 1990's, the Clinton Administration passionately chose to implement a policy of intimidation of those who would represent a threat to.. Bill Clinton. For eight years in the 1990's, the Clinton Administration focused on a policy of assigning penetration agents to ferret out, steal, and destroy evidence which could expose... Bill Clinton.
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Right on -- just review some history:

http://www.hench.net/BillsKills.htm

Too bad we can't interview Vince Foster and Ron Brown, just for openers...


3 posted on 04/02/2005 10:43:19 AM PST by EagleUSA (Q)
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To: pickrell

A Wee bit wordy,perhaps,but nonetheless,worth reading. :^)


4 posted on 04/02/2005 10:44:53 AM PST by smoothsailing (Qui Nhon)
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To: pickrell
... the autopsy [may] reveal that Terri's brain was so devastated that 80 percent is found to be the "shattered goo" so prominently offered as the reason to strip from her her right to life ...

I missed that part of the Constitution -- the part that says that anyone with less than 20% non-goo brain is not a person. That any person with only 1/5th left may be slaughtered at will.

Why did I miss it? Because it is NOT there.

Terri was murdered. The first duty of any law between men is to stop such murders of innocents.

5 posted on 04/02/2005 10:46:02 AM PST by bvw
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"Those persons who argued about the preeminence of the Right to Life must try to understand and at least accept the honorable motives of those well-reasoned arguments against further weakening the right of States to decide those cases where 'issues and powers not specifically allotted to the Federal Government are thereby reserved to the States, and to the people'."

Whether it observes the niceties of "federalism" or whatever, government isn't worth a damn if it doesn't protect the life of the innocent.

Government is actually evil if it is used as the tool to murder the innocent.


6 posted on 04/02/2005 11:00:02 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: pickrell

Very thoughtful and well done analysis. I think the Schiavo case may transcend merely matters of evidence. There are large questions about who we are as a nation, and who we want to be.

Should hydration and nutrition be considered artificial life support?

Absent written directives, should hearsay testimony be sufficient to determine life or death wishes?

Should the State have absolute authority to order the death of a citizen without a de novo Federal appeal, as would be afforded someone convicted of a capital crime?


7 posted on 04/02/2005 11:09:37 AM PST by lonevoice (Vast Right Wing Pajama Party)
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To: bvw

Right on!!! Murder is murder is murder is murder!!! NO ONE is entitled to kill someone just because they can't do everything that someone else can, or because they are unpleasant to look at or be around.
This girl was functioning and she was MURDERED!!! The Judges, the police, the ghoulish lawyer and all others who played roles in the act - yes, even the Hospice workers - are all guilty of wanton murder.


8 posted on 04/02/2005 11:10:35 AM PST by Virginia Queen (Virginia Queen)
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To: Virginia Queen

I greatly appreciate your seconding of that -- today we are a nation where no one who wishes to live is safe. At any moment we may have (G-d forbid) an accident or a sickness that strikes us down into nest of muderers -- murderes who can get away with it under what is now the "law".


9 posted on 04/02/2005 11:17:33 AM PST by bvw
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Suspicious evidence has been there right from the start; It's simply been ignored.

World Net Daily reports:
"Another component of the Schindlers' contention of Schiavo's conflict of interest as Terri's guardian is medical evidence suggesting Terri may have been the victim of physical abuse. The report of a total-body bone scan done on Terri Schiavo while she was in a rehabilitation facility in March 1991 – 13 months after her collapse – describes what are known as "hot spots" suggestive of multiple fractures in her ribs, first lumbar vertebra, several thoracic vertebrae, both sacroiliac joints, and both knees and ankles, all deemed "presumably traumatic." The report states, "the patient has a history of trauma" and "the presumption is that the other multiple areas of abnormal activity ["hot spots"] also relate to previous trauma." It speculates an alternative explanation to trauma would be "neoplastic bone disease."

George W. Greer is derelict in not pursuing the possibility
that Michael Schiavo was responsible for the original 1990
injury. And, while the WND report is purely circumstantial evidence, as I recall, that's all it took to convict Timothy McVeigh.

The x-rays do provide a motive for why he might want to deny her rehabilitive care and for his decision to cremate the body. While she may never have regained the ability to speak, there are other ways to communicate.

Just like Sandi Burger, Michael appears to be destroying everything that could provide the clues as to what really happened to Terri. And, he has had the right help from George W. Greer of the Florida 6th circuit court. The fact that his attorney was instrumental in revising a Florida law that permits only one medical opinion before determining that someone 'wants' to die ssems more than a coincidence to me.





10 posted on 04/02/2005 11:20:57 AM PST by ThelastPatroit
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In Honor of Terri Schiavo.

Please let load -- it's 11 mb.

Have headphones or sound on.

11 posted on 04/02/2005 11:40:05 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (God rest Terri Schiavo. God help us.)
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I respect your objectibve and subdued voce of reason. But, MS made an oral cotract, before GGod, in a church, witnessed by attendees,swearing love and fidelity to Terri UNITL DEATH DO WE PART.

There's evidence of 2 children not borne by Terri. He broke the contract. As the defaulting party, as a matter of law, he was due nothing under the contract- especially guardianship.

Reasonably and thoughtfully, I say that's all the evidence I need to know that he was in the wrong. Judge Greer read the facts one way. What I hope to see is a civil suit with a JURY that may well see the evidence differently.

I don't want to see him physically hurt, I don't want to see him be starved, I don't have to see him dehydrated I just want him brought before a juror of his peers and allow justice to be done.
12 posted on 04/02/2005 12:21:49 PM PST by St.VincentPaul
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To: pickrell

An autopsy will NOT reveal very much, even if Terri's brain is "80% goo" as I would concede it may be.

Only a PET scan could have shown the degree of brain activity, and where it was occurring - whether Terri had "higher brain functions" or not. Persons with even less than 75% brain remaining have been walking around just fine - the remainder of the brain simply compensated for the missing part.

It is too late to do a PET scan --- something that was denied Terri by her "husband" and Judge Greer.


15 posted on 04/02/2005 12:28:27 PM PST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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"..The report states, "the patient has a history of trauma" and "the presumption is that the other multiple areas of abnormal activity ["hot spots"] also relate to previous trauma." It speculates an alternative explanation to trauma would be "neoplastic bone disease...",/i>

Good points. And if these reports can be verifed, and taken out of the realm of "reports", and into the realm of "evidence", then a lot of people are going to have a lot to answer for. Perhaps several in courts of law.

I worry most that reports are heard and then later "contradicted" with no way left to make life-dependent decisions upon them. A price also needs to be attached to those reports which turn out to be bogus... so that more reliance can be laid upon the remaining reports which turn out to be accurate, but which suffer a dilution of impact based upon earlier, debunked reports.

It is easier to try to do the right thing, if you can be sure that what you have heard is true. At least it is for me...

If I seem clinical and detached about the fate of this woman, it is because many, many deaths contnue to occur in the ongoing cultural battle, and while I grieve for this woman, I will also grieve for many other little victims yet unborn, who may be impacted by this and other law. Many folks have enumerated the large questions posed by this "judicial determination that she wanted to die," as well as many other issues of State versus Federal powers of intervention.

16 posted on 04/02/2005 12:44:09 PM PST by pickrell (Old dog, new trick...sort of)
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To: AFPhys
"...An autopsy will NOT reveal very much, even if Terri's brain is "80% goo" as I would concede it may be. Only a PET scan could have shown the degree of brain activity, and where it was occurring - whether Terri had "higher brain functions" or not. Persons with even less than 75% brain remaining have been walking around just fine - the remainder of the brain simply compensated for the missing part...."

A good example of another thing I didn't know, and I suspect a few others didn't also. The question needs to be pressed then as to what prevented such a scan being conducted. As to other's comments that even if no higher brain function was present, that no justification could be found for what was done- I respect your opinion but disagree. I don't think everyone one this forum will agree to any particular thing. Too many diverse viewpoints. But I appreciate that you enumerated yours, and made the points with conviction and clarity.

17 posted on 04/02/2005 12:52:50 PM PST by pickrell (Old dog, new trick...sort of)
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>In a perfect storm of exposure, several pieces of evidence are hitting the kitchen table at the same time . . .


18 posted on 04/02/2005 12:55:23 PM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: pickrell
"they on the other hand will categorically deny that yesterday even happened, if it turns against them."

This is the Stalinist method of "deny everything."

Divining a way through slavery, abortion, and now euthanasia takes both Vision and Faith. The path of Reason knows neither. Reason can speculate with scientific theories, but unless mankind turns to Spiritual exercise, he will never find all the answers to Life's questions. Perhaps "Reason" is the wormwood that poisons human logic. Because of the fall of man we drink this malnourished water and must learn and earn good judgment by experience rather than accept Wisdom by Faith. Reason gave us a great Constitution, but not one perfect enough to avoid the American Civil War. Our hemp document has yet to recognize person-hood. Either an America reborn in Spirit or a newer America elsewhere will now have the "Reason" to not avoid recognizing person-hood in their Constitution. A newer America will probably be a pure or nearly pure Judeo-Christian nation with emphatic laws barring fallacies like: liberal humanism, communism, and criminal activity to promote hedonism (drugs and promiscuity). Even with such, the Judicial aspect of government will always be our Achilles heal. Reasonable justice slaughtered One named Jesus. Until Jesus returns, we'll have to deal with our weak judgment and work harder to make it fair.
19 posted on 04/02/2005 1:05:45 PM PST by SaltyJoe (stay in a State of Grace)
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To: bvw
I agree. It doesn't matter if she had 100% cotton candy for brains. The state of her brain was never the true point.

Michael Schiavo, due to conflict of interest, should have never been allowed to be her guardian after he abandoned her.

Beyond that, Greer should never have ordered her feeding tube removed along with no food or drink through her mouth.

They murdered her, and we all stood by. Will the cover up continue?

20 posted on 04/02/2005 1:47:01 PM PST by ViLaLuz
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