OUTRAGE - (SandyBergerGate.......Clinton's pink panther classified document thief)

Terri Schaivo gets the death penalty. Sandy Berger gets $10K fine and loss of his security clearance for 3 years.

Imagine the outrage if Condi Rice had done the same thing.

Dems can get away with murder, but if a Republican so much as frowns the NY Times will call for his resignation.

Unfortunately, Fat Sandy Burglar has a "Get Out of Jail Free" card. And as long as he keeps his mouth shut he will be taken care of for life by George Soros & Compay.

See what "appropriating" a few FBI files can do for ya...
the Clintoons copied the files and now they have a J.Edgar Hoover insurance policy!

Is this a great country or what! LOL

Does anyone know what type of info was in the stolen and destroyed documents? And why isn't the GOP jumping down his throat?

The plea bargin included that he fully cooperate with the investigation.

I would assume the interest lies with whom he took documents for.

This is a vanity article I posted last summer when this story first broke. I make the point through personal experince with classified data, that Berger's claims of an 'honest' mistake is an absolute lie.

As with the Clintonistas' Modus Operandi in the past, they count on the media not asking the difficult questions. Also, they count on those in the public with no personal experience or knowledge to know any difference when they lie. My goal with this article is to pose the difficult questions and to inform those without personal knowledge of how classified data is handled how the circumstances posed by Berger and his defenders is a lie.

I called our local Clear Channel station the night after this story broke and spoke for about 10 minutes describing the procedures used to handle classified information. The following is a basic description of what I said ...

1) A person who wishes to review classified information at a given facility must have his/her clearance on file with the security office that has legal custody of the information.

2) Once they arrive to the facility, they must show their credentials to identify themselves, sign into the facility - maybe issued a badge indicating their clearance and access and escorted to the room where the material will be reviewed.

3) A quick sidebar on program access and document marking. The term "Access" refers to the concept of "Need to Know". The fact you have a clearance that matches the level required to have access to the material does not establish your "need to know". It must be determined by someone like a program manager or security personnel that your job function requires access to certain information. If you are granted access, you may be required to go through another level of investigation. Some levels of access (at least the ones I was exposed to) are known as "Special Need to Know" or SNTK (pronounced Snick) and "Special Access Required" or SAR. Programs with these designations require special prominent markings on each page of a classified document along with the classification level. Believe it or not, after all the markings (top and bottom) there usually is enough room for the content of the page.

4) I should also mention that each paragraph of the document starts with a designation indicating the classification level of that paragraph. This would look like (U), (C), (S), (S/SAR), (S/SNTK), (TS) or (TS/SAR). Every page is marked top and bottom based upon the highest level of any paragraph on that page. ie. it's possible to have an unclassified page in a top secret document. And as you might think, the overall classification of the document is classified at the highest level of any single page.

5) This next point is especially important in light of the current investigation. Every page is marked "Page x of y Pages". For example page 13 of a 32 page document would be clearly marked in the banner section of the page "Page 13 of 32 Pages". This is done for obvious reasons - if any page is missing, it can be accounted for. The page count is also part of the document's registration in the security catalog.

6) Once in the room, the container (probably a safe i.e. a very heavy duty file cabinet with heavy combination locks with different combinations on each drawer) is opened. This process should be logged by security personnel.

7) The documents are taken from the container. All classified documents are stamped (each page) with items such as a control number, date of creation, level of clearance (top and bottom), program name indicating what access is required and eventual dispensation (i.e. when the material is designated to destruction if applicable).

8) If the documents are classified "top secret", each document has a log on the cover sheet. EACH time a person has access to this information, they must sign and date it.

9) The material is not to be removed (ie stuffed in underwear, socks ... etc) without approval of security personnel. If this takes place, the transfer is documented on both ends of the transaction. If the material is top secret or above, it requires at least two cleared people as an escort.

10) If you travel overnight, the material is not to be kept in your hotel/motel room but instead must be taken to an approved facility. Arrangements are usually made in advance. Security people do not like suprise visits. They like to make them but not receive them.

11) No photocopies are to be made or notes copied without the proper security personnel logging this activity and making appropriate markings (mentioned above) on the documents.

12) This material is frequently audited by internal security agents and is subject to "suprise" audits conducted by military, FBI or other external security personnel.

13) People given access to this type of information are briefed and attend classes on how to handle this material - ie. no excuses for "honest mistakes".

14) As the NSA for the Clinton administration, I imagine Berger was personally responsible that this protocol was designed, implemented and enforced by his staff - at least in an appropriately managed administration. This would apply to government employees, officials, military personnel and civilians under contract and extended clearances issued by the DoD, DoE or other intel operations.

15) As such, ANYBODY who has worked in this environment and heard Mr. Berger's comments yesterday about being "sloppy" and "an honest mistake" knows beyond any doubt that he was not only lying, but this was a premeditated act.

16) I left the aerospace business(as an engineer) in 1993 so these comments are based upon the security world of that time. Only Lord knows how the Clinton administration changed things during his 8 years.

That summarizes what I mentioned to Steve Cannon of WTVN 610 AM (Columbus, Oh) the night after the story broke.

I should have added another issue that may pertain to the current case. The concept of "Working papers". This would be scratch material that is never intended to end up in a document being prepared. For example, preliminary drafts, graphics with various scales, handdrawn sketches, ... etc. Usually, this kind of material is kept in a folder or envelope which is marked as a regular document would be. This folder falls under the same criteria as a regular document ie locking up when not being used ... etc. Usually, this material is collected on a regular basis when the work is finished and tossed into a "burn barrel". The burn barrel is emptied periodically by cleared personnel and either burned or processed through an approved shredder (ends up as dust).

The latest word I have heard is that this material was classified "Code Word Access". Folks, if true, this is "Above Top Secret" ie. John Pollard type material.

So the question comes to mind, why would anybody do such a thing under conditions where he knew he stood a huge chance of being caught? The mission must have been extraordinary for such a risk. The presumption is that he wanted to alter or remove and destroy material that implicated either himself, or quite possibly Mr. Clinton. The fact that some of the material is "lost" implies that regardless of the consequences, the mission has been accomplished with his current situation collateral damage.

Webb Hubbell's infamous quote "I guess I'll have to roll over again for Hillary" comes to mind. Another example of the Clinton whirlwind leaving a trail of destruction in its wake.

I should stress that I'm no security expert - but I did work in that environment for nearly 12 years as an engineer in the aerospace industry (stealth technology). Amongst my duties, I was also the secured computer contact person during our department's audits with "The customer" and the FBI. This included things like proving procedures were being followed concerning the registering, cataloging and tracking of classified storage media, secured networks, hardcopy audit trails ... etc. It was not very exciting work - very boring but also needed.

Because of this work, I have a good idea of what that part of the world looks like. Who knows though after #42 and his crowd. I remember how O'leary (spelling) turned the DoE upside down with her wacky ideas of security. Remember the classified media supposedly found behind the copy machine during the Wen Ho-Li case? I have a friend who works for a private computer consulting firm that is contracted by the DoE and I think the DoD to perform inspections at government and contractor facilities. He told me the rules changed significantly during Clinton's years (to the worse) but I have no first hand knowledge

And Martha Stewart is still serving her sentence.

I've seen the theories about those FBI files before. So here's my question, fellow Freepers:

What could possibly be so completely damaging to so many Republicans that it compels this administration - who at least theoretically has controllled the Justice Dept for 4 years running - to a) allow the Clintonistas to go univestigated and unpunished for numerous actions, including treason (the sale of missle technology to China) and, even more amazingly b) resist in court, at taxpayer expense, the lawsuits and FOIA requests brought by independent groups like Judicial Watch against various Clintonistas?

Question: What could possibly be so completely damaging to so many Republicans that it compels this administration..."

Answer: The 900+ FBI files on just about every politician in Washington.

Bet he was acting on orders of Hillary.

Does anyone know what type of info was in the stolen and destroyed documents?

Apparently, the documents displayed the Clinton administration's incredibly weak responses to terrorism. The massaging of history may now continue unfettered.

What could possibly be so completely damaging to so many Republicans that it compels this administration - who at least theoretically has controllled the Justice Dept for 4 years running - to a) allow the Clintonistas to go univestigated and unpunished for numerous actions, including treason (the sale of missle technology to China) and, even more amazingly b) resist in court, at taxpayer expense, the lawsuits and FOIA requests brought by independent groups like Judicial Watch against various Clintonistas?

For the most part it will be petty sins committed in secret... but in the files. Sins that would be very inconvenient if revealed during their next election. In other words, nothing Earthshaking for the party, but individually, threatening.

What puzzles me is that the minute that anything goes into the archives, there is a back-up copy made on some kind of media. Now, what did he steal? I hear nothing about this.

What puzzles me is that the minute that anything goes into the archives, there is a back-up copy made on some kind of media. Now, what did he steal? I hear nothing about this.

Well, for one thing, photocopies are generally not permissible as evidence in court... only original documents.

Also, according to the the commentary by our Freeper above, "working papers", the stuff with doodles, personal scibblings, notes, etc., which are kept in a envelope would not be backed-up... because that would make their destruction when the document is finalized a moot point. I suspect that Berg(l)er destroyed the working papers... not the final docs.

When I was a Lieutenant, I was in charge of the Secret and Confidential Files, Top Secret Matierial and COMSEC gear. Had I lost any of the classified materials for which I was signed ( and these documents were page checked each time they were signed out to local holders and returned) there would have been hell to pay and it would have been more then a mere 10grand. Seems to me the higher up in government one is the more they get away with. This is a disgrace.