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Two Girls Held as U.S. Fears Suicide Bomb
NY Times ^ | April 7, 2005 | NINA BERNSTEIN

Posted on 04/06/2005 11:44:36 PM PDT by neverdem

Two 16-year-old girls from New York City were arrested last month and charged with immigration violations after the F.B.I. asserted that they intended to become suicide bombers, according to a government document. A spokesman for one of their families, however, said the accusation was false and said the government had probably misinterpreted a school essay written by one of the girls.

The girls are both in the country illegally, one born in Guinea and the other from Bangladesh, and are being held in a family detention center in Leesport, in southeastern Pennsylvania, according to the document, provided by a federal agent. They were arrested on March 24, and one appeared at an immigration hearing on April 1 in York, Pa.

The document, which describes the background of the case, said the F.B.I. believed the girls presented "an imminent threat to the security of the United States based upon evidence that they plan to be suicide bombers." It does not describe the nature of that evidence.

But one federal official, not connected to the F.B.I., expressed skepticism that the teenagers represented a real risk of a suicide bombing.

"There are doubts about these claims, and no evidence has been found that such a plot was in the works," said the government official in Washington, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the case involves a pending legal matter. A senior law enforcement official in New York voiced the same doubts.

The case is the latest run-in between immigrants, both legal and illegal, and federal officials who have become much more aggressive in acting against potential terrorist threats in the post-9/11 world. While advocates for immigrants have said that many innocent people are being swept up in antiterror efforts, government officials have said their vigilance is necessary.

Adem Carroll, a community activist with the Islamic Circle of North America who first approached this reporter about the case on behalf of one of the girls' parents, said the case appeared to be "an investigation that's gotten out of hand, like a lot of other so-called terror investigations." He added, "I'm confident that things will be cleared up."

Manny Van Pelt, a spokesman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a division of the Homeland Security Department, would not elaborate on the investigation.

"ICE special agents have arrested two juveniles on administrative immigration violations, and both remain in ICE custody," said Mr. Van Pelt. Citing "longstanding policy regarding juveniles in our custody," he declined to comment further.

The Guinean girl entered the United States with her family in 1990 on a visitor visa, according to the document, and lives with her parents along with four siblings who are United States citizens. She and her parents have overstayed their original visas, it said, and her father has been arrested on immigration charges.

The Bangladeshi girl entered the country in 1994, according to the document, and her mother unsuccessfully applied for asylum. Two of her three siblings were born here.

According to Mr. Carroll, the parents of the Bangladeshi girl, who live in Queens Village, went to the local police station house several weeks ago, seeking a complaint against their teenage daughter, who had defied their authority. The family dispute was soon resolved, and they then tried to withdraw the complaint, which they believe set off the investigation.

Police detectives, and then federal immigration agents, searched her belongings and confiscated her computer and the essays that she had written as part of a home schooling program, according to the family. One essay concerned suicide. The family maintained that the essay asserted that suicide is against Islamic law, but it led investigators to question her sharply about her political beliefs.

Detectives from the precinct went to the girl's home to question her about two weeks before her arrest, Mr. Carroll said, asking about her absence from a public high school since September. The mother said her daughter would be schooled at home and was seeking a high school equivalency degree because of conflicts between her Islamic dress code - a full veil - and the school's dress code.

According to the family, the detectives, who had no warrant, searched the house and the teenager's belongings. The next day, the mother received a phone call from one of the detectives, a woman, saying that her daughter had extremist beliefs and promoted concepts like suicide bombing. Both mother and daughter denied the allegation, saying that she was against such ideas.

Last night, a 20-year-old woman friend of the Bangladeshi teenager said she had known the young woman for three years and was close to her. Told of the allegations, she responded in disbelief, "That's crazy."

Eric Lichtblau in Washington contributed reporting for this article.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; fbi; homelandsecurity; homelandsecuritydept; jihadinamerica; newyorkcity; terrorism
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1 posted on 04/06/2005 11:44:37 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

We all need to be held at times.... particularly when 18 sticks of TNT are strapped to our torso, we are really just crying out "HOLD ME!"


2 posted on 04/06/2005 11:46:51 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: neverdem
"one federal official, not connected to the F.B.I., expressed skepticism that the teenagers represented a real risk of a suicide bombing."

That works - right up until the dynamite corset goes off.

3 posted on 04/06/2005 11:52:08 PM PDT by norton (build a wall and post the rules at the gate)
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To: cyborg; Clemenza; Cacique; NYCVirago; The Mayor; Darksheare; hellinahandcart; Chode; ...

FReepmail me if you want on or off my New York ping list.

It will be interesting to see how this is resolved. Other than both are illegal in NYC, I don't see the connection between the two of them. Is it too late? What did I miss?


4 posted on 04/06/2005 11:55:24 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: SteveMcKing

Illegal immigration is not a security threat. Nothing to see here. Lets all go back to watching the pretty pictures on the TV like good citizens.


5 posted on 04/06/2005 11:56:21 PM PDT by ArcadeQuarters
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To: neverdem
But one federal official, not connected to the F.B.I., expressed skepticism that the teenagers represented a real risk of a suicide bombing.

What's his name? Are we supposed to guess? Okay: A.Bill Clinton B.Daschle C.Berger D.Pelosi E.Kennedy F.Kerry G.All of the Above

6 posted on 04/07/2005 12:04:35 AM PDT by taxesareforever
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To: All
Is this story being reported anywhere by any source that isn't busy running full speed off of the nearest cliff?

I'd be interested in finding out more about this from a reporter, not a cultural suicide advocate.

TIA

7 posted on 04/07/2005 12:19:20 AM PDT by Stormcrow ("It's not that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so much that isn't so.")
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To: Yehuda

What's TROP supposed to mean?


9 posted on 04/07/2005 12:33:32 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
The girls are both in the country illegally, one born in Guinea and the other from Bangladesh...

And now for the subtext:

Guinea - 85% Muslim
Bangladesh - 83% Muslim

(source: CIA World Factbook)

Typical New York Times. Pointing out the differences between the two suspects instead of the similarities. Which is, of course, the elephant in the living room.

10 posted on 04/07/2005 1:16:14 AM PDT by 10mm
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To: neverdem

Another illegal alien mess. What a dang mess.


11 posted on 04/07/2005 1:19:01 AM PDT by dennisw ("Sursum corda")
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To: neverdem

TROP The Religion Of Peace. You know, Islam.


13 posted on 04/07/2005 1:20:49 AM PDT by Triggerhippie
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To: neverdem
We were lucky. A pair of them exploding in crowded Times Square would have resulted in horrific carnage. And liberals are still debating whether we need a strengthened Patriot Act. DUH.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
14 posted on 04/07/2005 1:21:24 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: 10mm

These days we are colonized by pits like Guinea and Bangladesh, instead of the other way around. And both are Muslim pits


15 posted on 04/07/2005 1:22:26 AM PDT by dennisw ("Sursum corda")
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To: neverdem

Seems to me that since they are illegal aliens, they should be taken out into International waters and thrown over the side. If they can swim to shore, they can stay.


Or, since they would no longer be in the boundaries of the U.S., they could be allowed to detonate (as long as the Coasties are out of frag radius).


16 posted on 04/07/2005 1:25:34 AM PDT by Triggerhippie
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To: neverdem

Wait, let me guess...every source who was negative about either the Bush Administration or local police/investigation was...drum roll...anonymous.

Of course, it's just a guess based upon the standard NY Times' pull-a-quote-out-of-their-a$$ modus operandi, so I suppose I could be wrong if I bothered to read the full article.

17 posted on 04/07/2005 1:27:27 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: 10mm

You are CORRECT Sir!

But, why kibble about a "misinterpretation"?


18 posted on 04/07/2005 1:56:10 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: neverdem
The document, which describes the background of the case, said the F.B.I. believed the girls presented "an imminent threat to the security of the United States based upon evidence that they plan to be suicide bombers." It does not describe the nature of that evidence.

The Nature of the Evidence!?

Im Impressed, suddenly the NYTimes is interested in the Nature of the Evidence!?

Every other time their only concern is the severity of the crime!

19 posted on 04/07/2005 2:50:20 AM PDT by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: neverdem
This is the relevant part.

The Guinean girl entered the United States with her family in 1990 on a visitor visa, according to the document, and lives with her parents along with four siblings who are United States citizens. She and her parents have overstayed their original visas, it said, and her father has been arrested on immigration charges.

The Bangladeshi girl entered the country in 1994, according to the document, and her mother unsuccessfully applied for asylum. Two of her three siblings were born here.

20 posted on 04/07/2005 2:57:29 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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