Like this is necessarily a bad thing. Let's face it, these Mexicans are breaking into our country to take things that do not belong to them. It's no different from a common thief breaking into your house.
Posted on 04/07/2005 1:04:16 PM PDT by SmithL
TUCSON, Ariz. - Authorities determined Thursday that three volunteers involved in a civilian project to watch the border and report illegal crossers did not hold an illegal immigrant against his will.
The Mexican man had told sheriff's deputies that he was detained and forced to pose for a picture holding a T-shirt with a mocking slogan. The shirt read: "Bryan Barton caught an illegal alien and all I got was this T-shirt." Barton was one of the three volunteers.
"The county attorney's office reviewed all available evidence, that indicates that there was no forcible detention, therefore the case is not substantiated, and no charges are pending," said Carol Capas, a spokeswoman for the Cochise County Sheriff's Department.
The sheriff's department, Mexican Consul Miguel Escobar and the U.S. Border Patrol also agreed that the 26-year-old man was not detained, said Capas and Border Patrol spokeswoman Andrea Zortman.
The volunteers involved in Wednesday's incident identified themselves as members of the Minuteman Project - a monthlong effort that has people from around the country spread out along a stretch of the Arizona-Mexico border to report undocumented migrants and smugglers.
Law enforcement officials have said they fear the project will lead to vigilante violence. Mexico's foreign relations department also pledged in the days leading up to the civilian operation to pursue all legal and diplomatic means to stop the volunteers and ensure that they do not violate the rights of Mexican citizens.
Wednesday's incident was the first reporting any possible detention, though volunteers earlier assisted an immigrant in distress.
Tough for the left to argue this one.
Ping
Dear Sweet God, it's worse than Abu Ghraib! Run for your lives! Holding a t-shirt??? The inhumanity!
Weep, America, for your shame!
ClintonBeGone and crew are deeply saddened
Can this lying POS be charged with false testimony to authorities? These illegals are incredibly bold - you have to live here to understand that they care less about American laws or our citizens.
Thanks GW for showing your elitist liberal backbone that you grew in MA and act like your a Texan. GW is a sham and a joke.
Like this is necessarily a bad thing. Let's face it, these Mexicans are breaking into our country to take things that do not belong to them. It's no different from a common thief breaking into your house.
It was an unserious, dumbass move.
If they had killed him in the name of Allah the MSM would be praising the Minuteman Project by now.
It only creates bad publicity.
Besides, the real culprits here are not the illegals - if I lived in Mexico I'd want to leave to - it's the government officials, elected representatives and irresponsible employers who encourage and facilitate this behavior that deserve our anger.
Yeah. I caught part of an earlier thread and the baiting was quite something.
Miguel simply realizes that the more attention this gets, the more the border issue is brought to the apathetic American's attention.
Miguel: nothing to see here. move along...
Guess not.
That would require improving their situation at home. That's too much to ask.
SOP for them, and hope they get a reply that will get a suspention.
Thats not the reason why they are so fearful. If the Vols do a better job, then what are we paying the LEOs for?
I'm still wondering if the man was fluent enough in English to know that the shirt had a mocking slogan on it, or if he required an interpreter. It's too bad that the article didn't go into more detail about what happened.
So now you kiss and make up with Bryan Barton, the organizer?
When they are stealing my property it does.
It only creates bad publicity.
Can it get worse?
Besides, the real culprits here are not the illegals - if I lived in Mexico I'd want to leave to - it's the government officials, elected representatives and irresponsible employers who encourage and facilitate this behavior that deserve our anger.
I agree the Mexican government is nothing more than an organization for pimping out laborers. But, breaking the law is breaking the law!
I don't think Mexicans are too stupid to know right from wrong, but they should try taking over their own country before taking over ours.
He sounds like kind of a dork to me. The MMP are doing a good thing down there. But every large group has a jerkoff or two. Just like Free Republic has you, that doesn't taint the rest of these good folks.
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Yeah, you like those classy guys who run for office like your pal Rick Stanley. I'll give you this MileHi, no one can pick a winner like you. :)
As opposed to the incidents of violence perpetrated by illegals crossing over into the U.S.
Good.
What's the deal here? Is Mexican Consul Miguel Escobar now the arbiter of truth? Is he going to be called every time an illegal has an itch?
Send this S.O.B. back where he came from, and let it be known no more Consuls will be entertained until Mexico stops sending it's problems across our border.
What the heck are you talking about? GWB had nothing to do with this. It's not like he marched the military down there to stop these militiamen or something.
Thanks for the update!
No. Bryan Barton did not violate the law nor does he deserve the trumped up scorn from the leftist AP and local papers. However, he violated the Minuteman Project S.O.P. and I've been able to ascertain that he is not what he presents himself to be.
I'm still working to have the guy removed and the evidence I've gathered is moving up the chain of command. He's been strongly reprimanded, but that isn't enough given what I now know about the guy and what he revealed about himself and his agenda during this incident.
Also, you've been told repeatedly that Barton is NOT one of the organizers. Why do you keep repeating that he is?
Wrong my friend, the illegals are the real culprits here.
I know several folks from other countries who came here legally. They applied for a visa, filled out a ton of paperwork, paid the associated costs, and waited thier turn. Only when they were granted permission to enter this country did they do so.
Those who break our laws and enter illegally are the ones to blame.
Well, I wouldn't go that far. That's like saying that the real culprits in bank robberies and liquour store holdups are not the actually criminals but the people that created the environment that denied them the money and quality of life that they feel that they are entitled to.
If the bank employees propped the door open and whispered to customers - "hey walk into the vault, take some money, nobody'll say anything" a lot of people who would not normally walk into a bank vault might just do so, and the bank employees would be considered accomplices to the thief's crime.
Nam Vet
We'll, there are conflicting reports as to whether he's an organizer or not. More importantly, I compliment you for being consistent in still wanting him removed.
There are NOT conflicting reports. You posted one single excerpt from an unsourced article wherein Barton claimed he was an organizer.
And, besides that, I am one who would know for a certainty if he was an organizer and I can assure you from firsthand knowledge that he is NOT. I don't care what La Prensa or some other rag says, the truth is that he is only a participant - and not for long either.
No offense, but you've provided me no evidence to counter the newspaper story. Until such time I'll consider it a draw.
"What the heck are you talking about? GWB had nothing to do with this. It's not like he marched the military down there to stop these militiamen or something."
What the heck are you talking about - GW is a RINO liberal elitist who traces his lineage to Mass. and has sold our sovergnty to business for cheap labor. He should march our military down here to enforce our border not stop the minutemen who are patriots and heros.
They leave those "rights" either on the barbed wire or in the Rio Grande, don't they?
Or worse, lead to getting something done.
So, you don't trust a long-time FReeper who is right here on the spot who has firsthand knowledge of who and who is not an organizer? Someone who just got off the phone with the organizers about the disposition of this situation and the removal of this punk. You're a real piece of work and your agenda is obvious. Please, don't let anyone confuse you with the facts.
Aside from lies and baiting, he has absolutely nothing to offer on this topic or to this forum.
In your case I do trust you. But Spiff, that's not how it works. Besides, it's a minor point anyway. You've shown me you're consistent and aren't going to ignore this guy since the story is dropped, so I appreciate that. That's what matters.
Dude he was born in CT.
I would certainly be interested in seeing examples of lies. I try to cite or document most of the factual claims I make - like the Tancredo hiring illegal immigrants story.
Okay, let me attempt to clarify my question for you. It seems to have flown right over your head the first time.
What does your whining about GWB have to do with a thread about an illegal holding a T-shirt and the Minutemen effort on the border?
"He should march our military down here to enforce our border not stop the minutemen who are patriots and heros."
Which military? The guys in Iraq and Afghanistan, or the ones who just got home from there?
I'll bet the initial report made front page headlines. Conversely, this new revelation will be buried somewhere in the back.
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