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Need a hero? Try Judge Greer
Quad City Times ^ | Ap 7 05 | John Beydler

Posted on 04/07/2005 3:12:55 PM PDT by churchillbuff

That poor woman down in Florida is dead but the exploitation may be eternal.

The Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation, "dedicated to protecting" Terri Schiavo's life and liberty, is re-dedicating itself to "assisting other desperate families in their efforts to protect vulnerable loved ones." You can, of course, continue to contribute your dollars. Just visit www.terrisfight.org and click on the "donations" link. PayPal works.

The website promises there will soon be updates on how the foundation will go about "assisting other desperate families." I don't suppose "leaving them alone" is among the options being considered.

Thought not. Once there's been a media circus big enough to tear the Rev. Jesse away from that other Jackson's superstar trial, there's no choice but to try again. So, if your family is among the tens of thousands that will face a when-and-how-to-die decision sometime soon, and if you'd like to circus to come to you, just let the foundation know.

Too cynical, you say? Maybe, but I'd say I'm just "consider(ing) all the evidence in the light of reason, common sense and experience," just like judges instruct jurors to do when they deliberate a verdict.

Speaking of judges, the much maligned and threatened George Greer simply followed the law as it exists, applied sworn facts as presented in court by all parties and made his decision. He then refused to be influenced by the mob in the streets or the ones in the legislative chambers. What more can you ask of a judge?

Not much, said the Clearwater Bar Association in praising his courage in the face of death threats and endless vilification.

You should read his 2000 order in the case that spawned the controversy. He discusses in detail the central issue; that is, what would be Terri's wishes, and how he came to decide she would not want to be kept alive in the circumstances. He also deals with the medical evidence, as presented in sworn testimony, which is different than the many affidavits you can find at www.terrisfight.org . These inevitably include the phrase, "I have not physically examined Ms. Schiavo..." and/or "I have not seen her medical records..."

Do the reading, then apply your own reason, common sense and experience.

If you still think Judge Greer's the villain, fine. Join the move to impeach him. Me, I think he kept his head when all about him, others were losing their's. That makes him a hero in a story way short on those.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: greer; schiavo
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1 posted on 04/07/2005 3:12:56 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

I was too busy trying to open my air sickness bag to put a "bark alert" on the headline.


2 posted on 04/07/2005 3:14:22 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

I was too busy trying to open my air sickness bag to put a "barf alert" on the headline.


3 posted on 04/07/2005 3:14:34 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
He also deals with the medical evidence, as presented in sworn testimony, which is different than the many affidavits you can find at www.terrisfight.org . These inevitably include the phrase, "I have not physically examined Ms. Schiavo..." and/or "I have not seen her medical records..."

I think the article needs a koolaid alert. Greer never physically examined his victim either.

4 posted on 04/07/2005 3:17:04 PM PDT by palmer ("Oh you heartless gloaters")
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To: churchillbuff

Here we go.


5 posted on 04/07/2005 3:18:11 PM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: churchillbuff

The only thing this article is good for is use in an outhouse.


6 posted on 04/07/2005 3:21:13 PM PDT by Proud Conservative2 (This is a sad day in the history of America. Our once great nation has lost its way.)
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To: churchillbuff
"Do the reading, then apply your own..."

Anyone know where one can "do the reading?"

7 posted on 04/07/2005 3:22:29 PM PDT by Ed_in_NJ (Who killed Suzanne Coleman?)
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To: churchillbuff

Impeach Judge Greer?

Naw. That would be letting him off too easily.


8 posted on 04/07/2005 3:23:19 PM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: churchillbuff

Sorry, I will never accept a death sentence of dehydration and starvation. If he was so sure that she wished to be dead, why not show pity for the innocent woman and euthanize her like a serial murderer?

If he is so sure, why will Greer not open the case files under a state FOIA as a south FL newspaper requested?


9 posted on 04/07/2005 3:25:43 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Democrats soil the institutions they control)
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To: churchillbuff
George Greer simply followed the law

And that no more an absolute then "I simply followed orders"

10 posted on 04/07/2005 3:26:29 PM PDT by tophat9000 (When the State ASSUMES death...It makes an ASH out of you and me)
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To: churchillbuff
Speaking of judges, the much maligned and threatened George Greer simply followed the law as it

One word: Shylock.

11 posted on 04/07/2005 3:26:37 PM PDT by Lexinom (You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him.)
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To: Proud Conservative2

" The only thing this article is good for is use in an outhouse." The only problem is my printer can't use sandpaper.


12 posted on 04/07/2005 3:29:43 PM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: Howlin; Walkin Man; DCPatriot; EllaMinnow; .38sw; BigSkyFreeper; Peach
Once there's been a media circus big enough to tear the Rev. Jesse away from that other Jackson's superstar trial, there's no choice but to try again. So, if your family is among the tens of thousands that will face a when-and-how-to-die decision sometime soon, and if you'd like the circus to come to you, just let the foundation know.
13 posted on 04/07/2005 3:34:59 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: churchillbuff

I don't suppose "leaving them alone" is among the options being considered.
Greer certainly didn't consider this option with Terri.
Had he left her alone for her family to love and take care of he would have been a hero. Now he is just another murderer and hopefully will be tried as such.


14 posted on 04/07/2005 3:35:06 PM PDT by trustandobey
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Could it be that the law specifically allows for the Husband to make the decision as a right reserved to the individual under the Constitution?

Conservatives should be relived that the government it self acknowledged that it’s powers were limited by the Constitution, that the Congress the Governor and even the President himself could not over run the legal decision made by a mere citizen.


15 posted on 04/07/2005 3:37:49 PM PDT by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: churchillbuff
In Westinghouse Elect. Corp., Inc. v. Bay County Energy Systems, Inc., 590 So. 2d 986, 988 (Fla. 1st DCA 1991), the court stated: Clear and convincing evidence requires that the evidence must be found to be credible; the facts to which the witnesses testify must be distinctly remembered; the testimony must be precise and explicit and the witnesses must be lacking in confusion as to the facts in issue. The evidence must be of such weight that it produces in the mind of the trier of fact a firm belief or conviction, without hesitancy, as to the truth of the allegations sought to be established [and therefore also the falsity or inaccuracy of contray testimony or evidence].

Although this standard of proof may be met where the evidence is in conflict, In re Guardianship of Browning, 543 So. 2d 258, 273 (Fla. 2d DCA 1989), approved, 568 So. 2d 4 (Fla. 1990), it seems to preclude evidence that is ambiguous.

16 posted on 04/07/2005 3:38:19 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: churchillbuff
Don't worry about omitting the barf alert. For most of us here, "Judge Greer" IS a barf alert.

I notice that while the author has no trouble kicking the Schindlers in the stomach, implies they are greedy for beginning a foundation in Terri's name (like there aren't thousands that formed that will never hit a wire story), and decries a "circus" in which, as a member of the media, he serves as a clown, he doesn't have anything to say about Michael Schiavo and the Ghoul of his dreams, George "She collapsed from bulimia but looks REALLY hot when she doesn't eat at all" Felos.

As I said in another thread, if watching Felos in his post-mortem press conference didn't make your skin crawl, you're a skeleton!

17 posted on 04/07/2005 3:40:21 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Honestly - would anybody be surprised if it was revealed George Felos is a necrophiliac?)
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To: Mrs Mark

Somehow "relief" is not what comes to mind when the State has the power to starve its citizens to death.


18 posted on 04/07/2005 3:40:23 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: Mrs Mark
Could it be that the law specifically allows for the Husband to make the decision as a right reserved to the individual under the Constitution?

Nope. The various opinions and pleading make that clear. The object is to discern and apply the patient's wishes.

19 posted on 04/07/2005 3:41:20 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: churchillbuff

I not only believe that judge greer is a hero, I believe that he is a clod blooded murderer.

I did join the move to impeach him.

He is a hero to the death culture crowd.

The problem I have with the death culture crowd is they want o kill everyone but themselves.

If they only killed themselves ,I would not care.

But they only desire to kill the helpless, unborn and partially born children , and the infirm and crippled.

That I have a problem with.


20 posted on 04/07/2005 3:49:29 PM PDT by sport
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