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I guess I am one of the few who does not believe in the bogeyman of a muslim takeover of Europe. I base my prognostication on these facts. 1 immigrants to Europe within a couple generations have children at the same rate as the Europeans 2 birthrates the world over are falling. If European immigrants birthrates fall to European standards how will the muslims takeover that way? With more immigration you say? Fat chance of that happening when the main countries they draw immigrants from are near or below fertility replacement levels.

Europe's long term problem in 2050 will not be that it is swamped by muslims but that there won't be any muslims to do the jobs they won't do. This is why they are working overtime to stop peace and prosperity throughout the middle east. Peaceful prosperous democratic states do not export people and the Europeans will need other countries to export people or they will have to *gasp* make their own.

"immigrants to Europe within a couple generations have children at the same rate as the Europeans"

I've heard that before, but I've never seen data to support it. What I do know is that the 4 largest cities in Holland now (I think), or very soon, will have immigrant (mostly Muslims) majorities in their schools. So, if the Muslims in Europe are reducing their birthrates, they seem to be taking their sweet little time about it.

Another thing to consider. Ask a Muslim when the Crusades took place, and he will say "yesterday". They have a score to settle with Europe, and they've figured out that the best way to achieve their goals is from the inside, through demographics. As far as I know, no immigrant group has ever tried to take over a country (or countries) by out-populating their hosts, but that is exactly what the Muslims of Europe are doing today. So trying to apply patterns that would fit typical immigrant groups simply cannot work here.

Finally, while it may be true that immigrants typically (usually quickly) adopt the customs of their host country - 2nd generation Muslims, at least in France, have pulled away. Their parents were more French than they are.