Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

A West Too Wild (Barf Alert)
The New York Times ^ | April 11, 2005

Posted on 04/11/2005 6:38:36 AM PDT by Irontank

Along a border between Mexico and Arizona, a few dozen gunslingers are patrolling for illegal immigrants, and the fact that they have attracted mostly television cameras so far takes little away from the danger they pose to themselves and others. It would be far saner to leave the patrolling of the border to the border patrol. These self-proclaimed "Minutemen" - whom President Bush has rightly labeled vigilantes - should put their guns away and look where the real solutions to America's flawed immigration policy should be found: in Washington.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigration; minutemen; nyslimes; vigilantes
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-55 next last
Hey Minutemen...the NY Times wants you to go home and go back to sleep...your government will take care of you
1 posted on 04/11/2005 6:38:36 AM PDT by Irontank
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Irontank

The minutemen are well within their constitutional rights. end of story.


2 posted on 04/11/2005 6:39:50 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Irontank
"These self-proclaimed "Minutemen"...

But weren't the original "Minutemen" self-proclaimed as well?

3 posted on 04/11/2005 6:41:10 AM PDT by Redbob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Irontank

keep your guns and go see the New Yourk Slimes.


4 posted on 04/11/2005 6:44:51 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Irontank
The NY Times editors should read their history books more often.

The American Southwest is now part of the US because of those same type of "vigilantes" that fought Mexican troops.

If the Times had been around at that time they would have been on the side of the Mexicans.

5 posted on 04/11/2005 6:47:14 AM PDT by Noachian (To Control the Judiciary The People Must First Control The Congress)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Redbob

I'm sure the NYTimes would have written similar things about the original Minutemen if it had been around in 1775.


6 posted on 04/11/2005 6:48:40 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Noachian

No doubt about that. Dan Rather would have conducted a sit down interview with Santa Anna.


7 posted on 04/11/2005 6:50:02 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Irontank
The Minutemen are showing us not only how to seal our borders and protect our national security, they are demonstrating how we, the people, can take back our country from the political establishment.

Which fence would you rather cross if you were sneaking past the Border patrol?

Lets make our Ports of Entry the choice for everyone coming to America.

Some questions and ideas for you to think about.
What do you think would happen if a popular football or other sports star was to start off the project by donating 5 thousand or 5 million dollars to build fences on private property that adjoins the border?

Then a few more sport stars each throw in a couple of thousand or million (grin) of their own money while asking all "True Americans" to send just one hours wages to the FENCE FUND?

Do you think that the politicians would be able to stop this from growing out of control and the voters demanding that the Feds "fence our border lands"?

Do you think the politicians would listen or ignore a million calls a day to their offices?

Never underestimate what the American people can do when they decide they want to do it.

While I'm at it, we could start a "Name and Shame List" of companies that hire illegals. Name the banks that loan money to a tax number when the illegal doesn't have a phony Social Security number. Name the mortgage companies that favor home loans to illegals, using our money for their downpayment.

If you have ideas or questions, throw them in the pot here. I'm sure there's FReeper who can answer most of the questions or critique your ideas.

Do you have any ideas on how to get this started?

We need to keep the fire burning while the media is watching and reporting.

Assistance provided by rodguy911; Travis McGee

8 posted on 04/11/2005 6:50:19 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to report every illegal alien that you meet.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rodguy911; Travis McGee

LOL Check the bottom line.


9 posted on 04/11/2005 6:51:07 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to report every illegal alien that you meet.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Irontank

The New York Times: all the news to fit a one world government


10 posted on 04/11/2005 6:51:39 AM PDT by Vision (When Hillary Says She's Going To Put The Military On Our Borders...She Becomes Our Next President)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Irontank

Vigilantes with guns, deputized or not, was what tamed the wild west.


11 posted on 04/11/2005 6:57:08 AM PDT by Semper Paratus (-)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: B4Ranch
Let's make our Ports of Entry the choice for everyone coming to America.

A succinct positive message to dispel MSM stereotypes. Most excellent!

12 posted on 04/11/2005 7:19:45 AM PDT by Milhous
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Irontank; chicagolady
the real solutions to America's flawed immigration policy should be found: in Washington

Some see government as the solution. Some see government as the problem....Reagan.

Why should we trust those who cause the problem to solve it? The minutemen are right on the means that they are using. Private action is what is needed.

Don't work in a corporate campus landscaped by illegals.
Don't work in an office building cleaned by illegals.
Don't shop at a store cleaned by illegals
Don't eat at a restaurant that employes illegals.
Don't attend Catholic or Assembly of God or Baptist churches which all welcome illegals.
Don't sell your house at a profit where the illegal's demand for housing has driven up home values.
Don't collect social security from a system kept alive by illegals with bogus social security numbers.

Do 80% of true Americans oppose illegal immigration? How many are willing to inconvenience themselves to truly oppose it?

13 posted on 04/11/2005 7:28:50 AM PDT by spintreebob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Irontank

I wasn't aware the minutemen were packing. I understood they were just spotters and called in the Federales when they spotted illegals. Is it true that they are armed?


14 posted on 04/11/2005 7:31:49 AM PDT by Arkie2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: B4Ranch

Why couldn't the private individuals who own property along the border build the good high fences on their own land that the Isralis use? I would be glad to contribute to a Border Defense Fund that landowners could apply to for funding for this project. Land owners could link one fence to another all along the border. The government, that has no will to stop the invasion, would have no reason to interfere. In case the NYT has forgotten, we ARE the government..."of the people, by the people and for the people"...you know.


15 posted on 04/11/2005 7:41:15 AM PDT by kittymyrib
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: spintreebob

>>>"Don't work in a corporate campus landscaped by illegals. "

More:

Don't hire illegals to cut your grass.
Don't hire illegals to trim your trees.
Don't hire illegals to clean your house.


At some point in time, the liberals' desire for a clean environment will bring them over to this cause.

Hoppy


16 posted on 04/11/2005 7:41:41 AM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Arkie2

I'm sure some are packing but Arizona has a concealed carry law...so, presumably those who are packing would, or could, be doing so whether they were in Tombstone or Tuscon.


17 posted on 04/11/2005 7:43:33 AM PDT by Irontank (Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: mainepatsfan

It the NYT had written such disparaging remarks about Mssrs. Crockett, Bowie and Travis, there would have been a settlement of affairs requiring new staffing at the NYT.


18 posted on 04/11/2005 7:44:13 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: mainepatsfan

It the NYT had written such disparaging remarks about Mssrs. Crockett, Bowie and Travis, there would have been a settlement of affairs requiring new staffing at the NYT.


19 posted on 04/11/2005 7:46:05 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Irontank
"These self-proclaimed "Minutemen" - whom President Bush has rightly labeled vigilantes - should put their guns away and look where the real solutions to America's flawed immigration policy should be found: in Washington."

The Times fails to grasp the simple fact that the Minutemen were formed because "Washington" is NOT acting and is NOT enforcing existing law. The failure (refusal) of Washington to deal with this problem is the whole point of the exercize.
20 posted on 04/11/2005 7:47:51 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: B4Ranch

HOw does one join the Minutemen? They seem to be the only ones actually doing something about a problem. Clearly Bush and Our Governor Arnold (recently again back-flipped) on pension issues have done nothing and I was speaking with a friend over the weekend and the Minutemen seem to be the only organization that identified a problem, implemented a solution, it is working and, it did not require tax dollars.


21 posted on 04/11/2005 8:04:47 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Irontank
look where the real solutions to America's flawed immigration policy should be found: in Washington.

Um, the problem is Washington isn't doing anything.

22 posted on 04/11/2005 8:06:28 AM PDT by eyespysomething (hmmm....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Irontank
Along a border between Mexico and Arizona, a few dozen gunslingers are patrolling for illegal immigrants, and the fact that they have attracted mostly television cameras so far takes little away from the danger they pose to themselves and others.

It would be far saner to leave the patrolling of the border to the border patrol.

These self-proclaimed "Minutemen" - whom President Bush has rightly labeled vigilantes - should put their guns away and look where the real solutions to America's flawed immigration policy should be found: in Washington.

Yeah, leave it to Bush and his liberal supporters and kiss the farm goodbye!

Stay asleep America and miss the aroma of pan, carne and freoles as they trek North!

23 posted on 04/11/2005 8:08:56 AM PDT by VOYAGER
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: B4Ranch
For starters, if we're talking baseball players... why would they want to pay for a fence that will cut them off from their families?
24 posted on 04/11/2005 8:16:52 AM PDT by Mathews (Shot... Splash... Out!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Arkie2
Yep. Some of them are. What's the difference? Do you have a problem with it?
25 posted on 04/11/2005 8:19:16 AM PDT by Mathews (Shot... Splash... Out!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: B4Ranch

The 'fence fund' sounds like a great idea. I wonder what the pitfalls are regarding the property on which to place the fence? I guess there are many private citizen land owners there willing to help based on the Minuteman reports.

What would be needed is an honest way to set up that fund with a well respected financial institution willing to put their name on a project like this.


26 posted on 04/11/2005 8:23:12 AM PDT by WestCoastGal (I'm taking Dale Jr to Texas Motor Speedway on Friday!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Irontank

Do the writers of the NYT ever travel outside the homo-bars of NYCity?

From bonehead articles like this and others, they don't.


27 posted on 04/11/2005 8:26:40 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mainepatsfan

28 posted on 04/11/2005 8:29:37 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (I know a great deal about the Middle East because Ive been raising Arabian horses" Patrick Swazey)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Psycho_Bunny

Was it the Weekly Standard that came up with that?


29 posted on 04/11/2005 8:33:15 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Irontank
self-proclaimed "Minutemen" - whom President Bush has rightly labeled vigilantes - should put their guns away and look where the real solutions to America's flawed immigration policy should be found: in Washington.

Both the NY Slimes and President Bush need to look up the definition of "vigilante". Here is is from Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary:

Etymology: Spanish, watchman, guard, from vigilante vigilant, from Latin vigilant-, vigilans
: a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law appear inadequate);

Since the Minutemen aren't punishing anyone, rather reporting them to the border patrol for pickup, they are merely good citizens doing what good citizens are supposed to, reporting crimes to the appropriate authorities. They are not trespassing on anyone's property. Many of them are armed for their own protection, because there are some bad hombres in the areas they are operating in.

30 posted on 04/11/2005 8:56:12 AM PDT by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Arkie2
Is it true that they are armed?

Some are, some are not. The armed ones are in full compliance with applicable laws. Arizona has open carry sans permit and is a "shall issue" state for concealed carry permits. No permit is required for openly carried long arms. Additionally they recognize the permits of Alaska, Texas, Utah, Arkansas, Kentucky, Ohio, and Michigan.

31 posted on 04/11/2005 9:04:43 AM PDT by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Noachian
The American Southwest is now part of the US because of those same type of "vigilantes" that fought Mexican troops.

Well not quite, the Southwest was obtained after the war with Mexico, fought by both regular federal troops and levies from the state militias. It was not fought by private militias or by state militias acting under state orders. They were officered by the likes of Robert E. Lee, William T. Sherman, U.S. Grant, and other such recognizable US military officers who later found themselves on opposite sides during the later unpleasantness.

32 posted on 04/11/2005 9:12:41 AM PDT by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: WestCoastGal

>>What would be needed is an honest way to set up that fund with a well respected financial institution willing to put their name on a project like this.<<

Perhaps just have a well respected financial institution go over the books every month and sign the checks for those applying for funds.

I envision something like send us your tax bill and we'll determine if you qualify regarding location. Too far away from the border and nope, no money. Right on the border and the check will be in the mail in 10 days.

Or go into the tax offices, get a list of names of people who own border property, mail them a letter asking them to participate. Wgen you have sufficient numbers then have a voluteer crew go and dig the holes, mix the cement and set the poles. The next weekend they could hang the fence.

If we start the program on private property then demand they continue it on federal land, it'll be a winner. When they finish with their end of the job, GIVE them the fenceline that's on private property. Then get the FEDS to run another fence right on the border. Would you rather cut two fences or just one if you were trying to sneak in?

Put a low voltage DC wire through the fence that would allow the local BP to determine when and where the cut was made. (all it would take is a good ohm meter) Then if they can't respond for an hour, fine. They will know that the illegals will be within a certain area because it would be impossible to be further away in that timespan. Have a federal crew who just repairs the fence and wire daily ASAP after it was cut.


33 posted on 04/11/2005 9:14:41 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to report every illegal alien that you meet.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Mathews

LOL SO TRUE! Ironic that we can't find Americans who want to play ball isn't it?


34 posted on 04/11/2005 9:21:11 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to report every illegal alien that you meet.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: VOYAGER
Stay asleep America and miss the aroma of pan, carne and freoles as they trek North!

While those folks are illegal, there's nothing wrong with pan(bread), carne (meat) and frijoles (beans). Staples of southwest cuisine, on both sides of the border. You have to remember that there are lots of *legal* Hispanic residents and citizens in that part of the country. Some of them are descended from folks who were living in those parts long before they became part of the US.

Of course you haven't lived until you've had a brat with kraut on a tortilla. :)

35 posted on 04/11/2005 9:22:00 AM PDT by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: edcoil

check yer mail, Cowboy


36 posted on 04/11/2005 9:24:53 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to report every illegal alien that you meet.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Milhous

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1381343/posts?page=33#33


37 posted on 04/11/2005 9:27:27 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to report every illegal alien that you meet.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: eyespysomething
Um, the problem is Washington isn't doing anything

No, the problem is that we expect Washington to do something. We need to change our expectations. Private solutions are more effective.

38 posted on 04/11/2005 10:48:42 AM PDT by spintreebob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: B4Ranch
then demand they continue it on federal land,

We're better off keeping it a private program. Whom do you think the bureaucrats would hire to build those fences?

39 posted on 04/11/2005 10:52:09 AM PDT by spintreebob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: spintreebob

#1
The costs should not be borne just by those who can see the differences between black and white, all Americans will receive the benefits of controlled immigration.

#2
I do not think we, you and I should pay to build and maintain fence on Federal property. Not all of the border is private property.


40 posted on 04/11/2005 11:56:38 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to report every illegal alien that you meet.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: B4Ranch

You can't put up fences to stop the flow. It's inevitable.


41 posted on 04/11/2005 12:01:14 PM PDT by johnb838 (Santo Subito! Presto!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: spintreebob

What exactly is it that you are saying, friend? What you list goes far beyond inconvenience.


42 posted on 04/11/2005 12:03:07 PM PDT by johnb838 (Santo Subito! Presto!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: mainepatsfan
I'm sure the NYTimes would have written similar things about the original Minutemen if it had been around in 1775.

Exactly & worth repeating. In fact, they'd have spent volumes of ink arguing against the Federalist Papers. Can you imagine them supporting the 2nd Amendment as it is written?

43 posted on 04/11/2005 12:05:40 PM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Hop A Long Cassidy
Don't hire illegals to cut your grass.
Don't hire illegals to trim your trees.
Don't hire illegals to clean your house.

Those I can get behind. I need a maid so darned bad but thus far I've restrained myself from asking one of the "girls". Of course, according to the prior poster I should move out of the complex because they employ illegals. Where would I go?

44 posted on 04/11/2005 12:05:40 PM PDT by johnb838 (Santo Subito! Presto!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: El Gato
Be calm I was only using an allegory and by the way thanks for the correct spelling of freoles(frijoles)!

At times I even spell mexycan(?) incorrectly!

45 posted on 04/11/2005 1:35:35 PM PDT by VOYAGER
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: johnb838

>>You can't put up fences to stop the flow. It's inevitable.
<<

So is old age but there sure is a lot you can do to make it more bearable.


46 posted on 04/11/2005 3:10:54 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to report every illegal alien that you meet.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: johnb838

>>I need a maid so darned bad<<

Don't be foolish and hire anyone who isn't currently working as a housekeeper/cleaner or you may just find that you are cleaned out. Too many of these people will steal anything not nailed down.

Always be sure to ask for the business license number and then call the local cops to see if there is any complaints about them.


47 posted on 04/11/2005 3:26:42 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to report every illegal alien that you meet.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: B4Ranch

I'd hire one of the girls the apartment complex uses. But no matter, I'm not going to do it. And I'm not going to buy Chinese. My little protest.


48 posted on 04/11/2005 3:29:55 PM PDT by johnb838 (Santo Subito! Presto!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: B4Ranch

It's no more inevitable than communism. That's just what they like to say. Bob wire and a little bit of electricity would do wonders.


49 posted on 04/11/2005 3:30:52 PM PDT by johnb838 (Santo Subito! Presto!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: Irontank
Along a border between Mexico and Arizona, a few dozen gunslingers are patrolling for illegal immigrants…

And the Border Patrol would also be men & women “slinging” guns!

It would be far saner to leave the patrolling of the border to the border patrol.

Just as the "far saner" Border Patrol are our brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, aunts and uncles, so too are the Minute Men.

50 posted on 04/11/2005 3:39:30 PM PDT by RJL
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-55 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson