Skip to comments.More and More, Kids say the Foulest Things (swearing)
Posted on 04/12/2005 10:06:43 AM PDT by crv16
Dan Horwich's English class is a bastion of clean language, where students read the classics and have weighty discussions free of invective and profanity. But when the bell rings and they walk out his door, the hallway vibrates with talk of a different sort.
"The kids swear almost incessantly," said Horwich, who teaches at Guildford High School in Rockford, Ill. "They are so used to swearing and hearing it at home, and in the movies, and on TV, and in the music they listen to that they have become desensitized to it."
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I am 33 years old, my mother never allowed us to say anything. Never the Lords name in vain, booty, nothing. To this day if I say something she doesnt approve of, I hear about it.
Mouth meet soap. And that goes for adults using foul language around children.
Just the beginning of the end...
> the HS has ignored this problem largely
Good! The notion of being shocked, SHOCKED by people using dirty words is just tragically sad.
Well, who's parenting the kids.
Another proponent of Cultural Entropy, I see.
Tell me again how dirty words enrich us as a society?
I have a passion for westerns, but couldn't get through one episode of HBO's "Deadwood".
Well if all the obscene words simply become normal expletives, everyone will forget their original meaning.
Therefore, new obscene words will have to be invented to replace them.
Heh, I was the victim of a similarly intolerant homeschooling environment. I've found I can no more use foul language than I can fly - odd what that day-in, day-out condition does to one.
I think the use of "dirty words" indicates a poor vocabulary and inability to communicate. I'm trying to break at least my female friends of their swearing habits but they just don't see the problem.
Don't be daft. This isn't about race, it's about values.
Keep ministering to your friends, and be VERY careful about associating yourself with them if they refuse to change! (Spoken to you from a homeschool dad ;-) )
You are correct it has nothing to do with race. But you are incorrect that it has everything to do with a lack of discipline in schools...........the lack of discipline comes from the parents.
> Tell me again how dirty words enrich us as a society?
Tell me again how dirty words hurt us as a society. Is it the word itself that you fear, or the feeling behind it?
At my lily-white elementary school back in the early and mid-1980s, kids would swear all the time. Of course, there were never any adults around.
Viking Kitties: Cleanup on Aisle Six....
Now admittedly I use such language time to time, but not around ladies, nor children. But some I know figure it's OK anytime, anywhere. I just don't get that.
I suggest "French". It could be pretty much a drop-in replacement. "That mother-frencher is so frenching stupid." "French you, you french-hole." And so forth.
This morning on the train I heard the most horrible language along with vile racial epithets . . . all coming from several African-American middle schoolers. It was sad to see them use the "n word" so profusely.
Well, for a lot of them it's just habit, nobody's ever told them not to use that sort of language. Around a campus, students think it's "cool" and "adult" to use foul language.
I've known some people who, after years of talking like sailors, try to clean up their speech and find that it's become such a habit, they have real trouble not using it.
> I think the use of "dirty words" indicates a poor vocabulary and inability to communicate.
Incorrect. Dirty words are just words, with more emotional connotation. Granted, some people don;t know how to utter a sentence without using them; this is not a sign of moral decaly but, as you suggest, a sign that they are not well educated. However, certain words and phrases are STAGGERINGLY effective at getting across emotional responses. Consider a few days ago, when I found I need to go in for surgery that will leave me scarred and in agony. I'm sorry, but "gosh" and "darn" just didn't cut it. Something a bit more colorful was called for.
You got a frenching problem?
... which to some extent is what already happened. Nobody seems to say 'zounds' anymore.
It's interesting you say that. Most of the barnyard, sexual, and body part swear words are the ones that come from German origin. The words of French origin are the ones that are considered polite. Sexual intercourse, derriere, manure - all French. I'll let the rest of you think up the German replacements.
So at its hearts, the ban on these words is a racist assessment that the Germans are too course and crude in their language to be used in polite company.
I think you're wrong. My (admittedly more or less adult) friends go through a remarkable language transformation when their parents or other authority figures are around. And I rarely hear kids with parents in earshot using the major baddies, at least. It's always when they're just with each other.
I wouldn't necessarily blame the schools (although I wish they'd use the soap treatment!) but negative peer pressure.
> I suggest "French".
Tried that myself, actually. Back in 2003, when that silly "Freedom Fries" thing came up, my response was not to remove France from vocabulary, but to *add* it. "I had to go to the frenchroom and take a chirac, but there wasn't a roll of francepaper."
But to be truly effective, a good expletive has to *sound* harsh. And French... just doesn't.
> It's known as disrespect, both to those that you're speaking to, and those in you immediate surroundings.
Hogwash. How is it disrespectful?
> Only fools speak with that kind of tongue.
Now THAT is disrespectful. Perhaps you should remove the word "fool" from your vocabulary?
"But some I know figure it's OK anytime, anywhere. I just don't get that."
I too can cuss like a sailor when the surrounding and circumstance permit. By in large silent and in counsel to myself. (I cuss to myself but I rarely cuss back!)
I spend a lot of time in sales meetings at other peoples places of business. Occasionally, you run into people who cuss up a storm in business meetings in mixed company. I never understood that. I prefer to refrain and let people think I'm stupid. I rarely go on a tirade and remove any remaining doubt.
Well, sorry that "darn" doesn't cut it for you. But I never hear foul language 'in context'. It just litters the conversation the way broken beer bottles litter a hiking trail - and with similar effect.
You only need stronger words if you use the less-strong ones frequently. I don't say "drat" often, but when I do it has the effect for me that the f-word has for some of my colleagues.
Foul language is like auditory smoking; do it all you like, but I'm not going to hang around while you do so.
I have to say, the writing in that show is supurb. Even the swearing fits perfectly.
It's all in the delivery. Or maybe the usage - "French Eye for the Straight Guy" has a certain ring to it....
While I mostly agree with you, the vast success of the athiest liberals of injecting their secular values (or lack thereof) into the public school system makes it an environment where kids of very good, disciplining parents are going to be exposed to the garbage that our liberal friends love so much.
Begin flood of home schooling posts in 3...2...1
On a side note, in addition to foul language being cool in both genders, I understand from my 16 year old daugther that it is becoming the in thing for the chicks to fart loudly when they are hanging out together.
I thought that was man ground that would never be encroached by the fairer sex.
> Most of the barnyard, sexual, and body part swear words are the ones that come from German origin.
In Victorian times, polite people would never refer to a dress with mud on it as "dirty," but as "soiled." Dirt was derived from the Norse "drit," which meant excrement. As it became an English word, it maintained a strong negative connotation. That connotation is now largely gone, and one can say "dirt" in polite company.
The same will happen with all the expletives used today. That's just the way of things.
Parents, friends' parents, people on the street and even prime time TV cuss in front of them. Is it any wonder?
Good Lord almighty, parents, why do you think God gave us mouth-sized bars of soap?
Stand in a bathroom for 30 seconds with a bar of Dial in your mouth, and you won't say bad words where Mom can hear 'em for a LONG time.
You haven't answered my question. How does the rampant use of expletives make us better, nobler, or smarter?
> do it all you like, but I'm not going to hang around while you do so.
That's fine. I can't stand the weak-stomached.
I work with someone who it is embarassing to even have a conversation with sometimes. There are times when he will be having an otherwise serious workplace discussion with someone yet he cannot help but swear constantly. And I'm not just talking about a word here and there; he will literally swear so much that maybe one out of every five words will NOT be a swear word. To be honest, it makes him look like a complete idiot and a joke in front of everyone, even though he is pretty well educated and has a degree.
Now, imagine how dumb kids out of HS who talk like this will look and tell me how it's no big deal.
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