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More and More, Kids say the Foulest Things (swearing)
The Washington Post ^ | 04/12/04 | Valerie Strauss

Posted on 04/12/2005 10:06:43 AM PDT by crv16

Dan Horwich's English class is a bastion of clean language, where students read the classics and have weighty discussions free of invective and profanity. But when the bell rings and they walk out his door, the hallway vibrates with talk of a different sort.

"The kids swear almost incessantly," said Horwich, who teaches at Guildford High School in Rockford, Ill. "They are so used to swearing and hearing it at home, and in the movies, and on TV, and in the music they listen to that they have become desensitized to it."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: civility; culturalentropy; decencydeficit; profanity; pspl; swearing
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To: Dementon

Yeah, I once got a whipping for calling my sis the F word. In retrospect, big-boned or healthy would have been a better word choice.


241 posted on 04/12/2005 1:23:52 PM PDT by flying Elvis
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To: politicket
Hey...I'm a HE!!! That's the second time in two days that I've been referred to as "HER" and I don't live anywhere NEAR San Francisco! ;-)

Hmmm...I'd get that looked at. ;-)

Seriously, though, I think I might have jumped to the wrong conclusion during our earlier homeschool discussions. Sorry about the mistake - but now I know better.
242 posted on 04/12/2005 1:27:47 PM PDT by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: Big Digger

"glorification of black street talk"???
Oh,please!I went to an all white school in Millbrae,Ca,not exactly the heart and soul of black gangsta territory,and my classmates used every combinatiopn of names in the book,including the"N" word WITH the "er"ending!
BTW,this was in the EARLY Sixties,way before rap music and MTV.


243 posted on 04/12/2005 1:30:05 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: Burlem

ok, I will do it myself......:(


244 posted on 04/12/2005 1:30:27 PM PDT by Burlem
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To: crv16

All kids are going to try swearing once they get around other kids. They keep it up when parents don't bother to teach them not to do so.


245 posted on 04/12/2005 1:31:30 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Modernman
"Sure, and what is wrong with that?"

There is a difference between an occasional curse word and using profanity continually.

What's wrong with continual use of profanity? Nothing, if you want to come off as an ignorant, childish person with no social skills who is not worthy of being taken seriously.

246 posted on 04/12/2005 1:34:58 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
There is a difference between an occasional curse word and using profanity continually.

I certainly agree.

247 posted on 04/12/2005 1:37:21 PM PDT by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: Gabz
And what is wrong with a good old fashioned fear of discipline or punishment for doing wrong, in this case using inapropriate language?

How about it...it worked for me, my brother, and 2 sisters....we never needed "counseling" because of it. Sometimes I think people will make all the excuses in the world to not feel guilt for things they know in their heart they have done wrong. Doing the right thing is not always the easiest thing.

248 posted on 04/12/2005 1:38:42 PM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" - Hillary Clinton)
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To: duck duck goose



I am 33 years old, my mother never allowed us to say anything. Never the Lords name in vain, booty, nothing. To this day if I say something she doesnt approve of, I hear about it.

Shows the difference in parenting nowadays. If a person is accused of swearing, it's "not my child" and "what did you do to make him do it?" The times do change.


249 posted on 04/12/2005 3:08:17 PM PDT by moog
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To: Gabz



Mouth meet soap. And that goes for adults using foul language around children.

Amen.


250 posted on 04/12/2005 3:08:47 PM PDT by moog
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To: piceapungens



This morning on the train I heard the most horrible language along with vile racial epithets . . . all coming from several African-American middle schoolers. It was sad to see them use the "n word" so profusely.

My white parents taught us that the n word was akin to the f word. I still have never used it to this day and recoil when I hear it.


251 posted on 04/12/2005 3:10:14 PM PDT by moog
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To: Gabz

I am sorry but I can not agree with you that it is all the fault of the public school system and give the parents a pass.

Amen to that. Parents will forever be the biggest influence on their kids. They certainly don't learn the language from their teachers (at least in my experience). My little first graders won't even say "shut up" or "stupid." Sometimes I have to watch my own language.


252 posted on 04/12/2005 3:13:18 PM PDT by moog
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To: politicket
My grandfather (who died before I was born) always said profanity was the sign of a limited vocabulary. I believe he was right.

I know for a fact that he was right!

I agree with both of you. When someone flips me off, I sit and laugh at them. One guy cut me off and I have to swerve to avoid an accident. I honked my horn which got him mad. As he exited, he gave me the biggest birdie I've ever seen (his middle finger was as large as a very thick hot dog). Holy Cow! I don't think I've ever laughed so hard ever.

253 posted on 04/12/2005 3:17:10 PM PDT by moog
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To: Choose Ye This Day




In my experience, kids usually learn or first hear cuss words on TV or in movies (viewed at home), then they "try them out" with their friends at school or hanging out.

You got that right. About the only things on TV that you don't hear are s--- and f---.


254 posted on 04/12/2005 3:19:06 PM PDT by moog
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To: reagan_fanatic
Foul language is becomming commonplace for even the very young anymore. Last year, I was driving down a road by my house and there were three kids walking out in the road. I told them they should use the sidewalk instead of the street, and one of the girls who couldn't have been older than 12 promptly flipped me the bird and told me to '**ck off'.

I walked or rode the bus everywhere for over 10 years. As a professional pedestrian, I couldn't count how many PARENTS I saw acting that way in front of little kids.

255 posted on 04/12/2005 3:23:43 PM PDT by moog
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To: Disambiguator
What's really fun are the substitutions being used by people who don't want to swear, but still can't avoid using expletives. "freakin" "flippin" "forkin" "shoot" "shucks" I could go on, but you get the idea. Please feel free to add to the list.

A little first grader of mine with teenage brothers had a swearing problem in kindergarten so his parents and he worked to find other options besides swearing. He dropped a book on his foot and said, "Son of a nutcracker," instead of something else. Works for me.

256 posted on 04/12/2005 3:25:54 PM PDT by moog
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To: sharktrager

nope.........we had LOTS of fried chicken after church on Sunday!!:-))


257 posted on 04/12/2005 3:39:52 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: MamaB
We are about the same age so we must have had similar childhoods and we never watched filth on tv like the kids do today. Well, I hardly ever watched tv because I had rather be reading! I use to love to get a quilt and sit on the porch when it was raining and read.

Ohhhhh we never watched much on tv at all. But I can tell you we played a mean game of Jacks, and I could skate around the block faster than any kid on the block!! Remember skates that had keys?? Jumprope and our " swimming pool" was running through the sprinklers. Our children these days are SO DEPRIVED!! I feel sorry for them.

258 posted on 04/12/2005 3:42:44 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: politicket
This has nothing to do with race

We now live in a society where "tolerance" is celebrated at the expense of moral correctness.

Have you given any thought to those two statements being in contradictory?

259 posted on 04/12/2005 3:43:16 PM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
I believe that would be "foul" language...unless you're referring to speaking like a duck!

LOLOLOL!!!!!!!! Ok , the laugh is on me. Yep, your right.......I must have " fowl-ed" my post up!!!:-)) thanks for the correction!!

260 posted on 04/12/2005 3:45:12 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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