Democratic Strategists Issue Memo on Loss of Catholics

The Factis.org and Culture of Life Foundation ^ | April 12, 2005

[ninenot]

You may not believe this, and I have no empirical evidence whatsoever to support it---

But I think that GWB will return from the Pope's funeral with MUCH more resolve on the 'moral issues.' And, based on the ratings of the Papal coverage, I also suspect that if GWB is able to strike soon, he will be supported heavily by the public.

But I've always been an optimist...

[spintreebob]

Suppose that 30% of Catholics in the USA are Hispanic and 40% of Catholics under 30 are Hispanic. Furthermore, Hispanic Catholics are more likely to actually attend mass. More likely to obey the teachings of the church.

What can be predicted about future relations between the Church and politics? Between the largest ethnic block of Catholics and politics?

[ninenot]

There are some exceptions.

In Wisconsin, the notorious hard-left Feingold trounced his (R) opponent in the Senate race. The opponent, pro-gun, 100% pro-life, vigorous and obviously earnest, had a touch of immaturity and an appalling understanding of Civics 101.

Worse, in a State which had been nuked by the PRChina industrial-job-theft, he would NOT run counter to the GWB party-line--"see no evil, hear no evil..."

Even GWB, in Ohio, finally admitted that "there are problems." Not that he's done anything about it, mind you, but he admitted it.

Feinie's opponent refused to even consider it. IMHO it would have been MUCH closer--maybe even within the margin of Democrat-stolen-votes, if he had. (The State of Wisconsin went Kerry by 14,000 votes. Newspaper investigation demonstrates that about 7,000 votes in Milwaukee ALONE were questionable, to say the least.)

[e5man_r_u?]

I can see the "no substance". Most of his stuff I saw was what I already knew or would have known had I looked. Stating the obvious is easy. Truly thoughtful and insightful writing is rare. Too rare these days.

[ninenot]

Pols will pay more attention to Catholic social/moral teachings and learn Spanish.

Making the assumption that Cathlic Bishops actually ACT Catholic, the pols who are paying attention will win.

Look at Florida. Jeb Bush IS the Governor, and Florida is by no means a Conservative Pubbie State.

[patent]

Sorry, the exercise is not to use opinions to weed out membership, but to measure opinions in the membership.

Then why is that exactly what you are doing? The pollee is giving the pollster their opinion that the pollee thinks he is Catholic. You are in fact relying on that opinion. And then you are trying to chastise me for relying on opinions, when in fact I’m relying on conduct -- e.g., whether they actually GO to Church.

It's not up to me to decide church membership.

its also not up to a pollster or the pollee who is not, in fact, a member. Call me. I’ll claim to be in the Elks. Am I actually a member? No.

I think it's a fair exercise to see what self-identifying Catholics think.

That’s fine, and I find that interesting, but as I think you agree, the modifier “self-identifying Catholics” is far different than what you put in your original statement.

patent

[HitmanLV]

Yes - when I say catholics, I do mean self-identifying catholics.

[utahagen]

I am impressed by your detailed knowledge! Thx for the post.

[AuH2ORepublican]

"While middle-age Catholics lean toward keeping abortion legal, voters under 30 are more pro-life: 53 percent believe abortion should be illegal in most cases."

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Voters under 30 grew up with ultrasound, and saw how their baby brothers and sisters were human beings even when they were still in their mother's womb. And those who were already over 30 in 1973 were less likely to swallow the Roe v. Wade lies and thus aren't as pro-abortion as the Baby Boomers, which is why those over 65 tend to be pro-life. As Baby Boomers become a smaller percentage of the electorate, pro-abortion voters will become a smaller and smaller minority.

[ex-snook]

"As Baby Boomers become a smaller percentage of the electorate, pro-abortion voters will become a smaller and smaller minority."

Say it's not true. Democrat leadership has to answer the question - why does one have to be pro-abortion to be a Democrat? The Republicans have already given up on having to be pro-life to be a Republican.

[stop_fascism]

And under thirties realize that their lives were dependent on the whims of their mothers.

[sitetest]

"The memo advises Democrat candidates to get around the issue by presenting themselves as one who '[b]elieves in a woman's right to choose but believes all sides should come together around the common goal of preventing and reducing the number of abortions, with more sex ed, including abstinence, access to contraception and more adoption.'"

I don't think so.

I think this sort of patronizing cr*p will only cost the Dammocraps more pro-life votes.

I think serious pro-lifers can tell when folks are trying to pander without actually doing anything for us.

[onyx]

Thanks. :)

[Soul Seeker]

It turns out that one of the most contentious and visible issues in the 2004 election, the denial of the Eucharist to pro-abortion politicians, did not hurt the pro-life side as many said it would.

Duh. I'm not Catholic but I could tell them people of Faith that take that Faith seriously do not react well to those that betray their supposed religious convictions. I'm non denominational but backed priests that would deny it to politicians supporting abortions on both aisles. If you are going to claim to be Catholic, than you have an obligation to follow the Church practices not simply use them as a tool at election day. And this wishy washy Hill technique they are advancing isn't going to work either.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

A memo authored by a prominent Democratic strategy organization calls the decline in support of white Catholics for Democrats "striking" and "a big part of the 2004 election story." One of the analysis' key findings is that Catholic voters are becoming more pro-life which the authors called "a factor in the recent losses and one of the blockages for Democrats...

Gee, what a discovery! And that's a "problem" for them. Wow. Screwtape could be writing these DNC notes.

These wacko liberal eggheads deserve a Twilight Zone Award

[visualops]

HRC: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

[visualops]

young Catholics are more pro-life than their parents

Yep.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

They are leaving out mention of one VERY IMPORTANT detail. John Kerry came across as a complete jerk. An extreme wacko liberal secular humanist of the kooky Ivy League dork type bordering almost on insanity. THAT also hurt the Dems because it linked his extreme genocidal pro-death views with some very unattractive personal qualities and cultural criteria linked with peculiarly obnoxious liberals.

The fact is that more people are picking up on the sordid reality that liberals are psycho kooks of the extreme type who want to breed embryos in labs to be slaughtered for parts. Frankly, there was a nauseating "gag factor" to their candidate which in prior elections BEFORE the Brave New World of stem-cell slaughter they did not quite have. When people are made to feel like they want to throw up by a candidate's views, that is a MAJOR factor when it comes time to pull the lever in the booth. John Kerry made a lot of people feel like they might throw up.

[Dan from Michigan]

The memo advises Democrat candidates to get around the issue by presenting themselves as one who "[b]elieves in a woman's right to choose but believes all sides should come together around the common goal of preventing and reducing the number of abortions, with more sex ed, including abstinence, access to contraception and more adoption." This common ground approach is reminiscent of a recent speech given by New York Senator and likely presidential candidate, Hillary Rodham Clinton, in which she softened her approach to abortion by calling it a "tragic choice."

I think people are sick and tired of half-assed measures by politicians. We all know what the democrats "gun control lite" and "pro-abort lite" stances really mean.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

If the Dem Grand Poohbahs want to understand their real dilemma they should study the meaning of "overkill." Because the liberal secular humanist side in the culture wars has achieved absurdly grotesque "overkill." This has been apparent in NUMEROUS controversies in the culture wars building up for quite some time. The constant bashing of Christians and Catholics by the media and liberal elites in the Hollyweird feverswamps. Trashing Mel Gibson and his film "The Passion." And the move to clone and kill human embryos for parts to be used in "medical research." These are ALL disgusting to normal Americans. And people are scratching their heads and wondering what planet liberals come from. Just how insanely "weird" do liberals want human society to become?

It's not merely a question of fiddling with the packaging of the abortion issue. Secular humanist liberals are wacko. Their kook and high-weirdness scale scores are now off the radar. Between their push for more butt sex and creating embryos in labs to be killed, they now drive more away than they attract.