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Lutherans propose ordination of homosexuals
Catholic News Agency ^ | April 12, 2005

Posted on 04/13/2005 5:50:35 AM PDT by NYer

Washington DC, Apr. 12, 2005 (CNA) - The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America may become the first U.S.-based Lutheran denomination to approve the ordination of active homosexuals as clergy and lay ministers, reported the Christian Post.

The Church Council released a statement Monday with three resolutions that ask whether the church should bless same-sex unions and ordain non-celibate homosexuals, provided they remain faithful to their partner.

The statement has been forwarded to the ELCA Churchwide Assembly, which is scheduled to meet Aug. 8-14 in Florida. Delegates will then decide to accept, reject or amend the three resolutions.

Current ELCA policy allows the ordination of celibate homosexuals but not active homosexuals.

Should the Churchwide Assembly adopt the new policy, the ELCA will likely become the only Lutheran denomination in the United States with official guidelines for such ordinations.


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1 posted on 04/13/2005 5:50:35 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 04/13/2005 5:51:48 AM PDT by NYer ("America needs much prayer, lest it lose its soul." John Paul II)
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To: sionnsar; little jeremiah

Ping!


3 posted on 04/13/2005 5:52:25 AM PDT by NYer ("America needs much prayer, lest it lose its soul." John Paul II)
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To: NYer

ELCA is Lutheran in name only. Missouri or Wisconsin Synods won't permit this.


4 posted on 04/13/2005 5:53:04 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: NYer

This is out of hand...This is like asking if anyone determined how Pope John Paul liked to have sex.


5 posted on 04/13/2005 5:54:09 AM PDT by Dallas59 (" I have a great team that is going to beat George W. Bush" John Kerry -2004)
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To: NYer

People that marry horses should be next.


6 posted on 04/13/2005 5:54:11 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland
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To: NYer

Headline should say 'ELCA Lutherans'.

I'm Lutheran Church Missouri-Synod'. No way LCMS is heading this way. LCMS has done a better job speaking against homosexuality in a mature way than what I heard when I was Catholic.

-- Joe


7 posted on 04/13/2005 5:54:48 AM PDT by Joe Republc
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To: NYer
The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America may become the first U.S.-based Lutheran denomination to approve the ordination of active homosexuals as clergy and lay ministers

Well, looks like my wife will get her wish to have me go to her Catholic Church on a regular basis.

8 posted on 04/13/2005 5:54:59 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: Joe Republc
I'm Lutheran Church Missouri-Synod'

What's the difference? Isn't Lutheran ... er ... Lutheran?

9 posted on 04/13/2005 5:56:16 AM PDT by NYer ("America needs much prayer, lest it lose its soul." John Paul II)
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To: NYer
active homosexuals as clergy and lay ministers

Unfortunate turn of phrase...

10 posted on 04/13/2005 5:56:42 AM PDT by lsee
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To: NYer
Dear Lord, don't let them do this!

Have they learned NOTHING from the Episcopalians? The parking lots that used to be packed are now half empty. The revenues have to be down. Do they mean to deliberately destroy EVERY denominastion?

Me thinks they do.

11 posted on 04/13/2005 5:56:47 AM PDT by doberville (Angels can fly when they take themselves lightly)
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To: Puppage

And the Catholic church has not ordained homosexuals?


12 posted on 04/13/2005 5:57:19 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: silverleaf

Not professed homosexuals. Professed homosexuals cannot even enter seminaries now.


13 posted on 04/13/2005 5:59:17 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: NYer
What's the difference? Isn't Lutheran ... er ... Lutheran?

no different that Conservative Republicans and Rinos ... a mixed marriage in the Lutheran church is one between a Missouri Synod member and an ELCA member

14 posted on 04/13/2005 6:00:23 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (Look! Jimmy Carter! History's greatest monster!)
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To: NYer
What's the difference? Isn't Lutheran ... er ... Lutheran?

No there are different types. Some are much more conservative than others.

15 posted on 04/13/2005 6:03:09 AM PDT by foolscap
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To: NYer

Will that include an Aids testing program or not?

Another religious group bites the dust.


16 posted on 04/13/2005 6:03:34 AM PDT by chatham
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To: Rutles4Ever

Don't ask, don't tell.


17 posted on 04/13/2005 6:04:11 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: NYer

I like the way they say "same-sex relationships". It opens the door for polygamy.


18 posted on 04/13/2005 6:04:24 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: NYer
Current ELCA policty allows the ordination of celibate homosexuals but not active homosexuals......

And they know they're celibate because..........?

What a farce.....it was just their way of getting that camel's nose under the tent...

The other poster was right....Lutheran in name only.

Try Missouri synod.

19 posted on 04/13/2005 6:05:39 AM PDT by Guenevere (Sola Gratia)
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To: NYer
...provided they remain faithful to their partner.

This, of course, makes all the difference in the world. (Not, however, in Heaven.)

I think the ELCA should recognize that some potential pastors may enjoy having sex with an animal partner. Male or female should make no difference as long as they stay committed to that "partner."

These denominations of Christianity are so far out of touch with the Ten Commandments and the Gospels that they defy gravity.

20 posted on 04/13/2005 6:06:17 AM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal Today)
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To: doberville
Ah, the fruit of ordained homosexual clergy: physical and theological molestation

From World Net Daily:
Episcopal Bishop Gene Robinson, the first openly homosexual bishop of his denomination, has angered traditionalist Anglicans by suggesting that Jesus Christ might have been homosexual.

Robinson, who left his wife – and mother of his two daughters – to cohabit with his male lover, Mark, made his inflammatory remarks during an address titled, "Homosexuality and the Body of Christ: Is There a New Way?" at Christ Church of Hamilton and Wenham, Massachusetts. The bishop was asked by a congregant how Christians could both accept homosexuality and the Bible's emphasis on redemption for sins.

"Interestingly enough, in this day of traditional family values," answered Robinson, "this man that we follow was single, as far as we know, traveled with a bunch of men, had a disciple who was known as 'the one whom Jesus loved' and said my family is not my mother and father, my family is those who do the will of God. None of us likes those harsh words. That's who Jesus is, that's who he was at heart, in his earthly life.

"Those who would posit the nuclear family as the be all and end all of God's creation probably don't find that much in the gospels to support it," he concluded.

This is Satanic. Period. End of story. I hope conservative Lutherans take a stand against this train of throught...

21 posted on 04/13/2005 6:07:12 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: NYer

Would the last Christian leaving the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America please turn out the lights? The folks who now run the place prefer the darkness.


22 posted on 04/13/2005 6:07:51 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: NYer
the ordination of active homosexuals

Reminds me of an old Jewish joke:

Two Jewish mothers are comparing notes about their sons.

"So, what does your son do?"
"My son is a physician, a specialist in neurosurgery," said the first mother, proudly, "and your son?"
"Don't ask. He's a practicing homosexual."
"Ah, a practicing homosexual. So where's his office?"

23 posted on 04/13/2005 6:08:10 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: Puppage
Well, looks like my wife will get her wish to have me go to her Catholic Church on a regular basis.


Be Not Afraid!

24 posted on 04/13/2005 6:08:33 AM PDT by NYer ("America needs much prayer, lest it lose its soul." John Paul II)
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To: silverleaf
And the Catholic church has not ordained homosexuals?

When? Where? Is it a policy of the Catholic Church?

25 posted on 04/13/2005 6:08:50 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: Joe Republc
#7...The same with PCA Presbyterians...(Reformed)...

Not anyway, anyhow, anytime associated with liberal USA Presbyterian--the mainline church.

The only thing they share is the word, Presbyterian.

That's why there is a Missouri synod, Wisconsin synod Lutherans, and PCA Presbyterians....because we want to distance ourselves from the liberal mainline Lutheran, Presbyterian so called churches who grab the headlines all the time!!

26 posted on 04/13/2005 6:10:29 AM PDT by Guenevere (Sola Gratia)
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To: foolscap
No there are different types. Some are much more conservative than others.

Excuse the ignorance but don't they profess the same faith?

27 posted on 04/13/2005 6:10:36 AM PDT by NYer ("America needs much prayer, lest it lose its soul." John Paul II)
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To: lsee

Lay ministers who want to attend the ... *kaff* ... seminary.


28 posted on 04/13/2005 6:13:10 AM PDT by martin_fierro (ĦEso es Queso!)
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To: NYer
That "Bible" is so old-fashioned.
29 posted on 04/13/2005 6:13:54 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: HereInTheHeartland
People that marry horses should be next.

Do they really have to marry them?

...

On the other hand, if they both love each other...
30 posted on 04/13/2005 6:14:03 AM PDT by chukcha
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To: newgeezer

ping


31 posted on 04/13/2005 6:14:20 AM PDT by biblewonk (Jer 7:18 and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven;)
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To: NYer

Are we witnessing the demise of the next Protestant denomination via schism?


32 posted on 04/13/2005 6:18:43 AM PDT by starfish923
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To: NYer

While the ELCA has its liberal groups, I see adopting this policy as likely to split many of the synods(church districts) and cause individual churches to give up their ELCA affiliation.


33 posted on 04/13/2005 6:19:25 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: doberville
Have they learned NOTHING from the Episcopalians?

They have. They win either way. Either they take control of the church, or they drive out and shake the faith of the saner members.

34 posted on 04/13/2005 6:24:21 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: doberville
"Do they mean to deliberately destroy EVERY denominastion?"

Homosexuals would rather destroy every church than to admit same gender sex is a sin.

And of course, we know satan would like nothing better than to render every church ineffective.

35 posted on 04/13/2005 6:26:48 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: doberville

No, they mean to aquire the mantle of traditional Protestant Christianity and they already succeeded decades ago with the seizure of the seminaries. The apostates and heretics now in charge are only changing the displays in the store windows. Only sleeping church goers who haven't had the courage to demand accoutability from their leaders are suprised by this.


36 posted on 04/13/2005 6:27:08 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Let's pull the feeding tube of the American left - Defund NPR/PBS/CBP and the LSC)
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To: Cboldt

Totaly not suprised that ELCA would do this,that's why we belong to a Missouri Synod Luthern Church.


37 posted on 04/13/2005 6:28:09 AM PDT by Antique Gal (Antique Gal)
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To: doberville
Have they learned NOTHING from the Episcopalians?

Yes they did, but not in the way we might have liked. The ELCA signed a number of binding agreements with the Episcopalians a few years back, despite a fuss from many local congregations who (rightly) objected. It was akin to a hostile corporate takeover with the board as willing participants.

38 posted on 04/13/2005 6:29:55 AM PDT by niteowl77 (I hate it when I partonize myself.)
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To: Antique Gal
Totaly not suprised that ELCA would do this,that's why we belong to a Missouri Synod Luthern Church.

Born and raised LCMS, but it's tough to come by a congregation in New England.

My mother's father and my younger brother were both ordained LCMS. Grandpa passed away years ago. Little 'bro changed career path but still keeps the faith.

39 posted on 04/13/2005 6:31:37 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: NYer
The 15 Largest Religious Groups in the United States
Ranked by 1980-1990 Growth Rates

Lutheran Church (Missouri Synod) -0.73%

Evangelical Lutheran Church in America -2.85% *

No wonder they are on the decline.

Lesson: When you get in a hole, STOP DIGGING!

* http://4churchgrowth.com/chur4240.htm

40 posted on 04/13/2005 6:32:40 AM PDT by KidGlock (Get in the pit and try to love some one)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Don't all synods support the same national organization?


41 posted on 04/13/2005 6:35:53 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Conservatism: doing what is right instead of what is easy)
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To: NYer
What's the difference? Isn't Lutheran ... er ... Lutheran?

Not exactly. Like all of Protestantdom, we are fractured into various groups, we call ours synods. The largest, and most disgustingly liberal synod, is the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA). They are an amalgamation of several smaller synods that joined in the 80's. The 2nd largest synod is the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod (LCMS, named sobecause its HQ is in St. Louis. Its also my synod). It is much more conservative than ELCA. Then the next largest is the Wisconsin Synod, a small but very very conservative group. There are several others (AALC, ELS, etc.) Most other Lutheran synods do not associate with the ELCA over their liberal stances on the authority of the Bible, female "priestesses", and homosexuality. I suspect that if they rule on the affirmative on these resolutions, the ELCA will dissolve, as there are many good churches in the ELCA who are stuck in a liberal denomination.

42 posted on 04/13/2005 6:37:22 AM PDT by egarvue (Piss a liberal off...wish them Merry Christmas!)
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To: Rutles4Ever
Professed homosexuals cannot even enter seminaries now.

Kind of like, don't ask, don't tell?
43 posted on 04/13/2005 6:39:56 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: NYer

Good news... for other demoninations which want converts.


44 posted on 04/13/2005 6:40:45 AM PDT by thoughtomator ("The Passion of the Opus" - 2 hours of a FReeper being crucified on his own self-pitying thread)
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To: chukcha

The horse of course would have to Lutheren. Mixed marriages are frowned upon.


45 posted on 04/13/2005 6:41:28 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland
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To: NYer
" What's the difference? Isn't Lutheran ... er ... Lutheran?"

No! Absolutely not. The synod makes the difference. Missouri Synod and Wisconsin Synod are much more conservative and faithful to both liturgy and doctrine.

46 posted on 04/13/2005 6:42:18 AM PDT by Irene Adler
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To: NYer

If any belongs to this denomination they should get out now.


47 posted on 04/13/2005 6:43:47 AM PDT by Delphinium
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To: silverleaf

Yeah. But the issue is finally being addressed and I'm happy to report that American seminaries are seeing a hint of the tide turning as more and more orthodox, heterosexual Catholics of all ages are entering study for the priesthood.

There's a long way to go, however...


48 posted on 04/13/2005 6:43:47 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: KidGlock

Why don't they start their own denomination, The Holy Church Of Buggery, or Lesbos of The Lord and see how many Join! BUT NOOO they have to destroy your church and mine by tearing the heart out of them. We must do the changing, not them! If they want to be members of main line churches STOP SINNING AND GET RIGHT WITH THE LORD.


49 posted on 04/13/2005 6:43:54 AM PDT by ABN 505
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To: NYer

Im afraid much of the world will be surprised when they find out that God is not tolerant.


50 posted on 04/13/2005 6:45:21 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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