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Conservative take on sexual assault harms efforts to fix problems
The Digital Collegian (Penn State) ^ | Friday, April 15, 2005 | editorial

Posted on 04/15/2005 12:40:21 PM PDT by Willie Green

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Irony has never been so transparent.

The visit of conservative and self-proclaimed anti-feminist Phyllis Schlafly to Penn State Wednesday has been denied by Young Americans for Freedom as a counter to Take Back the Night but acknowledged as a "happy coincidence."

While 200 people marched through campus to fight rape and sexual assault, Schlafly spoke to a group of 100 listeners about why women should carry guns to deter such crime.

The absurdity that 20,000 female college students should need to carry firearms to protect themselves from rape is as obvious as it is outrageous.

In fact, it is hardly worth a rebuttal.

Truth is, rape and sexual assault are not political issues. They are issues of safety. No woman, conservative or liberal, should need to carry concealed weapons to ensure her safety.

Despite not mentioning Take Back the Night during her speech, Schlafly's presence on campus clearly demonstrates the need for such activism.

Those who participated in Take Back the Night should be commended for taking a stand against an issue that is too often ignored by public officials.

And those participants should be motivated by the festering ignorance of public figures such as Schlafly, who uses hypocrisy to gain a following.

This woman, who holds a law degree and was appointed to the Commission on the Bicentennial of the U.S. Constitution from 1985 to 1991 by President Ronald Reagan, says that women should stay home instead of pursuing a career.

It is ridiculous to ask women, half of this country's work force, to delay their careers until each of their children graduates from high school.

Schlafly said in her speech that feminists seek preferential treatment for women, not equality for all. She even said that feminism is the "big lie of the century." This is a statement made out of pure ignorance of the feminist movement. Ask any women's studies professor or student.

"Feminism," along with liberalism, has been thrown into the grab bag of progressive terms that have been twisted into carrying a negative connotation.

To be a feminist does not require one to participate in bra burning and flag-waving protests. So-called anti-feminists such as Schlafly perpetuate the myth of feminists being radical women.

True feminists speak up when they encounter discrimination. They fight for equality of all people, and they hold peaceful demonstrations against sexual assault. Feminism is about equal opportunity for women, gays and lesbians, minorities, and any other oppressed group.

Anything else is a lie.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; bang; banglist; donutwatch; educationnews; funnyliberals; rape; students; victim
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1 posted on 04/15/2005 12:40:21 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
The absurdity that 20,000 female college students should need to carry firearms to protect themselves from rape is as obvious as it is outrageous.

I see that the editors took the WHOLE bottle of Stupid Pills this morning.

Too bad colleges haven't really focused on readin', writin' and intelligent thought for the last twenty years...

2 posted on 04/15/2005 12:42:53 PM PDT by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: Willie Green
No woman, conservative or liberal, should need to carry concealed weapons to ensure her safety.

Yeah, and I shouldn't have to work to have a nice house and a nice car and all the beer I can drink.

They fight for equality of all people, and they hold peaceful demonstrations against sexual assault.

And exactly how many rapes and sexual assaults has that stopped? Zippo...

3 posted on 04/15/2005 12:43:31 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: Willie Green
Lessee. A sociopath rapist gets to choose between a Second Amendment Sister or an unarmed coed walking back to her dorm from the Take Back the Night demonstration. Any odds on that one?
4 posted on 04/15/2005 12:44:09 PM PDT by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: Willie Green

white males are an oppressed group.


5 posted on 04/15/2005 12:44:33 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: Willie Green
In fact, it is hardly worth a rebuttal.

Translation: We'll ram our politically correct, brain-dead mind-fart down your throat whether you want us to or not...

6 posted on 04/15/2005 12:44:36 PM PDT by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: dirtboy
And exactly how many rapes and sexual assaults has that stopped? Zippo...

Hey! Don't go confusing the mindless little Leftist goosesteppers with the facts...

7 posted on 04/15/2005 12:45:31 PM PDT by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: an amused spectator
The absurdity that 20,000 female college students should need to carry firearms to protect themselves from rape is as obvious as it is outrageous.

Absurd? I expect there would be precious few rapes at Penn State if the entire female student body took to packing heat. I don't agree with a lot of things Phyllis Schlafly says, but she's right on the mark with this advice.

8 posted on 04/15/2005 12:48:08 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: miliantnutcase

The only weapen women have is to be decent and say NO! They are just as guilty as the guys.


9 posted on 04/15/2005 12:48:30 PM PDT by Old anti feminist
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To: Willie Green

well, for discussion anyway.


10 posted on 04/15/2005 12:48:53 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (The MRS wanted to go to an expensive place to eat so I took her to the gas station.)
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To: an amused spectator
Hey! Don't go confusing the mindless little Leftist goosesteppers

That was a classic goose-step two-step. First, make a utopian statement with no basis in reality: No woman, conservative or liberal, should need to carry concealed weapons to ensure her safety. Then, show that they only need to be active enough to change the world: They fight for equality of all people, and they hold peaceful demonstrations against sexual assault.

If you look at just about every liberal nutbar position, they follow that two-step process.

11 posted on 04/15/2005 12:49:14 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: Willie Green
The absurdity that 20,000 female college students should need to carry firearms to protect themselves from rape is as obvious as it is outrageous.

'20,000' of them don't have to. As long as a few do, or even as long as some might, the mere possibility of getting shot acts as a deterrent.

Of course some of these poor souls will start wearing pink armbands or something to indicate that they oppose the use of guns, thereby indicating that they're unarmed. Might as well just get targets tattooed on their foreheads.

12 posted on 04/15/2005 12:50:05 PM PDT by OhioAttorney
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To: Old anti feminist
The only weapen women have is to be decent and say NO! They are just as guilty as the guys.

Wrong. Rape happened long before feminism. Lots of innocent women minding their own business have been attacked by predators. And the only way to deter them is by force or threat of force, with imprisonment afterwards.

13 posted on 04/15/2005 12:50:24 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: Willie Green

There is no reasoning in this piece, just name-calling. The writer might just as well have jumped up and down screaming "Nuh-uh."


14 posted on 04/15/2005 12:50:37 PM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: Willie Green
While 200 people marched through campus to fight rape and sexual assault, Schlafly spoke to a group of 100 listeners about why women should carry guns to deter such crime.

Phyllis tells it like it is!


15 posted on 04/15/2005 12:51:28 PM PDT by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Absurd? I expect there would be precious few rapes at Penn State if the entire female student body took to packing heat.

I mentioned that the writers of the statement must have taken their Stupid Pills this morning.

I kind of lean towards both a Ruger 9 AND a Street Sweeper on a sling for the ladies, myself. ;-)

16 posted on 04/15/2005 12:53:25 PM PDT by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: OhioAttorney
Of course some of these poor souls will start wearing pink armbands or something to indicate that they oppose the use of guns, thereby indicating that they're unarmed. Might as well just get targets tattooed on their foreheads.

As the so-called Million Mom March was letting out in Denver once, we lined up just past the gates of their rally and warned them that they were going into a rough neighborhood and their T-shirts would indicate to muggers that they were unarmed and unable to fight back.

For some reason, they didn't like that one bit. I wonder why, I thought it was good advice...

17 posted on 04/15/2005 12:53:27 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: dirtboy

Most feminazis pictured on this forum have no worries about being raped.....


18 posted on 04/15/2005 12:53:55 PM PDT by NRA1995 ("The Minuteman Project: doing the job our government doesn't want to do")
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To: dirtboy
And the only way to deter them is by force or threat of force, with imprisonment afterwards.

As "115 grain castrati", hopefully. ;-)

19 posted on 04/15/2005 12:55:42 PM PDT by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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To: Willie Green
The author was disingenuous; this is what she really means:

No woman, conservative or liberal, should need be permitted to carry concealed weapons to ensure her safety.

And this...

Those who participated in Take Back the Night should be commended for taking a stand against an issue that is too often ignored by public officials.

What in the world is this chick talking about? Where in the entire country is sexual assault legal? And who does she know who doesn't oppose sexual assault? Duh...

Is this just reflexive brainwashing, or does she really believe that some would-be predator is going to watch her little parade and decide not to be a rapist? And how does she consider waving a sign to be taking more of a stand against rapists than putting two to the center of mass?



IDIOT!!!
20 posted on 04/15/2005 12:56:26 PM PDT by Turbopilot (Viva la Reagan Revolucion!)
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To: Willie Green
In fact, it is hardly worth a rebuttal.

Then she should have ended the article right there, if it didn't need a rebuttal. But she chose to continue.

21 posted on 04/15/2005 12:57:21 PM PDT by timtoews5292004
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To: Willie Green
Women who aren't scared of guns are my kind of women.


22 posted on 04/15/2005 12:57:42 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: dirtboy

As the so-called Million Mom March was letting out in Denver once, we lined up just past the gates of their rally and warned them that they were going into a rough neighborhood and their T-shirts would indicate to muggers that they were unarmed and unable to fight back.

For some reason, they didn't like that one bit. I wonder why, I thought it was good advice...

I think so too. Geez, if they don't want to carry guns, okay. But if they'd just shaddap about it, nobody would know and the concealed-carry laws would work for them too. Instead they put up their hands and say 'Me! Me! Attack me!'

23 posted on 04/15/2005 1:00:53 PM PDT by OhioAttorney
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To: OhioAttorney

One of the TRT boyz had made up some really nice, attractive, glossy yards signs proclaiming "This house is a gun-free zone". He offered them for free to the Millom Moms as they left. None took him up on his generous offer.


24 posted on 04/15/2005 1:02:37 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: dirtboy
One of the TRT boyz had made up some really nice, attractive, glossy yards signs proclaiming "This house is a gun-free zone". He offered them for free to the Millom Moms as they left. None took him up on his generous offer.

Hee hee. Brilliant. (And revealing.)

25 posted on 04/15/2005 1:04:08 PM PDT by OhioAttorney
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To: Willie Green
While 200 people marched through campus to fight rape and sexual assault, Schlafly spoke to a group of 100 listeners about why women should carry guns to deter such crime.

At least Schlafly is proposing a solution, istead of just whinging about the problem.

Try it and see if it works. (The problem with progessives is they are scared to change)

26 posted on 04/15/2005 1:04:57 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Ain't I a stinker?")
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To: Old anti feminist; annyokie

Oh really? Are you a man or a woman? I hope your pet theory never comes around and bites you in the ass.


27 posted on 04/15/2005 1:05:55 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: Old anti feminist
The only weapen women have is to be decent and say NO!

If you say so. I'd still suggest a handgun for backup, just in case 'no' doesn't work.

28 posted on 04/15/2005 1:07:37 PM PDT by OhioAttorney
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To: dirtboy
No woman, conservative or liberal, should need to carry concealed weapons to ensure her safety.

Actually, admittedly, carrying any kind of concealed weapon slightly increases the risk to the safety of the carrier. The point of a concealed weapon is that it dramatically increases the risk to the safety of predators, producing a net improvement for public safety!!!

29 posted on 04/15/2005 1:09:32 PM PDT by Theophilus (Save Little Democrats, Stop Abortion)
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To: Theophilus

One of the TRT boyz had made up some really nice, attractive, glossy yards signs proclaiming "This house is a gun-free zone". He offered them for free to the Millom Moms as they left. None took him up on his generous offer.

Might as well change the sign to Safe house for burgalars as that will be the effect. In a perfect world women wouldn't need to carry any kind of protection. Note to liberals: In your desire to avoid God and black and white truths I shall kindly inform you that this is not a perfect world.


30 posted on 04/15/2005 1:29:38 PM PDT by Cat loving Texan
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To: Willie Green
Written by the Digital Collegian, that is by the students of Penn State.

Did you really expect a coherent argument?

Most universities are institutions that keep people stupid. Case and point. The question is: how did we get here?

31 posted on 04/15/2005 1:39:53 PM PDT by Cincincinati Spiritus
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To: Willie Green

-No woman, conservative or liberal, should need to carry concealed weapons to ensure her safety.-

"Should" not need to? I totally agree, but the actual need outweighs what might take place in a perfect world.

Of course, if anybody's going to carry a weapon, they should know how to use it. No point giving anyone a gun if they're afraid to hold it.


32 posted on 04/15/2005 1:43:39 PM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: Willie Green
"Truth is, rape and sexual assault are not political issues. They are issues of safety. No woman, conservative or liberal, should need to carry concealed weapons to ensure her safety."

Well if that's the truth then it seems that at Penn State there is a difference between the truth and reality. If there are rapists about, a gun is just what you need.

33 posted on 04/15/2005 1:46:18 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: OhioAttorney
The absurdity that 20,000 female college students should need to carry firearms to protect themselves from rape is as obvious as it is outrageous. -Penn State student newspaper editorial

'20,000' of them don't have to. As long as a few do, or even as long as some might, the mere possibility of getting shot acts as a deterrent.

Absolutely. Carjackings in Houston went down dramatically when a few jackers got shot dead. In that case, the guns used to shoot the jackers were illegal to be carried in the car, but that didn't make the perps any less legally dead.

34 posted on 04/15/2005 1:49:00 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: cyborg

Hey, I am a women. Women are not helpless creatures! If their brain is funcioning at all, they can avoid situations. Men think women want sex as much as they do, so why not try? Its up to the women more than the man. to control. I'm not talking about rapists'


35 posted on 04/15/2005 2:02:37 PM PDT by Old anti feminist
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To: Old anti feminist

Your attitude is indeed amazing but not surprising. Women are usually more in denial and hateful towards women who've been raped. I hope your guardian angel works overtime my friend. The things you're saying could one day be said about you.


36 posted on 04/15/2005 2:05:06 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: Willie Green
Schlafly said in her speech that feminists seek preferential treatment for women, not equality for all. She even said that feminism is the "big lie of the century." This is a statement made out of pure ignorance of the feminist movement. Ask any women's studies professor or student.

Of course, that an opinion is held by at least one "womyn's studies" student or professor is documentary proof of the rightness of that opinion and is actually admissible as evidence in court. No "womyn's studies" professor or student could ever be biased or incorrect. (slapping forehead)

37 posted on 04/15/2005 2:05:21 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: Old anti feminist; Willie Green

Ah, the weapon I chose to have with me is a nice little 38 caliber, Smith and Wesson with a shrouded hammer, loaded with hollow points. Fits my hand well, and comes in and out of my pocket without snagging on my clothes. That tends to be a bit more effective at stopping a rape/robbery/mayhem than the word "NO". GROW UP!


38 posted on 04/15/2005 2:05:47 PM PDT by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: Willie Green
Feminism is about equal opportunity for women, gays and lesbians, minorities, and any other oppressed group.

How about white male Christian conservative divorced dads?

39 posted on 04/15/2005 2:07:23 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: Old anti feminist
The only weapen women have is to be decent and say NO! They are just as guilty as the guys.

You're kidding, right? If a guy holds a woman down and forces her to have sex, she's just as guilty as he is?

40 posted on 04/15/2005 2:10:07 PM PDT by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: an amused spectator
And they are basically guilty of doing the very same thing that they are trying to stop.
They are forcing something on someone without their consent or not.
41 posted on 04/15/2005 2:31:51 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Modernman

A..H..., I am not talking about rape! Women have great power to avoid getting into these situations. For God's sake I am a women and know what I am saying!


42 posted on 04/15/2005 2:37:04 PM PDT by Old anti feminist
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee

ping to one of the dumbest articles ive read in a long time it took 5 minutes of my life i will never get back and several brain cells commited suicide to get out of reading the whole article and im kinda jealous of them now.


43 posted on 04/15/2005 2:40:35 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (If you want to change goverment support the libertarian party www.lp.org)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
Rebuttal to my post:
A example of the PC crowd forcing something on someone or the public without their consent:
Some states have had elections on Same Sex Marriage Bans ( whom the majority of the public have overwhelmingly voted for it ) but, the Libs/Gay agenda with their tyrannical judges cohorts have over ruled the publics consent on the issue, therefore, allowed ( forced the public ) to allow Gay couples to marry.
Therefore, it is basically a raping of the public by the Gay agenda, and the tyrannical judges, forcing the public to accept Gay marriage.
44 posted on 04/15/2005 2:58:11 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Conservative Goddess

Excellent choice.

One hopes to never need it, but better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

As I pointed out to my sweetie many years ago, "You get a lot farther with "NO" and a .38 than just "NO""

/cliches


45 posted on 04/15/2005 3:25:21 PM PDT by absalom01
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To: Willie Green; All
I just emailed the editor in cheif of the webpaper this pic

you can email him anything you want at at

jyoung@psu.edu

let him no there are still MEN and women around that wantot do evverything in thier power to make sure all women are protected from sexual predators an d that real mena and women do do everything they can to disarm potential victims because we as conservatives love women more then we love gaining the political power that you get from disarming everyone so they have to relay on the govemrnt to protect them since its illegal to protect themselves .

46 posted on 04/15/2005 8:01:15 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (If you want to change goverment support the libertarian party www.lp.org)
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To: freepatriot32
and that real mena and women do do everything they can to disarm potential victims

Suppose to read dont do i gotta start proofreading before posting lol

47 posted on 04/15/2005 8:17:13 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (If you want to change goverment support the libertarian party www.lp.org)
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To: Willie Green
Liberals can be so funny. They dismiss the importance of self-protection. Its so much easier to be a victim than to stand up for yourself. Hey, if they want to be targets, that's their affair. What it doesn't do is give them the right to tell me I can't defend myself from the bad guys because they have a problem with it.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
48 posted on 04/15/2005 10:24:38 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: colorado tanker
Appeals to mercy works on decent people lik us in the forum. The odds are it won't work on a sociopath who has no conscience and can do anything he wants. If an unarmed woman is unfortunate enough to encounter a serial rapist, she'll be wondering for the rest of her life why she wasn't armed. Whoever wrote self-protection won't help women be empowered, has never run into a criminal and what the heck do you expect of a bunch of college kids? Its an editorial that from top to bottom, makes no sense whatsoever.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
49 posted on 04/15/2005 10:29:00 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Willie Green

The best answer to editorials such as this one is Katie Roiphe's book titled "The Morning After:Sex fear and feminism".

Even urban campuses like Columbia University could be much safer if both the general citizenry of NYC and the student population at Columbia were able to opt for having a gun.


50 posted on 04/15/2005 10:33:52 PM PDT by GladesGuru
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