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Nun silenced by new pope unhappy with choice
MSNBC.com ^ | 4/19/05 | Associated Press

Posted on 04/19/2005 1:24:20 PM PDT by Evolution

HYATTSVILLE, Md. - A nun who was ordered by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger to stop ministering to gays and lesbians called his election as pope "devastating" for those who believe the Catholic Church needs to be more tolerant on social issues such as homosexuality. advertisement Sister Jeannine Gramick said the choice of Ratzinger, who as the Vatican's guardian of doctrine silenced her and Father Robert Nugent in a 1999 order, will likely prevent the church from "moving into the 21st century and out of the Middle Ages." "

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To: Evolution; All

Here is what my wife emailed me:

"P.S. I love it: an hour hadn't passed since the anouncement of the new pope, and the MSM was already out in full force bashing him. The libs think that catholic theology and the Bible are like the Constitution: a living, breathing document and therefore subject to interpretation and changes."

I couldn't have said it better! Another loss for the termites!


81 posted on 04/19/2005 1:51:09 PM PDT by melancholy
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To: kemathen7

Amen!

The Apostle Paul made it quite clear that homosexuality is a sin, not a “social issue”. Having said that, however, the Gospel of Jesus was a Gospel of love, not hate.

That is why Christians are admonished to “hate the sin, love the sinner”.

One has to wonder just where Sister Gramick stands.


82 posted on 04/19/2005 1:51:22 PM PDT by X. OTerica
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To: ArrogantBustard
poofter is defined by his deviant sexual practices.

What if he has urges but does not act on them?

83 posted on 04/19/2005 1:52:22 PM PDT by conserv13
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To: kstewskis; onyx; cyborg; Petronski; fortunecookie

These people brought their beer recipe with
them from Bavaria in the nineteenth century,
and the brewery's only a mile away. ;OD

84 posted on 04/19/2005 1:53:18 PM PDT by Petronski (Pope Benedict XVI: A German Shephard on the Throne of Peter)
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To: kstewskis
I was this happy with the election of John Paul II, but
I am particularly happy today, because the election of
Cardinal Ratzinger is affirmation of our beloved JPII,
PLUS the meltdown of MSM and the others who'd have our
Church disintegrate are so uproariously funny.
85 posted on 04/19/2005 1:53:32 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Evolution
When a Janet Reno type tells me that the new Pope is a bad choice, I tend to discount her concern; I don't care whether she is dressed as a nun or not. Enough radicals have infiltrated the Church.

Catholic liberals are sounding like cry babies when they don't get their way.

86 posted on 04/19/2005 1:55:15 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: Evolution

MSNBC probably looked far and wide to find a nun who would be critical of the Pope.

"WANTED: News producer wants to interview priest or nun who thinks Catholic Church is too conservative. Softball questions and sympathetic treatment for the right subject assured."


87 posted on 04/19/2005 1:55:32 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The Irish are the blacks of Europe ... So say it once, say it loud, 'I'm black and I'm proud'. ")
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To: Mark in the Old South

There is already the Episcopagan. They have already started a gay outreach. I think Vicky Gene Robinson heads it up. Or she could go Lesbiaterian.




LOL-LOL-LOL.
Perfect.


88 posted on 04/19/2005 1:56:44 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Petronski; onyx; cyborg; fortunecookie
I'll get the steins!

>

Who am I missing??

89 posted on 04/19/2005 1:57:00 PM PDT by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles"....Fr. A Saenz.)
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To: Evolution

tell me why I am wrong?


90 posted on 04/19/2005 1:57:04 PM PDT by LSUsoph
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To: cyborg; onyx; Petronski; kstewskis
I agree - bubbly would help make this festive occasion even more festive. I don't have anything on hand. However, in honor of our new Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI, perhaps a local beer brewed by descendants of Bavaria, would be in order:


91 posted on 04/19/2005 1:57:09 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: onyx
PLUS the meltdown of MSM and the others who'd have our Church disintegrate are so uproariously funny

I bet the evening news are going to be a great show, watching liberals going apoplectic.

92 posted on 04/19/2005 1:57:10 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: george wythe


By George, I know you're right.
They'll have the "proper" guests.


93 posted on 04/19/2005 1:58:58 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Dont Mention the War
By the time JPII died, he'd appointed all but something like three of the cardinals in the entire world.

Yep.. and Ratzinger was one of the three.

94 posted on 04/19/2005 1:59:44 PM PDT by IMRight
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To: HamiltonJay

HOME RUN !!!


95 posted on 04/19/2005 1:59:51 PM PDT by dartuser (Many people think that questioning Darwinian evolution must be equivalent to espousing creationism.)
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To: Evolution
A nun who was ordered by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger to stop ministering to gays and lesbians called his election as pope "devastating" for those who believe the Catholic Church needs to be more tolerant on social issues such as homosexuality. advertisement Sister Jeannine Gramick said the choice of Ratzinger, who as the Vatican's guardian of doctrine silenced her and Father Robert Nugent in a 1999 order, will likely prevent the church from "moving into the 21st century and out of the Middle Ages." "

If it's not good enough for her strange interpretation of theology, he must be a good choice.

Sounds like the Vatican chose well, and by listening to the MSM I was worried a Cardinal of Liberation Theology persuasion would be picked. Pope John Paul II is still here in spirit!

I was worried, too, especially given how prevalent and entrenched Liberation Theo is in some places. They did choose well. Pope John Paul II is indeed with us!

96 posted on 04/19/2005 2:00:47 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: conserv13

yes, priests could marry until the Middle Ages. (13th century, I believe) Priestly celibacy was imposed as a matter of Discpline. it is not a part of Church Dogma or Doctrine. There is a difference. It was imposed because many priests were not performing their duties, but busy leading married lives. The discpline was imposed to focus men on their vocations exclusively. This was only imposed on the Roman rite of the Catholic Church. Other rites of the Catholic Church: Byzantine for example, continue to have married priests. (also we have married priests who converted from being priests in the Episcopalian and Lutheran denominations). Not ordaining women...this is a matter for doctrine, based on Jesus selecting his 12 Apostles. Not sanctioning gay marriage? Also doctrinal. (see the epistles of St. Paul, and the Book of Leviticus). Doctrine and Dogma are close to impossible to change. Thus, the gnashing and grinding of teeth over not getting female priests is likely to continue to the end of time.

As for corrupt Popes. Yep. there have been dozens. Popes who have used the office for pure political power. And there have been anti-Popes. But the Catholic believes, that even the Papacy is not immune to human corruption. What is immune is the teaching, the faith, the doctrine of the Church. Not coincidentally, those bad popes didn't issue anything of theological significance. We believe the Holy Spirit protected Church teaching from corruption in those cases. We could get an anti-Pope again. We continue to witness corruption in the pedophilia scandals. the church is made up of human beings, as is any church.



We put our faith in
God, in Christ and the Holy Spirit to guide the Church in such troubled times.


97 posted on 04/19/2005 2:02:04 PM PDT by tangodown
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To: onyx
PLUS the meltdown of MSM and the others who'd have our Church disintegrate are so uproariously funny.

I know we shouldn't "gloat" but....dang I'm splitting a gut over it too!

They (the libs) are all spitting nails!

Especially the nun I know who brought me through OCIA (ironically) 6 years ago...she is a staunch supporter of women priests, and very liberal in that regard.

I can bet she is not a happy camper this afternoon.

/snicker!

98 posted on 04/19/2005 2:02:45 PM PDT by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles"....Fr. A Saenz.)
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To: Evolution

From the New Ways Website:

(Just a small exerpt - I'm sure more than enough for anyone!)

"The document (Vatican Statement on same sex marraige) almost implies that the first chapters of Genesis, "in which the voice of nature itself is heard," are a biblical revelation of mandatory heterosexuality, although the latter concept has been defined only by modern science. The relevant passages (Gen.1:26-31; 2:7,18-25) principally reveal the creation of sexual human beings in God's own image. The divine image is neither male nor female, neither heterosexual nor homosexual, and not concerned with marriage. The divine image concerns itself with loving relationships."

"The Vatican document attempts to influence not only civic governmental bodies but also all those “who believe in Christ” and everyone “committed to…the common good.” Yet in speaking of the “natural moral law,” the authors of the document disregard the fact that some religious denominations have blessed homosexual unions for years, without viewing such practices as contrary to scripture, nature, or moral principles."

"Despite the Vatican’s persistent view that same-sex “unions are harmful to the proper development of human society,” some prominent theologians, such as Philip Keane in Sexuality Morality (1977), have long suggested that the Catholic Church itself should find ways of supporting stable homosexual partnerships. In fact, according to John Boswell’s Same-Sex Unions in Premodern Europe (1994), historically the Church may even have blessed such relationships at certain times and places under more enlightened circumstances."


99 posted on 04/19/2005 2:03:33 PM PDT by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: Evolution
This is the same Sr. Grammick that is a good friend and defender of Paul Shanley, perhaps the most notorious and unrepentant of the priestly pedophiles. He was a founder of NAMBLA.

If she is unhappy, then you can bet that the Holy Spirit did His work well!
100 posted on 04/19/2005 2:03:41 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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