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Hardball: Renegade Ex-Nun Says Catholicism Should be About Following Your Own Conscience
Hardball - MSNBC | governsleast governsbest

Posted on 04/19/2005 4:51:41 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

Chris Matthews is currently interviewing Sister Jeannine Gramick, a former nun who was booted out by then-Cardinal Ratzinger. Matthews said her 'crime' was ministering to gays, but obviously there is nothing inherently wrong with ministering to anyone, so I have to assume her actions went well beyond that. She has started a new sect called "New Ways Ministry."

In any case, Matthews was clearly in a quandary. He sympathizes with Gramick's liberal views, but, not being totally irrational, can't get around the unequivocal language of the Bible outlawing homosexual activity.

He asked Gramick what could she expect a Pope, even a liberal one, to do. She said that ultimately Catholicism is about love . . . "and following your own conscience."

HUH?

When a religion ceases to be about eternal moral law binding on its adherents, and to the contrary says that people are free to follow their own conscience, it ceases to be a religion.

Frankly, I was shocked at the vapidity and illogic of the sister's statement. If "following your own conscience" instructs a person to commit mass murder, is that OK too with the good sister?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: anticatholic; benedict; benedictxvi; evilisnotgood; godisnotmocked; kook; lunacy; pope; ratzinger
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1 posted on 04/19/2005 4:51:54 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; netmilsmom; Diogenesis; YaYa123; MEG33; ...

Chris Matthews MSNBC ping to the Today Show ping list.

Apologies for the multiple pings, but it's an historic day.


2 posted on 04/19/2005 4:52:57 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
To this, the Bible (Jer. 17:9) says,

The heart is more deceitful than all else and is desperately sick; Who can understand it?

3 posted on 04/19/2005 4:55:06 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Chrissy was very sullen today at the election of Pope Benedict XVI.


4 posted on 04/19/2005 4:55:12 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

She must be MSNBC's go-to-gal on this issue. Earlier article about her here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1386880/posts


5 posted on 04/19/2005 4:56:13 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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To: Dane

I really think Matthews is in a bind. He's too smart to be able to ignore, as this clueless 'sister' does, the Bible's unambiguous language. Yet it runs contrary to the DNC platform. What's a lib to do?


6 posted on 04/19/2005 4:56:40 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

http://mysite.verizon.net/~vze43yrc/cofounders.html

Statements, press releases, background regarding the May 23, 2000, Vatican decision to silence New Ways' co-founders and responses, press releases, statements regarding the July, 1999, Vatican decision to end the ministry of New Ways' co-founders Sister Jeannine Gramick and Father Robert Nugent.


7 posted on 04/19/2005 4:56:42 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Gee that sounds an awful lot like "Do what thou whilst." Hmmm, where have I heard that one before?


8 posted on 04/19/2005 4:57:03 PM PDT by dfwgator (Minutemen: Just doing the jobs that American politicians won't do.)
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To: Mo1

Thanks.


9 posted on 04/19/2005 4:57:24 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: dfwgator

"If it feelest good, doest it thou!"


10 posted on 04/19/2005 4:58:18 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Thanks for the thread. I missed the beginning of the segment and was wondering who she was.


11 posted on 04/19/2005 4:58:44 PM PDT by syriacus (Weird George Felos repeatedly flicked his tongue out his gaping mouth when lying to the press 3/31)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I hope this wackado ex-nun is all over the news for the next few weeks. Her arguments are so incoherent, emotional, and childish that the fact she has been given the boot by Ratzinger is the best advertisement I can think of for our new Pope and the orthodox Catholicism he upholds.
12 posted on 04/19/2005 4:58:44 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

There is a whole bunch on Sister

You just watch the liberals freak out about this Pope

It's All About the Gays!


13 posted on 04/19/2005 4:58:51 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
She said that ultimately Catholicism is about love . . . "and following your own conscience."

Then why even bother bringing the bible or God into it. If you have no moral absolutes, you have no church, you have a coffee klatch. Screwtape's minions did a number on this lady somewhere along the line.

14 posted on 04/19/2005 5:00:37 PM PDT by SoDak (hoist that rag!)
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To: utahagen

I'm not Catholic, but I couldn't agree with you more. I was truly shocked. This is a woman who presumably has spent most of her adult life thinking about these profound issues, and the best she could come up with was to define Catholic theology as "follow your own theology," a palpable absurdity.


15 posted on 04/19/2005 5:00:52 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Is this the "nun" the "Screwball" Mathews had on his show?


16 posted on 04/19/2005 5:01:14 PM PDT by drpix
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I think this Nun should follow her conscience and get the hell out of the Catholic Church and go join with the fag Bishop Gene Robinson. Real Catholics sure wont mniss her.


17 posted on 04/19/2005 5:02:12 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Dane

I had to watch ABC's coverage when the news broke at noon, because I was in a waiting room. I enjoyed watching the libs scramble for words but wish I could have switched to some other channels, too.


18 posted on 04/19/2005 5:02:53 PM PDT by syriacus (Weird George Felos repeatedly flicked his tongue out his gaping mouth when lying to the press 3/31)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
It's not about following your conscience, it's about following God.
19 posted on 04/19/2005 5:03:50 PM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Tina, eat the ham you fat lard!)
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MEGASUPERBARFALERT: If anyone has recently swallowed poison and is need of an instant emetic, tune to Countdown on MSNBC with Keith Olberman. He opened the show by contrasting Pope Benedict with JP II, in every way trying to cast Benedict in a negative light, starting by referring to a Nazi past.

I never watch Olberman because he sickens me, but had left MSNBC on because I had been watching and reporting on Hardball. Disgusting.


20 posted on 04/19/2005 5:04:02 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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