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Abortion referendum approved
The Portugal News ^ | +JMJ+ 23 April 05 | Staff

Posted on 04/22/2005 1:03:22 PM PDT by Siobhan

FRONT PAGE STORY - 23/04/2005

Abortion referendum approved

Abortions up to the tenth week of pregnancy were approved late Wednesday afternoon by the Portuguese Parliament. But the country’s lawmakers also decided that for the law decree proposal to come into force, a referendum on the matter would have to be held.

While voting went as planned for the majority centre-left Socialists (PS), internal squabbling within the ruling party saw at least forty MP’s call for a revision to the party’s law proposal.

These ‘dissident’ MP’s, which make up a third of the party’s parliamentary seats, presented a declaration saying that while they were in favour of the law, they were against allowing women to have legal abortions up to 16 weeks of pregnancy.

Initial reports suggest that these 40 MP’s have succeeded, and abortions, if approved in a referendum, will only be permitted up to ten weeks of pregnancy.

The proposal for the staging of a referendum on legalising abortions was approved by the Socialists and the Left Bloc, while the Social Democrats (PSD) opted to abstain. The Christian Democrats and the Communists voted against the staging of a referendum, though the latter did so as they felt abortions should be approved without consulting the electorate.

The final stumbling block in the staging of a referendum is when it is held, with the PSD calling for it to be held in 2006.

With Cavaco Silva (a member of the PSD) being the odds-on favourite to win the presidential elections next January, a referendum could be delayed indefinitely should outgoing President Jorge Sampaio fail to announce a date before his term finishes at the end of this year.

The Portuguese defeated early abortion on demand in a referendum in 1998, but that vote was considered void because less than half the electorate participated.

Currently, abortion is permitted only under highly restricted circumstances through the 12th week of pregnancy.

Officials say some 10,000 women are admitted yearly to hospital for complications resulting from botched clandestine abortions.

The question approved for referendum is: "Do you agree that an abortion performed during the first 10 weeks of pregnancy, with the consent of the woman in a legal medical establishment, cease being viewed as a crime"?



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; fatima; liberalism; madness; moloch; portugal

1 posted on 04/22/2005 1:03:24 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: sockmonkey; Coleus; NYer; sandyeggo; AlbionGirl; Salvation; narses; Pyro7480; Romulus; ninenot
An Emergency Prayer Bump for Portugal.

Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.

2 posted on 04/22/2005 1:06:53 PM PDT by Siobhan (St. Benedict of Nursia, pray for us.)
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To: Siobhan
Officials say some 10,000 women are admitted yearly to hospital for complications resulting from botched clandestine abortions.

This is a lie and a scam.

The same lying tactic that was used in the US.

3 posted on 04/22/2005 1:08:00 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Siobhan

Looks like their already dangerously low birth rates are about to drop further.

Though it is sort of sad that as of now, a liberal socialist European state has more restrictive abortion laws than the 'conservative' United States.


4 posted on 04/22/2005 1:09:46 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: wideawake

Its a cheap flight to the UK or trip over the border to Spain and the low countries if a Portuguese woman really wants an abortion. I find those statistics about "back alley abortions" to be highly suspect.


5 posted on 04/22/2005 1:09:51 PM PDT by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: Aetius

That's because abortion laws were passed legislatively in Europe and Latin America, rather than by judicial fiat.


6 posted on 04/22/2005 1:10:36 PM PDT by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: wideawake

Yes it is a lie and scam being promoted by all of the usual suspects.


7 posted on 04/22/2005 1:11:17 PM PDT by Siobhan (St. Benedict of Nursia, pray for us.)
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To: Siobhan
Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.

Yes, please do. And for the never-born souls.

8 posted on 04/22/2005 1:12:12 PM PDT by steve86
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To: Clemenza
Its a cheap flight to the UK or trip over the border to Spain and the low countries

Yup. If you take a train from Lisbon to the south of France you can get a quick and cheap abortion.

9 posted on 04/22/2005 1:17:22 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: cpforlife.org; St. Johann Tetzel; AKA Elena; Askel5; Domestic Church

P I N G


10 posted on 04/22/2005 1:20:05 PM PDT by Siobhan (Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.)
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To: Clemenza

True. If not for the Courts, the Left in this country would have virtually no victories to point to in the national Culture War. If limited to the area where their far-left, radical, extremist agenda could be implemented legislatively then they'd have just a handful of states.


11 posted on 04/22/2005 1:31:55 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: Lady In Blue; nickcarraway

Pray for Life!


12 posted on 04/22/2005 1:58:12 PM PDT by Siobhan (Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.)
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To: Siobhan; .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; annalex; Annie03; ...
An Emergency Prayer Bump for Portugal.

Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.

"But in Portugal, the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved." - Our Lady of Fatima

This is hard to understand, Siobhan. What has happened to the good people of Portugal?

13 posted on 04/22/2005 2:02:22 PM PDT by St. Johann Tetzel
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To: wideawake

"Yup. If you take a train from Lisbon to the south of France you can get a quick and cheap abortion."

No, you most certainly cannot.
In France there are waiting periods, educational requirements, partner notification, abortion is limited to the first ten weeks only, and a general pro-natalist policy. If you want a quick and easy abortion, you are better off flying to the United States, Britain or the Low Countries. France is one of the most difficult lands in Europe in which to get an abortion.


You are invited to peruse the abortion laws of the Republic of France (in English here: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/population/abortion/France.abo.htm).


14 posted on 04/22/2005 2:02:47 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Siobhan

Oh, this is terrible. Prayers up.


15 posted on 04/22/2005 2:17:13 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: Vicomte13
Your link does not work.

Also, I believe the pro-natalist policies are focused on French citizens, not visitors.

16 posted on 04/22/2005 2:19:08 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Siobhan

O my Jesus, forgive us our sins.
Save us from the fires of Hell;
lead all souls into Heaven,
especially those in most need of Thy mercy.
Amen.


17 posted on 04/22/2005 2:19:21 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: wideawake

Sorry about the link.

It worked yesterday, and I posted it. Of course, maybe there were a lot of hits on an otherwise academic site and they pulled it.

As to visitors, the same laws apply.
For example: parental notification. It is a crime to perform an abortion in France on a minor without parental consent, and the law very specifically applies to foreigners and travellers in France as well as citizens.

France came late to the abortion game, and does not like abortion. Nor will it permit abortion mills to operate. There are strict requirements on WHERE an abortion can be performed, and the laws impose a 25% limit on the total abortion procedures that can be performed by any establishment. So, for example, a hospital or clinic may not have more than 25% of its procedures be abortions in any year. The other 75% of procedures must be something else. Etc. Women seeking an abortion in France have to have a one week waiting period, and the initial interview must provide extensive, state generated information on all of the alternatives to abortion.

Also, although this is difficult to track exactly, the law in France prohibits abortion as a contraceptive purpose. Thus, a woman who has had serial abortions will be turned away in France, because she uses abortion as post-pregnancy birth control. The law prohibits that.

It is a strict law, and it is not likely to get any weaker.
Much like the drug laws, which are perennially tougher in France than in the surrounding countries.

The French are not economically conservative, but are surprisingly conservative on moral matters, heterosexual sex excepted.


18 posted on 04/22/2005 2:43:44 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: wideawake

Sorry about the link.

It worked yesterday, and I posted it. Of course, maybe there were a lot of hits on an otherwise academic site and they pulled it.

As to visitors, the same laws apply.
For example: parental notification. It is a crime to perform an abortion in France on a minor without parental consent, and the law very specifically applies to foreigners and travellers in France as well as citizens.

France came late to the abortion game, and does not like abortion. Nor will it permit abortion mills to operate. There are strict requirements on WHERE an abortion can be performed, and the laws impose a 25% limit on the total abortion procedures that can be performed by any establishment. So, for example, a hospital or clinic may not have more than 25% of its procedures be abortions in any year. The other 75% of procedures must be something else. Etc. Women seeking an abortion in France have to have a one week waiting period, and the initial interview must provide extensive, state generated information on all of the alternatives to abortion.

Also, although this is difficult to track exactly, the law in France prohibits abortion as a contraceptive purpose. Thus, a woman who has had serial abortions will be turned away in France, because she uses abortion as post-pregnancy birth control. The law prohibits that.

It is a strict law, and it is not likely to get any weaker.
Much like the drug laws, which are perennially tougher in France than in the surrounding countries.

The French are not economically conservative, but are surprisingly conservative on moral matters, heterosexual sex excepted.


19 posted on 04/22/2005 2:44:11 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: wideawake

If RU486 is involved prior to the hospital admission, then I could see how this could be close to accurate.


20 posted on 04/22/2005 2:48:23 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=french+abortion+laws&btnG=Google+Search

This link just worked for me.
It discusses the French abortion law, including RU-486.
The law is quite restrictive, and RU-486 abortions are regulated by it just as all other abortions are.


21 posted on 04/22/2005 3:00:20 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: MHGinTN

Actually, I apologize again for the link.
I inadvertantly posted the google search window, instead of the link itself.

If you go to the fifth entry down, "Grounds on which abortion is permitted...", you will come to the abortion laws of France.


22 posted on 04/22/2005 3:02:48 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Vicomte13

The article is about the law in Portugal. What is the RU486 usage in Portugal?


23 posted on 04/22/2005 3:05:12 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel
This is being promoted by the philosophical children of the Freemasons (the Marques do Pombal, for example) and the Marxists.

We must pray for the faithful in Portugal. They have always been tested violently by the enemies of Our Lord and Our Lady. But the faithful have never departed from the faith regardless of what their government has done.

24 posted on 04/22/2005 4:19:42 PM PDT by Siobhan (Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.)
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To: MHGinTN; Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; ...

Please FreepMail me if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

25 posted on 04/22/2005 7:04:00 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (Abortion is the Choice of Satan, the father of lies and a MURDERER from the beginning.)
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To: wideawake
Officials say some 10,000 women are admitted yearly to hospital for complications resulting from botched clandestine abortions.

I'm going to sound like a real heartless, b---h here, but... So what? If people die in the process of committing an immoral and illegal act, it's sad, but the government shouldn't turn around and make it legal so less people will die. People die from alcohol-related auto accidents all the time; it doesn't mean we should legalize drunk driving.

26 posted on 04/22/2005 7:24:05 PM PDT by two134711
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To: Siobhan
Bump and thanks for the ping. And once more:

Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.

How is it possible that they will go ahead with this knowing all that they now know about fetal develoopment? Are they not privy to pictures of a 10 week old baby?

And, I'm sorry, but if a girl goes looking for an abortion illegal or otherwise, and is herself hurt in the process, that is not the greater tragedy here. That she tried and succeeded to kill her baby, with a gun for hire is the real tragedy.

Oh for the days when a girl's Daddy came looking for the father of his unwed daughter's baby, waving a 12-guage.

27 posted on 04/22/2005 8:04:45 PM PDT by AlbionGirl (May the Lord guide your steps, Pope Benedict, and may he grant you loyal and honest advisors.)
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To: Vicomte13

Thank you. This is valuable information.


28 posted on 04/22/2005 9:10:21 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Siobhan

prayer bump


29 posted on 04/22/2005 9:54:32 PM PDT by Tribune7
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ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

30 posted on 04/24/2005 9:08:37 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("He sounds like a syrup swilling squirrel worshiper to me.")
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