Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

'The Disruption Made Teaching Virtually Impossible. I Could Not Believe What I Saw' (UK)
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 4-24-2005 | Julie Henry

Posted on 04/23/2005 6:23:18 PM PDT by blam

'The disruption made teaching virtually impossible. I could not believe what I saw'

By Julie Henry, Education Correspondent
(Filed: 24/04/2005)

As the petite, middle-aged teacher shouts desperately for the 20th time for the out-of-control class to be quiet, a faint, childish boy's voice can be heard, calling out above the deafening din: "Suck ** ***, miss".

The appalling scene of classroom disorder and disrespect is just one of many captured on film for a channel Five documentary, to be screened this week, which will reignite the debate on how to tackle bad behaviour in schools.

'Sylvia Thomas', a teacher who agreed to film her classes secretly On returning to teaching after a 30-year absence, a supply teacher using the pseudonym Sylvia Thomas secretly filmed shocking examples of lessons ruined by large numbers of pupils over a three-month period.

The documentary shows children aged from 12 to 15 completely ignoring her and other staff while they shout, scream, fight, swear and wander around the classroom at will.

In one scene a full-scale fight breaks out and a 6ft tall boy is seen wielding a rubber truncheon, as the terrified teacher calls for help. In another, pupils throw books, pens and balls of paper across the room for a full 15 minutes as the teacher protests, before they declare that they "don't give a ****". In yet more disturbing scenes, a boy in a computer class is filmed accessing hard-core porn sites and then protesting his innocence, saying "I just typed in '****', miss".

The supply teacher was filming in 15 ordinary secondary schools in London and the north of England - randomly chosen by the supply agencies she contacted, and none of them considered to be failing by recent inspection reports.

Clearly shaken by her experiences, the teacher said she could not comprehend the behaviour she filmed, using a tiny camera hidden in a briefcase and a microphone disguised as a jacket button.

"I could not believe what I saw. I could not describe what I saw," she said. "The disruption that I experienced made teaching virtually impossible. These were schools in middle-class areas, not sink estates. We are not trying to single out the schools in the programme. They could be schools in any part of the country as far as I am concerned, this behaviour is so widespread."

In almost every class, the teacher is seen repeatedly trying to restore order - but her authoritative voice and friendly, no-nonsense approach makes no apparent impact on pupils.

She is ignored or challenged constantly. In one maths class, a 12-year-old who was censured for saying, "Shite, miss!" told her: "I've got just as much right as you to say what I want. I've got a right to speak up for myself."

"It was a constant battle," the teacher said. "Some pupils have got the idea that they can threaten the teacher with the police, with being summoned and sued. Teachers end up walking on eggshells, and when you do that, you can not discipline a child. The balance between the child and the teacher has swung too far in favour of the former - and they know it. The whole way they walk down the corridor says 'We are in control'."

The documentary, Classroom Chaos, to be broadcast on Wednesday, lays bare a growing tide of "low-level disruption" identified earlier this year by school inspectors as a major concern. In his annual report, David Bell, the chief inspector of schools, said that nine per cent of secondaries suffered from "persistent and unsatisfactory" behaviour - up from six per cent in 2000.

Schools staff also report increasing levels of abuse and violence. A recent survey by the Teacher Support Network, a charity that runs a helpline for school staff, found that 98 per cent of respondents had been verbally abused and 45 per cent threatened with violence. One in five had been assaulted and 38 per cent said their personal property had been damaged or defaced.

At its conference last month, the National Union of Teachers, the biggest teacher association, voted for a national charter of behaviour - with sanctions for pupils who breach it - to be drawn up in an attempt to stem the tide.

All three main political parties have pledged to improve school discipline. Ruth Kelly, the Education Secretary, has promised support for teachers who apply zero tolerance in the classroom.

The Government still insists that schools must take their fair share of disruptive pupils, however. The Conservatives have promised to abolish appeals against pupils exclusions and create "turnaround schools" where poorly behaved pupils can be rehabilitated. Some 21,000 new teachers and smaller classes are pledged by the Liberal Democrats.

According to Ms Thomas, however, the turnaround will not be easy. "I thought maybe their behaviour was because I was bad teacher, or because I was on supply," she said. "But I've shown the video to teacher friends and they say the same things have happened to them." She has now given up teaching for good.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: believe; disruption; education; impossible; saw; teacjhing; virtually
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-65 next last
To: digger48


Are you from the UK?


41 posted on 04/23/2005 7:30:40 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell ( We must stand behind TOM DELAY!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: blam

I think you need to check your English slang. Shite stands for what it sounds like!


42 posted on 04/23/2005 7:33:38 PM PDT by Fractal Trader (Free Republic Energized - - The power of Intelligence on the Internet! Checked by Correkt Spel (TM))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: blam

The whole cultural atmosphere in England has changed for the worse.

When we spent a year in England around thirty years ago, our children attended several different schools: a private school, a convent school, and the youngest went to a state school in a small village near Cambridge.

The youngest was in a class of about 30 kids, but discipline was maintained, the kids were quite and attentive, and they learned their lessons. It was far different from American public schools at that time, which were much noisier and less disciplined, even though class sizes were much smaller.

The kids came from all sorts of social backgrounds, but they were all well behaved and evidently disciplined by their parents. This is one more aspect of British culture that has gone down hill.


43 posted on 04/23/2005 7:44:37 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LauraleeBraswell

I realize the article is from the UK, but the problems are the same here.

No, I'm a Hoosier.

I spanked my kids, and I support rare and monitored spankings in school, you obviously do not.


44 posted on 04/23/2005 7:45:20 PM PDT by digger48
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: blam
I believe this facile phrase holds a vital clue:

"friendly, no-nonsense approach ..."

45 posted on 04/23/2005 7:47:12 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jonsie
I see things haven't change in England since the movie "To Sir with Love".

Yes! I thought Sydney Poitier straightened out everything years ago! :)

46 posted on 04/23/2005 7:47:27 PM PDT by brightstar (George W. Bush -- Founding Father Of Democracy In The Middle-East)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: LauraleeBraswell
There is a BIG difference between "spanking" and "beating".
47 posted on 04/23/2005 7:47:39 PM PDT by digger48
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: k2blader
Look at the parents and you'll find the problem.

Look at the Lawyers and you'll find the problem.

48 posted on 04/23/2005 7:51:48 PM PDT by Major_Risktaker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: digger48


""There is a BIG difference between "spanking" and "beating".""


I agree.

But with that teachers union we have now!, Liberals should not be allowed to discipline any child.


49 posted on 04/23/2005 7:53:46 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell ( We must stand behind TOM DELAY!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: LauraleeBraswell

Therein lies the problem. Liberal teachers idea of "discipline" is to either relocate the student with other troublemakers, or send them to the medical community to be forced into a lifetime of mood altering drugs.

Kids learn within moments of birth, how to manipulate adults. It is up to the adults to teach them the boundaries of acceptable behavior.


50 posted on 04/23/2005 8:01:55 PM PDT by digger48
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: jonsie

Oh I do remember that one! The American equivalent was "Up The Down Staircase!"! The trouble is: In those movies; it seemed like most, if not all, problems were always solved at the end. Then the teacher/teachers ended up being the respected heroes/heroines that all students just miraculously and suddenly respected and loved. That doesn't always happen in real life. There it seems, you win some and you lose some!


51 posted on 04/23/2005 8:25:09 PM PDT by dsutah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: dsutah

The decline of the ________ empire.


52 posted on 04/23/2005 8:27:28 PM PDT by ladyjane
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: blam
The documentary shows children aged from 12 to 15 completely ignoring her and other staff while they shout, scream, fight, swear and wander around the classroom at will.

Sounds like my 1950s 5th grade S.F. East Bay classroom, when I had to transfer to a predominately black school. We moved out of the area soon after.

The shame of it is, we thought nothing of it moving into that district, as my sister & older brother had attended there 10-12 years earlier. The former principal had been a family friend

What a difference a decade can make!

I shudder reading these stories, as I have a niece (Air Force brat) who teaches in Luton, Bedforshire...mainly Pakistanis in her classes.

53 posted on 04/23/2005 9:21:57 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more work horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: blam
My mom is a teacher in the PRK (People's Republic of Kalifornia) and says that the whole system is bass akwards. Some proposed changes I would make if I could:
1) Get rid of some/most of the administrators in the system. Not the secretaries and such but the people who come up with one failed educational plan after another (death education, porn in the sex ed classes, and revisionist historians). when was the last time a teacher kept his or her job against an administrator in a budget cut? Could you imagine repeatedly failing at your job and keeping it?
2) With all that extra money from canning the pork we can now shrink the class size. 30+ students are impossible to teach if they're learning at ten different levels.
3) Make the mighty center of the educational universe Tests actually worth something. Now if a seventh grader tests at the third grade level they yell at the teacher and let the student continue in class. Do you think someone who is four school years behind what you are teaching might cause a disruption? In short, unless you can read, write, and arithmatic (verb) at the level you are passing you get held.
4) Reorganize classes based on where the students are academically. Now a typical fifth grade class has students ranging from no English (ESL) to eighth grade level. This is not fair to any of them.
5) Get back to the basics. English is the study of the language, how to write and speak, not how George Bush is a warmonger moron and we should all be like France. Teach math. Math is my strongest subject, however I am no mathematician, but last time I checked the answers were expressed in numbers and symbols and had correct solutions and incorrect ones. Change the name of a math equation from "problem" to "equation". History should at least somewhat reflect what actually happened. American history should specifically include the religious beliefs that created this great nation.
6) Lose the meducation. These are schools not pharmacies. If a student has so much energy he or she (overwhelmingly he) can't study make him run laps until he can.
7) Peer pressure is one of the strongest forces in a young person's life. Teachers should use this to their advantage when encountering rebellious/disruptive students. If the teacher can't gain control of his unruly students and the other kids are sitting back waiting for this power struggle to play out the teacher should simply walk to the doorway, chuck a tear gas grenade into the center of the room, step out and lock the door for thirty seconds. Next time the little punk opens his big mouth do you think the other students will let him go on? Repeat as necessary. The teacher has to be in control of his students and right now there is no way to discipline kids.
7a) It is unfair to make the parents 100% responsible and 0% in control. If your kid acts up and you spank him the whole nation practically grinds to a halt to bash you.
(7 and 7a might be a little exaggerated to make a point).
8. Fringe issues) Diversity has been the war cry of a hysterical dazed mass for a generation now. Christianity is not a fringe issue and shouldn't be treated as such. A thorough comparison should be made that honestly compares Christian countries with non Christian ones, especially how those nations compare in religious freedom, civil rights, freedoms, and public safety. (I just set a record on how many times the word "compare" can be used in one sentence) The Big Bang theory should stress the odds against it and how a seemingly infinite universe sprang from nothing for no reason at random. Homosexuality absolutely should not be taught in schools. I personally have gay friends and my uncle died of Aids but this doesn't make it a subject to young children, especially prepubescent children who haven't even begun thinking about the birds and the bees. Lose the psychobabble, Kids aren't the center of their universe, the world doesn't revolve around them. Children should be taught that education is ammo for the real world that comes after school. Kids should be made aware that the main reason we have school is so that they learn to survive and excel in life after school. Real world use should be stressed in learning.
Well that was my spiel on what needs to be changed, basically we need to lose government schools and put schooling into the public's hands. Open independent schools that actually teach or homeschool are the only two options that I see.
54 posted on 04/23/2005 9:22:12 PM PDT by bbenton
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kittymyrib
fertility having no correlation to intelligence.

There actually is a correlation; however, it's an inverse correlation.

55 posted on 04/23/2005 9:25:15 PM PDT by Kretek
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

Comment #56 Removed by Moderator

To: LauraleeBraswell

Now, that is certainly not a universal feeling. It wasn't where and when I was growing up, and it isn't now in most parts of the world.

Practically speaking I think it is quite a neutral practice, in terms of emotional damage, etc.


57 posted on 04/23/2005 10:12:17 PM PDT by buwaya
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: LauraleeBraswell; Poser
typical Senior things. Like Spraying the fire extinguisher at people

Typical? 40 years ago, when I was your age, we never dreamed of misusing a piece of emergency equipment! That was in the same league with setting off a false fire alarm: it just wasn't done.

Besides, it would have resulted in a suspension.

High school IS "Big Boy and Girl" school. College is "Young Men and Women school."

Most high school seniors are LEGALLY ADULTS when they graduate, and should act like it. For many of the grads, it is the last time they will set foot in a class room.

For Poser's sake, I wish more would get a job, rather than waste their time and everyone's money on 'higher education' with a major in keggers, and minor in video gaming. He wouldn't be forced to toss so many out, and those wanting to learn would have an easier time doing so.

If you were indulging in such behavior as you describe, I can only shudder to imagine what the your Liberal classmates were doing!

58 posted on 04/23/2005 10:13:54 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more work horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: blam

The solution COULD be very simple - - weed ou the dispurtors (send them home for good) and teach only those children who are civil and wish to learn. Why do I suspect that the education mafia in the UK, like here in the US, would have a problem with that?


59 posted on 04/23/2005 10:22:25 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Columba
This is a no-brainer. Where I attended public school in the South, they administered discipline with a large wooden paddle.

My 7th grade teacher sported a wide leather belt, useful for administering discipline as one stood face-to-trunk of the water oak tree in front of the school.

Worked like a charm.

However, Parliament is not going to wield the paddle or the belt -- or create policies that will allow same to be wielded. Instead, I anticipate a heavy investment in "panels", "studies" and, eventually, "pilot programs".

60 posted on 04/23/2005 10:30:32 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-65 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson