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Little Havana Remembers Elian. Five years later, the family still is coping with raid's afterm
Houston Chronicle ^ | April 24, 2005 | MADELINE BARO DIAZ

Posted on 04/24/2005 9:27:23 PM PDT by FairOpinion

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To: texasflower
That "scumbag" as you want to call him, stayed with Elian for the entire night because he was scared. That scumbag brought Elian a basket full of toys that he bought himself. He read that child stories as he held him on his lap. When Elian went to sleep, Mike stayed there anyway, because he promised Elian that he wouldn't leave him.

Awwwwwwwwwwwww..........and at the same time, those nice agents did Clintons bidding, helping to hand Elian over to Castro. If Elian would have asked Agent Mike not to be sent to Cuba, would Agent Mike given Elian that too?

41 posted on 04/25/2005 4:09:19 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: dagnabbit
We can't snatch kids just because the parents live in a crappy dictatorship.

As someone pointed out, Elian never lived with his father. But what I really want to point out is that, until the Elian case, the U.S. precedent was NOT to send children back to totalitarian dictatorships. These cases have come up before, and were always decided in favor of the child staying here. As was true in Elian's case, until Klintoon made a deal with Castro and overrode the courts' decisions.

42 posted on 04/25/2005 5:06:42 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now tizzle Ive finally accepted thiznat Im liv'n a bad hair life, Im mizzle at peace wit tha world .)
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To: exDemMom
...until the Elian case, the U.S. precedent was NOT to send children back to totalitarian dictatorships. These cases have come up before, and were always decided in favor of the child staying here. As was true in Elian's case, until Klintoon made a deal with Castro and overrode the courts' decisions.

That's right 'Mom'! Glad to have you on our side (ex-Dem, that is!).

43 posted on 04/25/2005 5:44:38 AM PDT by NewLand (Faith in The Lord trumps all!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez; Republic; Victoria Delsoul; RMDupree

Rounding up the usual suspects.


44 posted on 04/25/2005 10:22:13 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: lowbridge

Just as the military is under the commander in chief and is required to follow orders, so were those agents on the scene that day.


45 posted on 04/25/2005 3:50:38 PM PDT by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: Ken H
Hasn't Elian at the direction of Castro joined the Young Pioneers so he could follow in the Almighty leader's footsteps? He doesn't spend time with his father (so much for being reunited,) but he's being groomed as Castro's mouth piece, or in more political correct terms... as Cuban's young ambassador. I've read an article about this same subject just recently, and how thrilled the venerable leader was when he listened to Elian's own words of wisdom regarding himself, Cuba, and Fidel.
46 posted on 04/25/2005 5:44:47 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul

It would not be at all surprising. Castro was handed a major victory when Elian was turned over to Cuban government, aided and abetted by Dan Rather and the old media.


47 posted on 04/25/2005 6:26:58 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

Don't forget Clinton.


48 posted on 04/25/2005 6:30:53 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Don't forget Clinton.

Yes, we musn't forget her.

49 posted on 04/25/2005 7:22:54 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

Both of them, LOL - and crazy Reno as well.


50 posted on 04/25/2005 7:32:00 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: FairOpinion

yeah. life's never the same after you meet the Storm Troopers.


51 posted on 04/25/2005 7:33:37 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (In Honor of Terri Schiavo. http://209.245.58.70/frosty65/ Let it load and have the sound on.)
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To: NewLand

Some people are immune to logic and facts.

As they say, none are so blind, that will not see.


52 posted on 04/25/2005 7:42:54 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Those were NOT Elian's own words, as I am sure you know., but some gullible people think he made that speech of his own volition.


He read from a prepared statement.

This is the thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1389618/posts

But check out the article I found later:


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1389618/posts?page=243#243


Standing on a stage in his red and white school uniform, the 11-year-old former castaway faltered at times as he read a prepared speech...

Elián's speech also touched on the Cuban government's campaign to free five convicted Cuban agents who are serving sentences in U.S. federal prisons. He echoed Havana's frequent defense of the men as patriots who were working to prevent terrorism in Cuba at the hands of extremist exile groups in Miami.

"Those five are heroes of our history," Elián said. "On behalf of the Cuban people, I want to ask the American people to do [for them] as they did for me to return to my family."

Elián ended his speech by saying Cuba's socialist revolution "is as big as the sky" and repeating the common slogan, "Homeland or Death, we shall overcome!"




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Elian would NEVER say stuff like this on his own -- note he "faltered" as he read that garbage.


53 posted on 04/25/2005 7:48:29 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Victoria Delsoul
I was on the thread that talked about this little speech that Elian gave. There were a number of pictures. Not one -- not one -- had the "happy" Elian smiling.

Not one. And you would think (a) if there were one, Granma would have put it everywhere and (b) at some time throughout this whole mess, somebody, somewhere, would have made the kid smile. I mean, tell a little joke, give him a piece of candy, something.

54 posted on 04/25/2005 7:50:40 PM PDT by AmishDude (Join the AD fan club: "lol, Good one AD."--gopwinsin04; "Hey, AmishDude, you are right!"-FairOpinion)
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To: texasflower
Just as the military is under the commander in chief and is required to follow orders, so were those agents on the scene that day.

I don't think you can make that comparison. There are criminal penalties for refusing to follow a lawful order in the military.

The agents are civilian employees of the federal government. AFAIK, there are no civil or criminal penalties for disobeying a superior. The worst that could have happened to an agent who refused to participate in the raid would have been a reprimand or dismissal, correct?

55 posted on 04/25/2005 7:52:12 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: dagnabbit

If Daddy cared that much about the boy, he'd have married his mother and made him legitimate. So much for family values.

Besides, when it comes down to it, I tend to lean more toward a) the wishes of his mother, who was the custodial parent and clearly wanted him in America, and b) her family, who made a good life here and (here's the complicated part) NOT IN A FREAKIN' DICTATORSHIP.

Juan Miguel Gonzales was (and remains, should the need arise) a tool of Fidel Castro, who could not let someone stay in the United States who could possibly be sent back to Cuba without protesting.


56 posted on 04/25/2005 7:55:15 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I am at Dr. Venture's lab to right that which is wrong and to repair the torn curtain of time itself)
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To: dagnabbit

Here's another very tough concept, so sit down before reading:

Sometimes, the fact that it's "the law" doesn't make it right.


57 posted on 04/25/2005 7:56:59 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I am at Dr. Venture's lab to right that which is wrong and to repair the torn curtain of time itself)
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To: FairOpinion
I know that. I knew what was going to happened when Elian was “reunited” with his father. As a matter of fact, I predicted this outcome - not difficult under a communist regime, mind you. That's why I typed "his own words" in italics. :-)

Thanks for the links, btw.

58 posted on 04/25/2005 7:56:59 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: AmishDude

Sad isn't it? Poor kid, but you know, as long as Castro is happy...


59 posted on 04/25/2005 8:00:08 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: texasflower

And no one has ever come over all sick in Florida in April. It'd just be coincidence that someone happens to go down from heat after the objectionable order is voiced.

There are all sorts of ways to avoid doing something that's morally reprehensible.


60 posted on 04/25/2005 8:01:14 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I am at Dr. Venture's lab to right that which is wrong and to repair the torn curtain of time itself)
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