Boy describes sexual assault by mentor (Big Brother-Big sister pedophile)

Las Vegas Review-Journal ^ | 4-29-05 | Glen Puit

[AdamSelene235]

He's a male. his victim is a male therefore he is practicing homosexual behavior. According to the common definitions that makes him a homo

Thanks for the English lesson.

Nevadan's first post strongly implied this crime could have been prevented if the BBBS rejected declared homosexuals.

Was the perp in this case a declared homo?

[AdamSelene235]

BSA, most churches etc do not have pro-homosexual diversity statements. In fact they exclude sexual perverts explicitly (as is their right and duty)

Yes, this is the principal of free association.

Since BBBS practices full disclosure to the kid's guardian, the kid's guardian is free to exclude gun owners, homos, atheists, whatever.

Look, if a kid's parent allows them to associate with homos they can certainly do so without BBBS help. The only difference would be the homo in question would not be subjected to Criminal Background Investigation.

[dhs12345]

"...fear of being labled a homophobe."

Not me. A pedophile is a pedophile.

[John O]

Was the perp in this case a declared homo?

actually immaterial if he was declared or not. The fact is he practices homosexual behavior.

If he knew that the organization rejected sexual deviants he'd be (ever so slightly maybe) less likely to apply.

The problem is that the 'homosexuals' always try to go where the children are. They don't reproduce, they recruit

[John O]

Since BBBS practices full disclosure to the kid's guardian,

from other posts on this thread apparently they do not practice full disclosure everywhere. And even if they did, how could you trust a pro-homosexual organization to keep the sexual deviants away from your kid anyway? That would be expecting the teachers unions to keep pro-homosexual propaganda out of the classroom. It's just not going to happen

[AdamSelene235]

actually immaterial if he was declared or not. The fact is he practices homosexual behavior. If he knew that the organization rejected sexual deviants he'd be (ever so slightly maybe) less likely to apply.

I see, so the perp was bent on committing dozens of felonies and facing decades of imprisonment and losing his livelihood, but you figure the organization's diversity statement was the enabling factor.

[AdamSelene235]

from other posts on this thread apparently they do not practice full disclosure everywhere.

I haven't seen any credible documentation of these assertions. In fact, the one I looked into was a case where BBBS was sued for disclosing a volunteer's sexuality although Chinese Internet Whispers were being used to assert the opposite.

[AdamSelene235]

BSA, most churches etc do not have pro-homosexual diversity statements. In fact they exclude sexual perverts explicitly (as is their right and duty)

I see, so do you think the remaining churches need to be placed under government control so as to limit their freedom of association?

You seem to think freedom of association for the BSA is ok as long as it is used to make decisions of which you approve.

BBBS is essentially respecting a guardian's right to control who associates with their children. In absence of of BBBS supervision this includes the freedom to associate with known criminals. BBBS essentially adds the filter of a Criminal Background Investigation along with references, interviews, and then allows the parent to make a informed decision with full disclosure.

This is not 100% safe but it is generally safer than most of these kids everyday lives which often includes abusive, incarcerated, alcohol and drug addicted parents, etc. who are free at anytime to *legally* bring ex-convicts, felons, and yes, even homos into the kid's life without any supervision.

[N. Theknow]

Wanna bet? Why did he choose pediatric medicine in the first place?

Because The Boy Scouts of America didn't want him as a Scoutmaster.

[AdamSelene235]

Just out of curiousity would you say a man who rapes a 10 year old girl is a heterosexual who is encouraging his victim's hetereosexuality?

If he knew that the organization rejected sexual deviants he'd be (ever so slightly maybe) less likely to apply.

Maybe you're right, perhaps they could match the Catholic Church's record in protecting kids.

[John O]

It was certainly a contributing factor. It enabled him to find a victim in a relatively safe and efficient manner. He didn't even have to hunt, they delivered one to him.

Big Brothers/Big sisters is like take-out for NAMBLA

[John O]

In fact, the one I looked into was a case where BBBS was sued for disclosing a volunteer's sexuality

so they were sued for practising full disclosure?

[John O]

From the original point:
It is difficult to find any sizable institution these days that does not have some gobble-dee gook statement regarding diversity.

My response:
BSA, most churches etc do not have pro-homosexual diversity statements. In fact they exclude sexual perverts explicitly (as is their right and duty)

Your reply:
I see, so do you think the remaining churches need to be placed under government control so as to limit their freedom of association?

Now tell me what your reply has to do with the original point? It makes no sense as we are not talking about freedom of association at this point of the discussion

[John O]

Just out of curiousity would you say a man who rapes a 10 year old girl is a heterosexual who is encouraging his victim's hetereosexuality?

He may be a heterosexual but he is pushing her to homosexuality. Sexual abuse is the leading cause of the disease. (he should also be executed as should all child molestors)

me->If he knew that the organization rejected sexual deviants he'd be (ever so slightly maybe) less likely to apply.

you->Maybe you're right, perhaps they could match the Catholic Church's record in protecting kids.

Excellent point to bring up. The Catholic Church, in the areas that had the greatest trouble with homosexual priests molesting boys, had become openly welcoming to homosexuals. The seminaries in those areas were overrun by sexual deviants (homosexuals), the bishops in many cases were homosexuals covering for their fellow homosexuals instead of protecting the flock, and the local church had largely become non-Catholic in it's regard towards homosexuality. Further proof that we cannot let the mentally damaged (homosexuals) into positions where they can come in contact with children

[AdamSelene235]

so they were sued for practising full disclosure?

Thats what I found when I went digging on the Minneapolis case that started this controversy.

1. Now tell me what your reply has to do with the original point? It makes no sense as we are not talking about freedom of association at this point of the discussion

I think free association is at the heart of this argument. I see nothing wrong with the BSA practicing exclusion and nothing wrong with BBBS giving a parent the ultimate informed choice regarding who associates with their child.

2. Further proof that we cannot let the mentally damaged (homosexuals) into positions where they can come in contact with children

Who is "we". Who do you propose controls a child's interactions with others? The State or the legal guardian?

The Catholic Church, in the areas that had the greatest trouble with homosexual priests molesting boys, had become openly welcoming to homosexuals.

I wasn't aware the Catholic Church ordained priests who were openly declared homosexuals.

[AdamSelene235]

He may be a heterosexual but he is pushing her to homosexuality. Sexual abuse is the leading cause of the disease.

So let me get this straight. Its your position that both heterosexual and homosexual child rape are the primary drivers of homosexuality? So heterosexual rapists are in fact also "recruiting"?

[saleman]

":Wanna bet? Why did he choose pediatric medicine in the first place?"

Whoa there sport, my dad's a pediatrician. Sure pediatrics doesn't pay what a surgeon or neurologist pays but people who go into pediatrics aren't all about money. And I hope you just misspoke. I would appreciate an apology and I'm sure any pediatricians on this forum would too.

[jwalsh07]

Predators go where the prey is. Why people don't understand that mystifies me.

[hosepipe]

Wonder if Big Brothers/Big Sisters in San Fransisco and the San Fransisco area has been ugh.. VETTED.. Seems like the BB/BS in Sodom itself would be a prime target for ugh.. VETTING.. Ah! but finding someone to VET it could be a problem.. The BB/BS program there has GOT to be a virtual magnet for, lets say, recruitment by normalphobes..

[Vinnie]

And the mother allowed her son to go camping with this single man?

I may be too suspicious, but I would examine any single man that took an interest in children.