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Secret gay encounters of black men could be raising women's infection rate
SFGATE ^ | 1 May 2005 | Jason B. Johnson

Posted on 05/01/2005 9:04:33 AM PDT by csvset

Health officials have worried for years about the high rate of HIV among African Americans. Now the federal Centers for Disease Control is examining how one group, known as men on the "down low," could be spreading the disease among black women.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aids; bisexual; blackmales; blackwomen; downlow; gay; hiv; homosexuals; nobodyhas2know; riskybehavior; sex; wtfover
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I thought Republicans were responsible for the spread of AIDS/HIV. /sarcasm
1 posted on 05/01/2005 9:04:35 AM PDT by csvset
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To: csvset

How anyone in this day and age, in America, doesn't either triple condom or keep it zipped I don't know.

I know, denial. If I don't use a condom, I'm not really gay?


2 posted on 05/01/2005 9:06:06 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: csvset
We don't have to be concerned about such promiscuity among gays here in Connecticut.

We now have lawful civil unions. Gays will now be monogamous, and will not engage in such infidelity.
3 posted on 05/01/2005 9:14:59 AM PDT by sirthomasthemore (I go to my execution as the King's humble servant, but God's first!)
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To: csvset

That's frightening.


4 posted on 05/01/2005 9:15:28 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Free Mexico!)
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To: sirthomasthemore

Not all will be monogamous certainly, but neither will all heteros, I'm afraid.

(Yes, I knew you were being sarcastic.)


5 posted on 05/01/2005 9:16:33 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: csvset

"Andre Robinson of the Black Coalition on AIDS, a San Francisco outreach program. [said]"...If these men were the bridge, then why didn't this happen in the '80s?"

I think he makes a good point.


6 posted on 05/01/2005 9:18:36 AM PDT by jocon307 (dang, I lost my tagline, again!)
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To: csvset

(cough, cough) Fifty Cent (cough, cough).


8 posted on 05/01/2005 9:19:56 AM PDT by Clemenza (I am NOT A NUMBER, I am a FREE MAN!!!)
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To: csvset

"Republicans were responsible for the spread of AIDS/HIV"
9 posted on 05/01/2005 9:20:58 AM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: kennedy6979

Too bad stupidity isn't illegal! Wouldn't that solve a lot!


10 posted on 05/01/2005 9:21:35 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: csvset

There was a good SVU episode with Ice-T explaining "the down low." Pretty funny when he did it, although deadly serious.


11 posted on 05/01/2005 9:24:10 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: LS

That was a hysterical episode, about the football player and his "poker buddies."


12 posted on 05/01/2005 9:25:12 AM PDT by Clemenza (I am NOT A NUMBER, I am a FREE MAN!!!)
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Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Oakland, also spearheaded passage of the Minority AIDS Initiative, which has awarded more than $406 million in federal funds to major metropolitan areas.

Now there's an ugly disease, federal expenditures. It seems that there isn't a cure for it.

13 posted on 05/01/2005 9:26:41 AM PDT by csvset
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To: csvset
Just a wild guess but it seems like PRISON could be the wild card here.

But, ofcourse, they want you to believe there is this large, unknown percentage of gay black men to further their claims that a huge chunk of us are gay.

14 posted on 05/01/2005 9:27:16 AM PDT by riri
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To: csvset
-- The rate of HIV and AIDS was 58.2 cases per 100,000 black women, and only 2.9 per 100,000 white women. The rate for Latinas was 8.1 per 100,000.

The ratio of the black female rate to the white female rate is quite large. When you look at incarceration rates broken down by Black/Hispanic/White you see that order and huge multiples of blacks to whites - on the order of 8:1, and perhaps 3.5:1 Hispanic to White. When you look at the composition on bankruptcy filings/100,000 you see the same things.

It has long been my thesis that as data collection becomes more comprehensive and provides easier analysis for things like credit risk, criminal prevalence, diseases, fraud rates, etc. that the picture will emerge of subgroups in the population that are so different from the norm - which foist such massive costs on the rest of the population - that when the full magnitude of it is known there will be political support for efforts to allow discrimination in matters like auto insurance, etc.

If for instance, it was known that loss rates for one ethnic group of drivers were in the same proportion as the HIV+ rates quoted above (58.2/2.9=20x) would people support a surcharge on a group which cost an insurance program 20x as much as the rest of that segment? I think so. The reason that there hasn't been support for this to date is that the information has not been available. I'm sure insurance companies run and hide from the issue - but at some point they may be required to publicly disclose the segments of the insured population that are driving costs out of control. It may not be segmentation based on race - but with numbers like above, I cannot image a segmentation scheme that would drive the numbers any higher, except maybe geographic sub segments (e.g., black women in the SF area - has to be a shocking rate).

15 posted on 05/01/2005 9:37:47 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
...The rate of HIV and AIDS was 58.2 cases per 100,000 black women, and only 2.9 per 100,000 white women. The rate for Latinas was 8.1 per 100,000.

What's the rate of IV drug use in these groups?

16 posted on 05/01/2005 9:44:37 AM PDT by IRememberElian
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To: csvset

You don't say?


17 posted on 05/01/2005 9:53:01 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: jocon307

It didn't happen in the '80's? I remember one of the AIDS jokes going around back then:

Q. What's the toughest part about finding out you have AIDS?
A. Trying to convince your mother you're black.

So why were the two largest populations of HIV+ blacks and gays back then (which is what made the joke funny at the time)? Perhaps because there was significant overlap?


18 posted on 05/01/2005 9:56:09 AM PDT by No Longer Free State (Standing in the way of progress is not a party platform)
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To: No Longer Free State
So why were the two largest populations of HIV+ blacks and gays

They still are about 94% OF THE TOTAL AIDS CASES, nothing has really changed.

19 posted on 05/01/2005 10:05:13 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: csvset

Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Oakland, also spearheaded passage of the Minority AIDS Initiative, which has awarded more than $406 million in federal funds to major metropolitan areas.
Now there's an ugly disease, federal expenditures. It seems that there isn't a cure for it.

That AIDS Initiative was passed in 1998, from these new numbers you can see what good it did. I'd say it needs more money. How about an even $500 million this time, that should do it.

20 posted on 05/01/2005 10:05:32 AM PDT by Aaron0617
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To: riri

"Of course they want you to believe there is this large,unknown percentage of gay black men to further their claims that a huge chunk of us are gay."Did we read the same article?I think the point is that gay AA males are less likely to admit being gay,because there is a greater stigma attached to being homosexual in the AA community.I would assume the percentage of homosexuality amongst AA males is the same as other ethnic groups.BTW what is your def of a "huge chunk"?


21 posted on 05/01/2005 10:06:12 AM PDT by thombo
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To: org.whodat; jocon307; No Longer Free State

I used to live in the French Quarter in New Orleans in the '70's and I worked and lived in downtown Seattle in the '80's. Both places had large populations of black gay males & transvestite prostitutes.


23 posted on 05/01/2005 10:23:33 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: csvset

I always wanted a chance to state the obvious to a Forrest Gump-size crowd on the Mall in Washington:

Yes, AIDS is a punishment from God!
Yes, its a "bad person's" disease.
Yes, it is 100% preventable.
Yes, It is a sex disease.
Yes, It spilled over into the general population, but not much.
Yes, it won't go away until homosexuals stop the sexual practice of having anal sex.
Yes, homosexuals are completely to blame for AIDS in the first place and it's continuation.
Yes, political correctness and politic have allowed AIDS to kill more people than it ever should have.

Then I'd run like hell!


24 posted on 05/01/2005 10:24:10 AM PDT by whereasandsoforth (Stamp out liberals with the big boot of truth)
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To: No Longer Free State

LOL! I remember that joke!

I think the fellow I quoted was trying to make a point about transmission of HIV/AIDS to women, specifically black women; since the theory is that there is this underworld of unacknowledged black bi-sexual men.


25 posted on 05/01/2005 10:35:58 AM PDT by jocon307 (dang, I lost my tagline, again!)
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To: whereasandsoforth

I never liked how AIDS victims have been held up like heros of battle.

These people spread a deadly disease through perverse sexual contact. This may have even begun with animal/human sex in Africa.

Until we accept that homosexual sex is perverse and unhealthy this disease will continue to be the badge of honor of homosexual "victims."


26 posted on 05/01/2005 10:38:02 AM PDT by Conservatrix (He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.)
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To: csvset

There was a gay black man who wrote a book on the subject. What happens is that gay black men are not accepted by other blacks, so they stay in the closet. But to keep up appearances, they must be known to sleep with women. So you have all these HIV+ gay black men making the rounds of the black women in order to avoid suspicion


27 posted on 05/01/2005 10:43:15 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (What does the wolf care how many sheep there be?)
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To: IRememberElian
What's the rate of IV drug use in these groups?

I'd also like to know but couldn't find any numbers but there is this FR thread from last year.

Though new cases of H.I.V. among black women have been stable in the past few years, the number of those who have been infected through heterosexual sex has risen.

In 2001, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, a nonprofit group focusing on health issues, an estimated 67 percent of black women with AIDS contracted the virus through heterosexual sex, compared with 58 percent four years earlier. Black women accounted for half of all H.I.V. infections acquired through heterosexual sex, in men or women, from 1999 to 2002

AIDS Fears Grow for Black Women

I assume those not infected via heterosexual sex are from drug use.

28 posted on 05/01/2005 10:53:09 AM PDT by Aaron0617
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To: kennedy6979

History has recorded that this behavior is unwholesome and disease prone. Homosexuals have no self control. When they discover each other and decide to have sex, its like their sexual drive is sooo pent up. They are a sexual culture of I can not wait. Second it is an insatiable sexual drive. They don't seem satisfied (I think they do not seem to know that sexual emotional climax with the opposite sex is different from one with the same sex). It is like they are trying to find something to quench their drive. Multiple partners and I want it now (to the hell with waiting for a condom) mentality is killing them. Otherwise how can one explain after all the health info on HIV/STD is public knowledge, STD is on the rise in the gay community. My answer is study historical info on gay society. This is not a new phenomena. You will see the same lack of control. inability to be sexually satisfied and death by STD of that period. Ironic, we teach our kids not to smoke or drink alcohol based on historical medical data, and yet the gay lifestyle has the same problem, and schools want to elevate it as another form of normal behavior that children should sexually consider.


29 posted on 05/01/2005 10:53:46 AM PDT by Fee (Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping, for your information.

Simple cure. Traditional morality saves lives, saves marriages, saves children.

Sex in marriage only works every time it's tried. And the funny thing, people are happier that way. Promiscuity and sexual perversions don't make people happy - despite the theft of the word "gay".

Let me know if you want on/off this pinglist.


30 posted on 05/01/2005 10:58:46 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: csvset
If one must blame a politician, blame Henry Waxman. He blocked the closing of the bath houses (CA) when public health officials recommended doing so. (The epidemiology of the spread was known before the agent was.)
31 posted on 05/01/2005 10:59:24 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: No Longer Free State

The 80's joke I recall was:

Q. What's the toughest part about finding out you have AIDS?
A. Trying to convince your mother you're Hatian.


33 posted on 05/01/2005 11:42:37 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: csvset

Is saying gay black men are spreading aids racist or homophobic ?

Which label trumps which ?


34 posted on 05/01/2005 12:06:22 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: IRememberElian

Quite frankly, I don't even want to know.


35 posted on 05/01/2005 12:12:09 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: jocon307
...If these men were the bridge, then why didn't this happen in the '80s?"

Remember Magic Johnson?

36 posted on 05/01/2005 12:12:31 PM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent...)
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To: kennedy6979
It's stupidity that causes the spread. For the past 20 yrs. there has been more $ thrown at HIV education and how it's transmitted that if someone gets infected now it's either deliberate (in which case prosecute) or plain old stupidity (knowing/aware of the risks but do not take proper precautions).

Mostly stupidity, but also vindictivness.

I knew somone (since died) who got aids in the 80's through a blood transfusion.

His hatred of gays for intentionally poisioning the blood supply was deep.

Alot of gay groups, for their stupid political cause, were encouraging their members to donate blood and lie (this included people with AIDS and HIV) before proper screening came in.

What those people did is the most evil and vile and sickening acts and crimes against humanity.

Thats part of how we got a crossover into the general population.

37 posted on 05/01/2005 12:12:36 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Sonny M

"Alot of gay groups, for their stupid political cause, were encouraging their members to donate blood and lie..."

I have absolutely never heard of such a thing. Can you provide a cite for this?


38 posted on 05/01/2005 12:16:51 PM PDT by jocon307 (dang, I lost my tagline, again!)
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To: Sonny M

Alot of gay groups, for their stupid political cause, were encouraging their members to donate blood and lie (this included people with AIDS and HIV) before proper screening came in.
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You are being ridiculous.


39 posted on 05/01/2005 12:20:05 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/foundingoftheunitedstates.htm)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Every inidividual is an individual, Wally. I've had enough in my life of segregation, of racial stereotyping. I grew up in a segregated America -- it sucks. I like to take each person for what he or she is, individually.


40 posted on 05/01/2005 12:26:33 PM PDT by bvw
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To: pa mom

The Philadelphia Police raided Strawbridge and Clothier Store in Philadelphia last week. There were numerous complaints of homosexuals meeting and having sex in the mens room at the store. It made both customers and employees angry and disgusted. Finally they had a raid. They put the photo's in the paper. This is stray dog alley behavior. Yeeeesh


42 posted on 05/01/2005 12:56:21 PM PDT by oldironsides
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To: oldironsides

Agreed--I live in Philly so I've heard quite a bit about it. But there are groups of straights being grossly immoral to. No group has a monopoly on disgusting behavior.

It's unfair to gays who don't act that way to paint them with the same brush. The guys down the street from me hate that kind of stuff because it reflects badly on them. I guess it's like a Muslim who's just living his life and gets hit in the reputation by morons like Atta.


43 posted on 05/01/2005 1:14:02 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: jocon307; traviskicks

No, he's right.

I read something recently where radical gay groups encourage their "members" to donate blood. They consider it to be discrimination to NOT allow gays to donate blood.

Poke around the net. I'm sure you'll find it.


44 posted on 05/01/2005 1:19:44 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (In God We Trust. All Others We Monitor.)
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To: traviskicks; jocon307
You are being ridiculous.

I have absolutely never heard of such a thing. Can you provide a cite for this?

I'm not good with HTML, but go to google and type in the words "HIV AIDS Gay blood 198"

There are numerious articles and hits you'll get.

I use the number 198 because I could not intially recall the years.

Some of the articles will make referances to Ryan White and Arthur Ashe.

One of the first articles that will pop up lists a huge list of referances to check from and sources from.

You can call all those articles ridiculous, but its a pretty vast number there and should take no more then a few minuits to get the necessary info.

45 posted on 05/01/2005 1:32:45 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: traviskicks; jocon307

Also, here in Free Republic, just go to the archives under aids and blood, you should also find a few more referances.


46 posted on 05/01/2005 1:38:34 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: sirthomasthemore

The down low is alive and well in Connecticut prisons where it was founded.It happens when a husband or boyfriend ends up in prison for more than a month or two and he doesn't know how to control his sexual desires.All prisons have male prostitutes who parade around acting like women.Some of them have breasts, wear G-strings, wear blush and red lipstick made up of powdered cherry drink all to seduce the hard up men.It works well on the prisoners who are in prison because they don't have any self control.They will have unprotected sex with a fag who almost definitely has AIDS after he banged the entire prison population.When they leave prison and go home they bring with them the gift of AIDS that they give to their wives and girlfriends.The women who decide not to use protection are playing Russian Roulette with a gun that has a full chamber.


47 posted on 05/01/2005 1:44:40 PM PDT by rdcorso (The Democratic Party Has Become An Abomination)
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To: Beelzebubba

Yep, heard that version, too!


48 posted on 05/01/2005 1:47:29 PM PDT by No Longer Free State (Standing in the way of progress is not a party platform)
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To: sirthomasthemore
On Tolerance

The Sophistry of "Tolerance"

49 posted on 05/01/2005 1:48:42 PM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: Sonny M; VeniVidiVici

It's as simple as copying and pasting the website address. You don't need HTML to write comments.

It shouldn't be our job to go trapsing around looking for information you claim exists, especially bogus info.

However, I did your google search anyway and found nothing. It may be the case that gays claimed they were being discriminated against by not being allowed to donate blood, but if this occured it was out of ignorance, not malice.

No gay group ever told HIV positive members to donate to macliciously and 'intentionally posion the blood supply' as you (Sonny M) claim.

If they did they should have all been charged with murder as it is a crime.


50 posted on 05/01/2005 1:56:56 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/foundingoftheunitedstates.htm)
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