Posted on 05/02/2005 8:31:54 AM PDT by qam1
In Poland with little available land (there was not generous government grabbing the land from Indian tribes and making free gifts to the farmers) when the son/sons grew up, they were taking over the farm and old parents were retired (helping a little and not being in charge anymore). If farmers had only daughters the sons in laws were taking them in. What could be new was the separate new house for the newly wed on the same land.
I heard about the family squabbles from peasant friends - ambitious sons too eager to retire still able-bodied fathers.
This system led to the smaller and smaller plots so the surplus men were migrating to the cities or to America. Still among the city people the grandparents were (and still are) valuable assets as providers of childcare.
I am 24, and I just bought a house.
No way am I ever going back to live with the parents. In fact, chances are better (albeit slim) that they will be living with me and the wife sooner...in about 30 years....
Grandparents could be very useful in homeschooling!
Yeah sure. You must have read all these stories in the Bible how the fathers kicks out his sons out, once they reach magical 18 years age. Prodigal sons or or not.
"6000+ years" ?! "Nuclear family" came into being in the nuclear age for a reason.
I guess you already know your you're that smart though?
I do write in complete sentences in formal publications. Bad grammar and spelling errors hurt your credibility. Being "smart" is only half the equation. You must diligently apply your intelligence if it is to be of any value. Many people achieve "top of the class" distinction because they simply worked harder than others in the same situation. Others may have been "smarter", but failed to apply it.
LOL, reminds me of Back To School when Rodney Dangerfield is attending the business class, where the professor is talking about the economics of building a factory, and Rodney ridicules him:
Professor:
You'll see the final bottom line requires the factoring in of not just the material and construction costs but also the architects' fees and the cost of land servicing.
Melon:
Oh, you left out a bunch of stuff.
Professor:
Oh, really? Like what, for instance?
Melon:
First of all, you have to grease the local politicians for the sudden zoning problems that always come up. Then there's the kickbacks to the carpenters. And if you plan on using any cement in this building I'm sure the Teamsters would like to have a little chat with you, and that'll cost you. Don't forget a little something for the building inspectors. There's the long-term costs, such as waste disposal. I don't know if you're familiar with who runs that business but I assure you it's not the Boy Scouts.
Aha, so now ya'll is sayin' you weren't so smart and ya gonna git uppity and say yous a hod worker? Either yous real smart or real stoopid.
Being statistics and metrics oriented, I'd love to know, about the subpopulation in question:
* How many worked when they were under 18 and if so, doing what?
* How many worked during college / including taking one or more quarters off per year to work, and if so, doing what?
* How many got credit cards when they turned 18?
;)
One of the funniest screenplays EVER. :-)
As a DINK by happenstance past my ideal age for fatherhood (but still not TOO old for it) I would have to say, that, if we do end up having kids, they are going to be micromanaged so intensely in terms of fiscal responsibility and forward planning, that either they'll be mini versions of Rich Dad when they get out of college, or, they'll hate us so much they'd never want to return! :=)
I wonder if the freemarketeers understand this? I guess some of them don't (these are blinded by the false ideology) and others do (those use the ideology as a smoke screen for their con-job on the society).
Initially, the shark like Boomers discrminated against older workers. Boomers, generally, have a level of street smarts and cunning that was lacking in most of those born prior to 1945. Then, once the WW2 and Korean War generation started to retire in droves (I'll grant that a few of the latter still hold out ...) the Boomers turned on the younger generations. Just my own observations, from a management perspective, in a Fortune 500.
Or, insist that they work seasonally during college. I took 4 -1/2 years to get my undergrad degree, and worked a total of 6 quarters during that time. As soon as I had my high school degree, I became a job shopper / contractor in high tech companies, starting out with total grunt work and with the combination of constantly accumulating book knowledge and work experience, built my resume. By the time I got out of college, I already had real professional experience under my belt. Of course, going for ROTC or even going in for 2 then school after that also works quite well. Same general idea ...
Does the shop steward know you're playing with his PC?
Never understood why people want their kids to leave. Yeah, I know that they deserve their own lives & all. I love mine & enjoy their company. I have 3 20-somethings. Two living on their own, one still home. The one still home pays rent, does his own laundry, and helps out w/ care for his 8 year-old brother and his 95 year old grandfather.. My other 2 still come by often, one does all the lawn care & the other is the official chaffuer for his grandfather. And I try to send them home w/ care packages as often as possible.
Honestly, talking to some of my friends, I wonder why they had kids at all. Seems like most of them can't wait to get rid of them. I have tried to enjoy my boys, at all ages. (Though housebroken and sleeping though the night made the whole process so much easier!!)
Same here. I went to college at 16, moved back home briefly afterwards at 20, then went out on my own 6 mos later and never moved back.
And it wasn't because of partying, sex etc - I just HATE being dependent on anyone and can't tolerate having people checking on me every hour and snooping around in my stuff. My parents still treated me like I was 10 yrs old when I was there, even though I was working, doing chores, paying rent to them, etc.
And even though I was really poor for awhile and living in a basement that flooded when it rained so I had to keep my stuff up off the floor I was happy being on my own.
I love my parents but during that brief period of time I lived with them after school I couldn't even go to the mall without them bugging the hell out of me about it (and I went just to get out of the house, not to shop!!).
LQ
Alcoholics teaching sobriety, academic dropouts teaching procrastination as a lifestyle; the Clinton Effect marches on...
There's a 16 year-old middle-school dropout down the street who makes more than anyone in the neighborhood, if he ain't wearin' it, it's on his Escalade.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Aye, very passable, that, very passable bit of risotto.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: Nothing like a good glass of Château de Chasselas, eh, Josiah?
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: You're right there, Obadiah.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Who'd have thought thirty year ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Château de Chasselas, eh?
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: In them days we was glad to have the price of a cup o' tea.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: A cup o' cold tea.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Without milk or sugar.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Or tea.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: In a cracked cup, an' all.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Oh, we never had a cup. We used to have to drink out of a rolled up newspaper.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: The best we could manage was to suck on a piece of damp cloth.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: But you know, we were happy in those days, though we were poor.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Because we were poor. My old Dad used to say to me, "Money doesn't buy you happiness, son".
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Aye, 'e was right.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Aye, 'e was.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor!
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Cardboard box?
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Aye.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.
ALL: They won't!
Spoiled. With no end in sight.
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