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ABC News: Bush May Turn Setbacks into Assets
ABC News ^ | May 1, 2005 | JAKE TAPPER

Posted on 05/02/2005 9:54:14 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative

President Bush has proven to be one of the more adept and agile politicians of the modern era. Time and again, he and his political team have shown the ability to turn potential political vulnerabilities — think 9/11 — into weapons deftly applied to opponents. Democrats would do well to remember that as they gloat over two of the larger political stories out here — the fight over Social Security reform and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay's ethics controversies.

Friday in Falls Church, Va., the president not only condemned opponents — presumably Democrats — for fighting his Social Security proposal, he promised they will be punished.

"I have a duty to put ideas on the table, and I'm putting them on the table," he said. "Those who block meaningful reform are going to be held to account in the polls."

President Bush is embracing what some call "progressive indexing" — the lowest income recipients will see their Social Security benefits preserved, but future benefits for middle income earners and the wealthy will be reduced. By doing so, the president will be able to make the case, even if his plan fails, that he tried to address the fact that Social Security is not sustainable through the next few generations, and something needs to change.

Could voters come to see this as courage, especially if Democrats are offering no serious alternative solutions?

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1 posted on 05/02/2005 9:54:19 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative

Could voters come to see this as courage, especially if Democrats are offering no serious alternative solutions?

Yes. Simple question, simple answer.


2 posted on 05/02/2005 9:56:44 AM PDT by thag (Notice how they call it a "Thagline"?)
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To: West Coast Conservative

He has been misunderestimated before.


3 posted on 05/02/2005 9:59:27 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: West Coast Conservative
Could voters come to see this as courage

Nevah feah, Peetah's heah.

As long as Jennings and co. have anything to do with it, they won't.

4 posted on 05/02/2005 10:01:01 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Could this be one of those 'please don't throw me into the briar patch' moments?


5 posted on 05/02/2005 10:07:52 AM PDT by Godzilla (When you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
"Those who block meaningful reform are going to be held to account in the polls."

Snowe. McCain. Specter. Ect...

6 posted on 05/02/2005 10:09:55 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
"Those who block meaningful reform are going to be held to account in the polls."

So now holding politicians accountable at the polls is "punishing" them.

7 posted on 05/02/2005 10:10:10 AM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: Verginius Rufus
He has been misunderestimated before.

More times than we can count.

8 posted on 05/02/2005 10:10:21 AM PDT by b4its2late (It done blowed up REAL good........)
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To: West Coast Conservative

I've never found it a good idea to bash Bush because he doesn't do everything we want.

So far, he has been sound on most of the main issues. The only thing I find making me angry, time and again, is that he doesn't act fast enough. I've learned to give him the benefit of the doubt on that issue, because he uses the time well to set the Dems up for defeat. He has done that again and again: let the Dems dig their own pit and fall into it.

Notice that ABC doesn't have anything definite. They are just wondering. Has Bush snookered them again?


9 posted on 05/02/2005 10:12:44 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: West Coast Conservative

GWB is very good at using his CEO skills as president. He is a leader that gets things done.


10 posted on 05/02/2005 10:15:17 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: West Coast Conservative
"President Bush has proven to be one of the more adept and agile politicians of the modern era"

Translation: With ALL of our sights focused against him, President Bush is getting less tarnished than Reagan (the "teflon president") or Clinton (the "comeback kid", who was shielded from scandal by the same press now in attack dog mode).

11 posted on 05/02/2005 10:18:12 AM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
the lowest income recipients will see their Social Security benefits preserved, but future benefits for middle income earners and the wealthy will be reduced.

So let me get this right. The guy who saves nothing gets taken care of. The guys who saved more get penalized.

But.... the plan is to let the penalized guys pull some of their money out of the system and hopefully make up the difference that they were penalized.

Therefore, the money out of the system is replaced by the lower receipts for those taking money out.

Hmmmmmmm.....my calculator is telling me that the math could work, if the amounts of benefits no longer paid out = the amount of payments no longer paid in.

12 posted on 05/02/2005 10:19:01 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: thag

Well in the first place, there have been no setbacks. This is all just another Media lie.


13 posted on 05/02/2005 10:21:13 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: Cicero
Excellent point. I think Bush realizes that the Culture Wars won't be won in a single administration. The victory or conservatism will be won incrimentally as was the Cold War. After all the transformation of liberal Democrats into the fascist anti-American internationalists didn't happen overnight either.

It may take two or three election cycles to change the trend back towards freedom and responsibility.

14 posted on 05/02/2005 10:21:44 AM PDT by An Old Marine
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To: xzins

But if wealthier retirees see their checks reduced, won't this mean that their SS payments have been cut?

I thought that the left opposed cutting Social Security benefits. So confusing. Do democrats support or oppose this?

Candidate Jerry Springer already made such a proposal (he also wanted to eliminate the SS contributions from low income workers, giving them a free ride altogether).

And the left says that there is nothing wrong with Social Security? That it is not a giant pyramid sceme?

And the tv viewing audience still can be swayed by AARP ads against the President?

Hooo boy.


15 posted on 05/02/2005 10:23:04 AM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: weegee

Yes, the wealthier retirees get less SS benefits, BUT they get to have ISSA's (Individual Social Security Account) and their Individual SS Accounts make up the difference in their lower SS payments.


16 posted on 05/02/2005 10:28:38 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: b4its2late

Yeah! And by more than one basher on this forum!


17 posted on 05/02/2005 10:31:01 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Don't let Terri's death be in vain!)
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To: xzins

Under Candidate Springer's plan (which could always be picked up by democrats who were elected), higher income earners would pay more into the system to make up for those lower income earners who were exempted from making payments.


18 posted on 05/02/2005 10:31:27 AM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: West Coast Conservative

The only way the President scores so low on these polls is because the questions are so slanted. It is the non-political season, and nobody is bothering to read the extracts. The polls are being done to advance the MSM line.

Remember the ABCNews poll on Pope Benedict XVI? Something on the order of 80% of the Catholic respondents said they strongly supported the new Pope, but only 30% of them said they were "enthusiastic" about all of the positions he had taken as Cardinal over the years. Instead of the headline being "80% of Catholics support new Pope" it was "70% of Catholics disagree with new Pope".

But the mass of people know what they think on these matters. This story represents the first move toward ABCNews accepting objective reality.


20 posted on 05/02/2005 10:44:25 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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