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California Border Patrol Is Proposed (Schwarzenegger "not commenting")
Los Angeles Times ^ | May 5, 2005 | Robert Salladay

Posted on 05/05/2005 2:24:30 AM PDT by calcowgirl

SACRAMENTO — California would create its own border patrol of more than 1,000 officers and volunteers under a possible 2006 ballot initiative introduced Wednesday by conservative activists and a state assemblyman.

The California Border Police Act was submitted to Atty. Gen. Bill Lockyer for legal review Wednesday, the first step in getting it qualified for next year's June ballot.

Its main sponsor is Assemblyman Ray Haynes, a Republican from Murrieta, who must collect 600,000 valid signatures for the initiative to qualify.

"The federal government has proven itself incapable of securing our borders, so it is time for Californians to step up and take matters into our own hands," Haynes said.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is not connected with the initiative effort and is not commenting on it, his office said.

Political consultant Dave Gilliard, who is organizing the signature-gathering effort, said the new immigration police force would report to the governor and hire 1,000 to 2,000 new officers at an estimated cost of $300 million. It also would allow the state to train volunteers to patrol the border.

The measure would ask California voters to declare a state of emergency on immigration and renew that emergency status in 10 years through another ballot measure.

Assembly Speaker Fabian Nuñez, a Democrat from Los Angeles, said if a new police force required "spending more state dollars, I think we have to take a second look at that because we do have to be fiscally prudent."

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1 posted on 05/05/2005 2:24:30 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: StoneColdGOP; TheSpottedOwl; kellynla; DumpsterDiver; SierraWasp; B4Ranch; american spirit; ...

Ping - from yesterday's thread (and a few more).


2 posted on 05/05/2005 2:26:52 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

I'm not to sure I trust this new crew.

3 posted on 05/05/2005 2:29:28 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

ROFL! Just doing the jobs Americans won't do?


4 posted on 05/05/2005 2:40:20 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl; All
For "Thunder on the Border," click this picture:


5 posted on 05/05/2005 3:02:42 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe

I don't think I've told you this year what an awesome job you do! Thanks!


6 posted on 05/05/2005 3:05:10 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
I'd tell Fabian Nunez to repeal the tax breaks and special benefits that now go to illegal aliens and spend them on the new Border Police. What a novel idea! Of course, to every one but a Democrat.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
7 posted on 05/05/2005 3:06:17 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: calcowgirl

Thanks for the kind words- I often wonder who reads my stuff.


8 posted on 05/05/2005 3:15:02 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: All
Here's a more informative article:
Measure aims for a separate border patrol for California
By Ed Mendel
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
May 5, 2005

SACRAMENTO – A new state police agency to patrol the border and crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants would be created by an initiative filed yesterday, adding to the debate over the emotional issue.

The proposal from a conservative group comes after Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger praised the controversial Minuteman Project and as Congress considers new restrictions sparked by terrorism concerns.

The "California Border Police Act" is being pushed by Assemblyman Ray Haynes, R-Murrieta, and Rescue California, a group advocating tougher border enforcement. But neither could estimate the cost of creating a police force and special prison facilities.

But the initiative's supporters contend that it would save California money in the long run by reducing the cost of providing education, health, prisons and other services for illegal immigrants.

Schwarzenegger, who took office in a 2003 recall election that Rescue California helped put on the ballot, has drawn national attention to illegal immigration with remarks criticized by Latino leaders.

The Republican governor last week praised the Minuteman border volunteers in Arizona, comparing them to Neighborhood Watch groups. Critics pointed out that President Bush has called them vigilantes.

Earlier, Schwarzenegger created a stir when he said the border should be "closed," then corrected himself by saying he meant "secured."

The initiative, written by Haynes, was not intended to qualify for a special election Schwarzenegger has threatened to call for November, but would be targeted for the ballot next year.

Haynes said he has been working on the measure for three weeks to a month, before the governor made his remarks.

"The initiative is comprehensive, statewide and uniform," Haynes said. "It addresses the supply and the demand side, both the employers who support illegal immigrants and the illegals who come across the border."

With full enforcement of the law at the border and at job sites, Haynes said he tried to avoid the controversy surrounding the Proposition 187 cutoff of public services to illegal immigrants, which was approved by voters in 1994 but blocked by the courts.

"I looked for the common theme," Haynes said. "Both sides say, 'Let's enforce the law.' "

Art Torres, the state Democratic Party chairman, said enforcement of the border and illegal-immigration laws should be left to the well-trained professionals in the federal government.

"To hire a whole new law enforcement doesn't make sense from a cost perspective or a jurisdictional perspective," he said.

Torres said the right approach is strengthening the Border Patrol as proposed by U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.

He said three other things are needed to control illegal immigration: enforcing the law against employing illegal immigrants, persuading Mexico to control its border with the United States in the same way it enforces its border with Guatemala, and moving foreign-owned plans in Mexico from the border to the interior.

Though illegal immigration is a hot political issue, the prospects for qualifying this initiative are unclear. An initiative bolstering California's laws prohibiting illegal immigrants from receiving driver licenses while denying them other public benefits never gained the signatures to qualify for the ballot.

A spokesman for Schwarzenegger said the governor has no position on the initiative. Assembly Speaker Fabian Núñez, D-Los Angeles, said he was reluctant to comment on the measure, which he has not read.

"But if it requires spending state dollars, I am going to take a second look at that because we do have to be fiscally responsible," he said.

Spokesmen at the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement office in Laguna Niguel and the Border Patrol office in San Diego declined to comment on the proposed initiative late yesterday.

Haynes said he first got the idea for the initiative from a resident who said the federal government has failed to control the border. "Why don't we do it ourselves?" the resident asked.

In addition, Haynes said, he was influenced by the proposals of sheriffs in several Southern California counties, including Orange County Sheriff Mike Carona.

The sheriffs want to use a provision in a 1996 federal immigration law that allows local officers to be trained to enforce immigration law under agreements negotiated with Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

The goal of Carona and the other sheriffs is to use the local officers not to halt illegal immigration, but to help remove criminals from the streets and ease jail overcrowding.

Several dozen local officers have been trained under the little-used federal law in Florida and Alabama, according to news reports, and state and county police agencies nationwide are talking about joining the federal program.

Haynes predicted that a California Border Patrol, if approved by voters, is not likely to be overturned by the courts like Proposition 187.

"The 1996 law allows state and local government to enforce federal immigration law, and all we are doing is enforcing federal immigration law," Haynes said.

Dave Gilliard, a political consultant for Rescue California, said the number of officers in a new California Border Patrol would be determined by the state Office of Emergency Services.

Gilliard estimated that the new agency might have 1,000 to 2,000 officers – far fewer than the California Highway Patrol. He said the CHP has about 7,000 officers and a budget of $1.4 billion.

The proposed initiative says illegal immigrants cost California taxpayers $9 billion a year, causing overcrowded schools and emergency rooms.

Gilliard said the estimated costs come from the Federation for Immigration Reform and the Center for Immigration Studies.

The state Department of Finance has estimated that the state will spend more than $734 million this year to imprison more than 18,000 illegal immigrants convicted of crime.

The department estimated two years ago that providing prenatal services for illegal immigrants with 95,000 births cost the state $320 million, said spokesman H.D. Palmer.

He said the cost of educating the children of illegal immigrants, who would have been barred from public schools by Proposition 187, has not been calculated by the department in recent years.

The drive to put Haynes' initiative on the ballot will be joined by the California Republican Assembly, the group that that tried to put the driver-license initiative on the ballot.

Mike Spence, president of the organization, said the group has an e-mail list of 50,000 people, a donors list and a large mailing list.


9 posted on 05/05/2005 3:16:13 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: goldstategop

I agree. See more complete article above.


10 posted on 05/05/2005 3:17:10 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
Art Torres, the state Democratic Party chairman, said enforcement of the border and illegal-immigration laws should be left to the well-trained professionals in the federal government.

What Art Torres said in 1995:

As Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party declared at the January 1995 Latino Summit Response to Prop 187 at UC- Riverside ''Remember Prop 187 is the last gasp of White America in California!''

11 posted on 05/05/2005 3:39:47 AM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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To: backhoe
I often wonder who reads my stuff.

You can add me to the list of people who read your stuff.

12 posted on 05/05/2005 3:40:00 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: calcowgirl
Assembly Speaker Fabian Nuñez, a Democrat from Los Angeles, said if a new police force required "spending more state dollars, I think we have to take a second look at that because we do have to be fiscally prudent."

Oh, my sides! Hahaha!! If we got serious, CA could finally get out of debt. Thanks for the ping :)

13 posted on 05/05/2005 3:40:04 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Free Mexico!)
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To: backhoe

I read your stuff all the time. Whatever happened to MiaT, btw? I haven't seen her around in ages.


14 posted on 05/05/2005 3:41:29 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Free Mexico!)
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To: calcowgirl

"To hire a whole new law enforcement doesn't make sense from a cost perspective or a jurisdictional perspective,"

No problem here. Simply fund the agency based upon all of the money taken from drug activities performed by illegals and other criminal activities. Just the savings from the welfare system would more than amply fund the venture.

This would probably be one of the only government agencies to actually pay for itself.


15 posted on 05/05/2005 3:57:38 AM PDT by DH
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To: DumpsterDiver; TheSpottedOwl; Mia T

Thanks to you both... regarding MiaT, I, too, had wondered where she was recently.


16 posted on 05/05/2005 4:00:56 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

It will be a hoot to see what Gil Cedillo has to say.


17 posted on 05/05/2005 4:37:39 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace
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To: backhoe

I look around to see who's working for roofers and lawn maintenance/house cleaning outfits here in eastern MA, and most not only seem to be Hispanic, I'd lay odds they all have English dictionaries stuffed in their back pockets.


18 posted on 05/05/2005 4:47:12 AM PDT by hershey
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To: A CA Guy

I am not sure I would trust them either.


19 posted on 05/05/2005 5:04:41 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: DH

That's an idea.

Or since immigration is a federal law we could start coming down on state and local officials, especially local officials, that refuse to enforce federal laws.


20 posted on 05/05/2005 5:09:12 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: calcowgirl

If this gets on the ballot the next year in California is going to be a very interesting one. The open border apologists will be having heart attacks.


21 posted on 05/05/2005 5:58:40 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: calcowgirl
The California Border Police Act was submitted to Atty. Gen. Bill Lockyer for legal review Wednesday ....this means it will go nowhere!

Lockyer loves the illegals almost as much as BUSH!

22 posted on 05/05/2005 6:07:22 AM PDT by SweetCaroline (Politicians and Diapers need changing often and for the same reason!)
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To: calcowgirl


California Border Police
"Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges!"
23 posted on 05/05/2005 6:33:00 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: calcowgirl
Assembly Speaker Fabian Nuñez, a Democrat from Los Angeles, said if a new police force required "spending more state dollars, I think we have to take a second look at that because we do have to be fiscally prudent."

There's a joke for Leno tonight...

24 posted on 05/05/2005 6:49:18 AM PDT by tubebender (We child proofed our house but they still get in...)
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To: calcowgirl
Assembly Speaker Fabian Nuñez

Who cares what he thinks. He's not an American, and I can make a decent case he's not a citizen. The Democrats put him where he is to "make a statement" and "reach out" as they always do.

He has no right to make laws for Americans.

25 posted on 05/05/2005 7:11:15 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: SweetCaroline
....this means it will go nowhere!
Lockyer loves the illegals almost as much as BUSH!

The AG reviews all initiatives and is responsible for writing the Title and Summary.
I believe the worst he can do is write an unfavorable summary.
He does not have the authority to bury it.

http://www.ag.ca.gov/initiatives/activeindex.htm

26 posted on 05/05/2005 7:21:04 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: kellynla

LOL. I love that quote!

Did you read the article at #7? What's your take on Carona? Didn't some of the corruption in the Sheriff's dept fall his way.


27 posted on 05/05/2005 7:23:38 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: Regulator

>>He's not an American

Well, I disagree. Unfortunately, he is an American.
If you'd called him an anti-American American, a communist, or socialist, I wouldn't disagree.


28 posted on 05/05/2005 7:26:10 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
Rick Roberts (on the radio) is telling his listeners to call in to him if they see or know of employers hiring illegals. he is going to start calling those employers.

Really, all you have to do is go to all the grocery store parking lots and round them up!

29 posted on 05/05/2005 7:33:19 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (Don't let them Bork Bolton!)
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To: calcowgirl; Carry_Okie
Well, I disagree. Unfortunately, he is an American

As long as you accept your enemies as your countrymen, these things will continue.

There has never been an adjudication of the status of children of illegal aliens. It is not clear to me that Nunez' parents were not illegals. The official accounts are rather vague. "Came to San Diego from Tijuana", blah blah. Those are euphemisms for illegals that the press routinely uses since they think the truth is too harsh to print.

I would challenge you to back up your assertion that he is an American. Just being born here doesn't cut it. The parents have to be legal as well, a position I take since the opposite position has never been validated either by a vote of Congress, a vote of the people, or the outcome of a Federal case.

In the meantime, do you think a guy with such questions about his nationality deserves to be the Speaker of the Assembly of the State of California? The questions we are talking about are usually reserved for a courtroom where some guy is fighting just to stay in the country. Not whether he should be making laws that are enforced by men with guns against people who are Americans.

30 posted on 05/05/2005 7:41:56 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: calcowgirl

Thanks for the GOOD NEWS, I didn't know that!


31 posted on 05/05/2005 7:46:25 AM PDT by SweetCaroline (Politicians and Diapers need changing often and for the same reason!)
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To: calcowgirl
Unfortunately, he is an American

You're right, even though he's full of it and a loudmouth if he was born here the law classifies him as an American, for now. We've got to get the misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment fixed, maybe California or some other state will lead the way on that as well, we can only hope...

32 posted on 05/05/2005 7:58:45 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: calcowgirl

Great news!!!

BUMP


33 posted on 05/05/2005 8:07:41 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: calcowgirl

No comment?

Nice one, Gub, nice one.

Polls and hype.. and this is what passes for leadership these days.


34 posted on 05/05/2005 8:35:19 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: calcowgirl

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!


35 posted on 05/05/2005 8:44:38 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Regulator

I share most all of your beliefs, as stated. And no, I don't think he should be in the Assembly, let alone leading it.

Here's another one that I think should be disqualified from office. Search halfway down the page for "Jacqueline Goldberg" aka Jackie (and don't miss brother Arthur mentioned right below):

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/913438/posts
Thirteenth Report of the Senate Fact-Finding Subcommittee on Un-American Activities--California


36 posted on 05/05/2005 8:48:56 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: NormsRevenge

Who benefits from illegal immigration (other than the obvious Dem voting block)?

Banking (if they have an ID), Housing (government subsidies), Construction (low income housing),
HealthCare (medicare/medicaid)... etc.
You think Arnold would turn against this group? I think not.


37 posted on 05/05/2005 8:52:48 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
Wow. Thanks for that.

Why am I not surprised.

The woman should be tried for treason, stripped of her citizenship, and sent to the Maoist hellhole she's so in love with.

She should hold no position of trust within our country.

38 posted on 05/05/2005 10:21:01 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: calcowgirl
Okay, now about Carona...
well if the Sheriff wanted to get tough with illegals and start arresting them, all he would have to do is walk outside of his office in downtown Santa Ana, now wouldn't he...and Ahnold could call out the California National Guard and station them on the Mexican border if he wanted to.

So until I see some action out of Carona and/or Ahnold, I'm not taking anything these clowns say too seriously...

Now back to your regularly scheduled programing... :-]

Semper Fi,
Kelly
39 posted on 05/05/2005 11:31:14 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: calcowgirl
My what a surprise. Governor Backoff isn't commenting...

Instead of the conservative "Governator" we thought we might get in the recall, we instead wind up with the "Equivocator".

So far all he's really done is to accomplish nothing while trying to please everyone.

40 posted on 05/05/2005 11:31:16 AM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Regulator

Precisely...


41 posted on 05/05/2005 11:33:17 AM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Regulator
There has never been an adjudication of the status of children of illegal aliens.

I assume you flagged me because of the Slaughterhouse Cases, which did interpret the 14th Amendment re children born of foreign subjects in America. Further, in Bridges v. Wixon a Roosevelt Court ruled that children of legal immigrants were American citizens (ignoring both the Congressional Record describing the intent of the 14th Amendment and the ruling by Chief Justice Miller on the Slaughterhouse Cases).

The parents have to be legal as well, a position I take since the opposite position has never been validated either by a vote of Congress, a vote of the people, or the outcome of a Federal case.

If the Congress passed the 14th Amendment, having heard its intended meaning from Senator Jacob Howard (author of the citizenship clause), I would call that validated to the contrary; i.e., that children of aliens are not American citizens.

42 posted on 05/05/2005 12:30:08 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie; calcowgirl
that children of aliens are not American citizens

I actually agree with that, but I can't go that far with people who already believe that the children of illegals are citizens. As you and I both know, Howard made that "clear" on the Senate floor. It was so clear, the courts did just the opposite in Wong Kim Ark and Bridges.

I don't know how we eliminate the misinterpretation of the 14th short of Congressional action. Even a "conservative" SCOTUS might be timid about clarifying it. But either we do that or live with foreigners ruling us, foreigners such as Sr. Nunez, who are not just foreign, but foreign enemies.

43 posted on 05/05/2005 1:57:22 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Regulator
I don't know how we eliminate the misinterpretation of the 14th short of Congressional action. Even a "conservative" SCOTUS might be timid about clarifying it. But either we do that or live with foreigners ruling us, foreigners such as Sr. Nunez, who are not just foreign, but foreign enemies.

Agreed on all counts.

44 posted on 05/05/2005 2:56:51 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: calcowgirl
Assembly Speaker Fabian Nuñez, a Democrat from Los Angeles, said if a new police force required "spending more state dollars, I think we have to take a second look at that because we do have to be fiscally prudent."

What a fool.

Hey Fabian, it's spending millions to save HUNDREDS of millions, at least. The less illegal aliens we have here, the less $$$ we have to spend on their education, health, welfare, incarceration, etc...

45 posted on 05/05/2005 3:28:12 PM PDT by StoneColdGOP ("The Republican Party is the France of politics" - Laz)
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To: StoneColdGOP
LA Times: Political consultant Dave Gilliard, who is organizing the signature-gathering effort, said the new immigration police force would report to the governor and hire 1,000 to 2,000 new officers at an estimated cost of $300 million.

SD Tribune: The proposed initiative says illegal immigrants cost California taxpayers $9 billion a year, causing overcrowded schools and emergency rooms.

So, spend $300 million and get $9 Billion back. Sounds good to me!

46 posted on 05/05/2005 3:38:02 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

And there you have it. Great idea.

I can't wait for the battle over this one!


47 posted on 05/05/2005 3:39:33 PM PDT by StoneColdGOP ("The Republican Party is the France of politics" - Laz)
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To: StoneColdGOP

>>I can't wait for the battle over this one!

I expect it will be more fierce than Prop 187. The unions and communists will claim racism. The Country Club Rs won't fund the initiative or lift a finger to help expose the leftists (illegal immigration is their lifeblood).

If this succeeds, it will have to rely wholly on grassroots, IMO.


48 posted on 05/05/2005 3:46:12 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

Indeed, grassroots. But I can only see this passing as overwhelmingly as 187. It is SO common sense, and a stick into Dubya's eye for not doing his job.


49 posted on 05/05/2005 3:57:03 PM PDT by StoneColdGOP ("The Republican Party is the France of politics" - Laz)
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To: calcowgirl; Carry_Okie; forester; sasquatch; B4Ranch; SierraWasp; hedgetrimmer; knews_hound; ...

Why am I seeing my taxes go up?


50 posted on 05/05/2005 4:11:50 PM PDT by farmfriend (Send in the Posse)
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