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Thomas Sowell: Black rednecks and white liberals
TownHall ^ | May 5, 2005 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 05/05/2005 4:47:23 AM PDT by Tolik

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To: hosepipe; cyborg
Y'all would love The Raj at Table by David Burton. It's a culinary history of the British in India. Fascinating book!
81 posted on 05/05/2005 2:13:56 PM PDT by Xenalyte (It's a Zen thing, you know, like how many babies fit in a tire.)
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To: Xenalyte

Sounds interesting..


82 posted on 05/05/2005 2:18:31 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: cyborg

yeah

I'm used to the old JWR photo.


83 posted on 05/05/2005 2:18:32 PM PDT by wardaddy ( Lucchese Belt Raised)
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To: cyborg

I know too well about callaloo. It's about the most aesthetically unpleasing food you will ever see.

I'm going there later this month. I'll have to put your theories to the test.

BTW, what kind of doubles do you want when I come back? ;)


84 posted on 05/05/2005 4:27:24 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Future Minnesota Refugee)
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To: ZULU

hmmm, I have more specifics but guessing you don't really want to know. I'll check out the book, thanks.


85 posted on 05/05/2005 5:17:33 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: antisocial
I think Mr. Sowell oversimplifies the issue - it's NOT North versus South - it's urban versus metropolitian. Basically only the wealthy (elite gentry) were 'educated' per se - formally that is, with the vast bulk of the population winging it.

He's had some excellent books and articles, but I think he missed the boat in this article - I hope the book will be better.

A wholly disproportionate number of future black leaders and pioneers in many fields came out of the relatively few and small enclaves of Northern culture deliberately planted in the post-Civil War South. What they did worked and what the multiculturalists are doing today repeatedly fails.

I think here is where Mr. Sowell misses his mark, the point being that many do not want an 'elitist' education. Elitist being another case of poor/Southern/rednecks being told what to think by presumably enlightened yankees.

That's the reason many FLED England and the British Isles.

86 posted on 05/05/2005 5:23:44 PM PDT by 4CJ (Good-bye Henry LeeII. Rest well my FRiend. || Quoting Lincoln OR JimRob is a bannable offense.)
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To: untenured

Have you read Albion's Seed by David Hackett Fischer? Fascinating read about migrations from the Br. Isles to four areas in the new world: Mass. Bay, Penn., Appalachia and I believe Tidewater Va.

Takes some of his conclusions to far but by and all a worthwhile read.


87 posted on 05/05/2005 6:38:32 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: To Hell With Poverty

I'm going to pick a bone here: Hillbilly music was created in the 20's as a purely commercial vehicle. In fact, performers who showed up in suits were told to go home and put on overalls!

Bluegrass is closer to the Scottish and Scots Irish tunes that were carried over from the old country.

Sorry, it's a pet subject of mine. :)


88 posted on 05/05/2005 6:42:20 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: x

Peter Wood argues in "Black Majority" that the slaves in South Carolina were better able to maintain their culture because they had less interaction with whites. Of course, that culture in and of itself was a blend of the various african and carribean locales of the slaves.

In the highlands of Appalachia, there was more interaction between whites and blacks, in part because there were far fewer slaves and in part because there were more poor whites. The poor economy meant that slaves and their owners often lived in tight quarters and poor whites and free blacks often lived side by side.

Long winded post to say you are right!


89 posted on 05/05/2005 6:54:28 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: TypeZoNegative

LOL!!! but it's so good for you. It's brain food ;-)


90 posted on 05/05/2005 8:50:41 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: mhking; rdb3

ping


91 posted on 05/05/2005 9:02:17 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (First you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women (HJ Simpson))
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To: Mercat

Trust me. You'll enjoy it. I did and I'm an early American History Buff.


92 posted on 05/06/2005 6:23:27 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: pa mom

That's fine, I knew I had to be a little inaccurate. To my city-slicker ears Bluegrass sounds a little bit "hillbilly," so thanks for the clarification! :)


93 posted on 05/06/2005 8:40:05 AM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (From the rainbow center of the bluest part of a good Red State)
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To: sandydipper
IMO your verbage has more to do with education that your heritage.

Those reasons aren't mutually exclusive, especially if you mean cultural heritage, which Sowell does.

94 posted on 05/09/2005 3:24:16 AM PDT by MitchellC
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To: Xenalyte
As much as I love the man, Dr. Sowell is dead wrong here. There IS no such animal as "black English."

Sowell seems to agree with you, which is why he said "considered black English."

95 posted on 05/09/2005 3:29:38 AM PDT by MitchellC
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To: Tolik

Who's to blame for black behavior? Why those nasty white southerners, of course. Utter nonsense, bigoted scapegoating of people on the officially approved target list.


96 posted on 05/09/2005 3:28:40 PM PDT by jordan8
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To: jordan8

Hm? Where in the world did you get that?


97 posted on 05/09/2005 11:41:15 PM PDT by MitchellC
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To: Xenalyte
... the Catskills dialect of today is the closest current dialect to Elizabethan English.

Catskills? Or Appalachia?

98 posted on 05/10/2005 12:09:19 AM PDT by dread78645 (Sarcasm tags are for wusses.)
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To: antisocial

placemark


99 posted on 05/10/2005 12:18:26 AM PDT by Maigrey (Thank You Malachi Whitlock for your gift of Life and Love)
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To: Tolik; All

There was a movie about the roots of Appalachian gospel and folk music from England/Scotland/Wales

Songcatcher
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0210299/


100 posted on 05/26/2005 6:04:57 PM PDT by Lorianne
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