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Pilot who wrecked Black Hawk admits he was showing off
Associated Press ^ | May. 05, 2005 | JAYMES SONG

Posted on 05/06/2005 8:34:53 AM PDT by Dubya

WHEELER ARMY AIR FIELD, Hawaii - A seasoned Army pilot pleaded guilty Thursday to negligent homicide and other charges, admitting that he was showing off when his Black Hawk helicopter crashed in Afghanistan last year.

The aircraft's crew chief was killed in the Aug. 12 crash, and all 14 others aboard were injured, including the pilot.

At the start of his court-martial, Chief Warrant Officer 3 Darrin R. Rogers pleaded guilty to negligent homicide, reckless endangerment, failure to carry out a lawful order and destruction of government property. Military attorney Capt. Darwin Strickland entered the pleas on Rogers' behalf.

Before accepting the plea, the judge, Col. Debra Boudreau, asked Rogers whether he was showing off when the crash occurred.

"Yes, ma'am, basically I was trying to impress the guys in the back," Rogers said.

Rogers, 37, was at the controls of the UH-60 tactical transport helicopter and was flying over Chapman Air Field in standby, waiting to demonstrate for a visiting dignitary - Marine Gen. James L. Jones, supreme allied commander for Europe and commander of the U.S. European Command - how to deliver troops quickly to the battlefield. The $6 million Black Hawk plunged to the ground outside Camp Salerno near Khowst and was destroyed.

An earlier Army investigative report described the incident: Marines on board the helicopter twice told the pilot, "Fly hard." The first time he refused, but the second time the response from the cockpit came back: "You asked for it." The pilot then radioed, "Taking room to maneuver."

Rogers testified that he was waiting to begin the demonstration when he had the Black Hawk engage in a move where it ascended rapidly and then descended causing a feeling of weightlessness, or zero gravity.

A wheel chock rose off the floor and drifted into the cockpit, jamming the controls and preventing Rogers from being able to pull out of the dive, he said.

Investigators said Rogers conducted "maneuvers unnecessary for the mission."

Rogers could be discharged from the Army and could face more than five years in prison, although outside legal experts say prison time would be unusual for a case of negligent homicide.

Rogers, a pilot with 11 years experience and about 2,000 flight hours, declined to comment when reached by telephone Wednesday at his home in Mililani, a quiet residential community in central Oahu outside Schofield Barracks, where he is stationed with the 25th Infantry Division (Light). Rogers has been in the Army since 1985.

Galvan's widow, Sonya Galvan of Lubbock, Texas, briefly took the stand and began weeping after looking momentarily in Rogers' direction. She described problems her two children had suffered since their father's death.

The judge ordered a recess after she began to cry uncontrollably.

Before that, Galvan's parents, Blas and Nelda Galvan of Moore, Okla., sobbed as they testified in the sentencing phase of the trial. They said their son wanted to become a pilot. His mother said she was "angry that my son lost his life for no good reason, especially since he trusted Mr. Rogers with his life."

Before the trial, Sonya Galvan told The Associated Press that she hopes the court-martial makes other pilots aware of the consequences of their actions and she believes Rogers should be kicked out of the Army and denied his retirement pay.

"If just for a minute, if Rogers hadn't acted like a pilot and acted more like these were his children on board, this wouldn't have happened," she said. "He has no idea how much my kids are struggling, how this has affected our lives."

She said her two children stayed at home because she thought the trip would be too disturbing for them.

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Associated Press reporter Ted Bridis in Washington contributed to this report.


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To: Servant of the 9

I see Pukin Dog, a squared-away guy who knows his stuff, put you in your place about this. Ain't no 'stunts' in the Blue Angels. 8~)


41 posted on 05/06/2005 10:05:17 AM PDT by real saxophonist (Jane Fonda might as well make her gravestone a urinal. Semper Fi)
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To: Pukin Dog
...but he should have asked his engines for their permission too.

I like the way you put that. Always enjoy your posts regarding military aviation.

42 posted on 05/06/2005 10:07:41 AM PDT by real saxophonist (Jane Fonda might as well make her gravestone a urinal. Semper Fi)
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To: Pukin Dog

"When you are at the controls, and in charge of other people's lives, you don't break the rules to 'show off'."

In Army Aviation culture the command pilot has complete control of the aircraft. If the junior pilot objects to a stunt - almost always nothing happens - if a crew chief objects then for sure nothing will happen.

Considering that everyone's life is on the line then supreme power leads to supreme stupidity.

B-T-W in Vietnam the Aussies flew with a crew of 4 in a UH-1 but all were qualified pilots and they took turns flying rotating days. It appeared that they didn't screw around since it was their culture to work as a team rather than supreme commander and underlings.


43 posted on 05/06/2005 10:10:09 AM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe (No French Person Was Injured In The Writing Of This Post)
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To: real saxophonist
I wasn't trying to put anyone in their place, but just wanted to correct the record. So9 understands that.
44 posted on 05/06/2005 10:14:20 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

He'd been at Nellis (where I was stationed) shortly before the crash. Told his ground troops to be at such and such location at a specific time because he was going to fly the notch in the ridge. There's video tape from that occasion. He comes screaming up the hillside, maybe a max of fifty feet off the deck and blows through this notch in the ridgeline. We saw footage from the guys he flew over - you could count the rivets in the panels, before they got blown down by jet wash - the other video is from a high point on the notch, looking down on the top of the aircraft. He was good - but he was arrogant - and it cost him his life, and the life of his crew.


45 posted on 05/06/2005 10:18:33 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob (The Crew Chief's Toolbox: A roll around cabinet full of specialists.)
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To: Servant of the 9
If you are really hot you get to join the Thunderbirds

Used to do heavy maintenance for the Thunderbirds. 57th CRS, Jet Engine Intermediate Maintenance shop - it wasn't a matter of being "hot," it was a matter of being good. When you're flying wing over wing, and changing paint at three hundred knots, there's no room for someone who doesn't follow directions.

46 posted on 05/06/2005 10:21:49 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob (The Crew Chief's Toolbox: A roll around cabinet full of specialists.)
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To: Pukin Dog; Servant of the 9

Okay, I should have worded that differently. Didn't mean it in any negative way. Sorry to both.


47 posted on 05/06/2005 10:22:53 AM PDT by real saxophonist (Jane Fonda might as well make her gravestone a urinal. Semper Fi)
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To: Dubya

Poor guy... growing up in a military family, I saw guys do this sort of stuff all the time, usually at the egging on of other guys around them... It's foolish, but it is part of the reality of the military, or any group of young men for that matter.


48 posted on 05/06/2005 10:25:12 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Tennessee_Bob

I don't disagree that the pilot showed poor judgment, but I wonder about the "show" in which he was getting ready to perform.

Air shows and demonstrations are hardly a necessity. The services have them to entertain big brass, impress civilian leaders, and to build enthusiam that benefits recruiters. They are frequently the sites of major disasters and crashes. I gave up attending them after that big one in Germany back in the 80s where the stunt planes crashed and pieces of them were hurled into the crowd.

It seems a stupid thing to have pilots "perform" in a war zone to impress the Generals. Although I find the Blue Angels and the Thunderbirds as amazing as anyone else, I can't see the sense in these guys risking their lives to put on a show.

GW


49 posted on 05/06/2005 10:25:40 AM PDT by gregwest
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To: Tennessee_Bob
I remember that incident very well. There was also a long write up about that dude in Army Times or some other mil-magazine. He had a long record for unsafe conduct, and it was a failure of leadership that he was allowed to keep flying. He was senior, so people were afraid to confront him strongly enough for his behavior to change.

He was one of those guys who though he should have been put in an F-15, and spent his whole career trying to prove it.

50 posted on 05/06/2005 10:27:26 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: gregwest
It seems a stupid thing to have pilots "perform" in a war zone to impress the Generals. Although I find the Blue Angels and the Thunderbirds as amazing as anyone else, I can't see the sense in these guys risking their lives to put on a show.

A stupid thing?

Okay, I'm going to try to be patient with you.

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to motivate a college graduate with their whole life ahead of them to consider a career in the military? If we relied on the academies alone, we would never have enough people talented enough to fly the various military aircraft in our inventory.

I was never a Blue Angel but I did fly for the F-14 Demo team, and I cant tell you how many kids came up to me after a show and told me that they wanted to do what I was doing, just because of the 'cool-factor'. After that, you have to give them the straight skinny on what the life is really like, how you are gone all the time, how it kills marriages, how you can really just DIE in an instant from a stupid mistake, how you wont really make enough money for a long, long time, and finally, how you might not even be good enough to get into a Tomcat(or today a Hornet) anyway, and be saddled with a slower, much less cool aircraft until your time is up.

That knocks off 80% of those who wanted to do it, because its 'cool'. Out of the remaining 20%, maybe one in 200 will have the skill, grades, fitness and discipline to get through.

Without those 'stupid' shows, your chances of finding that one dude would be nil.

51 posted on 05/06/2005 10:36:13 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Dubya
What sort of girlie man hasn't done reckless things in his life? If they send this guy to prison, they might as well send all real men to prison because there but for the grace of God go all of us . . .

He's not a bad guy, imo. He made a mistake and had some very bad luck. Fine him, bust him down a rank, reprimand him, then let him get back to flying.

52 posted on 05/06/2005 10:49:11 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Pukin Dog

There is a certain margin of safety with these machines. It would be defensible to approach or exceed it in combat and training for combat. That kind of training can be done on the ranges where the public is safe. Putting civilian spectator's lives in jeopardy for the sake of recruiting is just foolish.

The whole "cool" issue is just too immature to even discuss. It's adolescent! I respect the skill, training, and devotion of our pilots. It's a waste of that skill, training, and devotion (not to mention a multi-million dollar aircraft) to lose them for the sake of an air show.

GW


53 posted on 05/06/2005 11:11:51 AM PDT by gregwest
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To: Pukin Dog; arasina
And again, Pukin finds he cannot control his temper in the face of nonsense. What to do?
55 posted on 05/06/2005 11:29:21 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Dubya

also, never dare a TF 160th pilot that a Blackhawk can't fly an up and over loop...


56 posted on 05/06/2005 1:17:02 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (The MRS wanted to go to an expensive place to eat so I took her to the gas station.)
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To: Pukin Dog
I don't know I think many people could see past the 'cool' allure of the demonstration teams.

As someone with long exposure to pilot personalities in mil and civilian. It seems many fall into a 'if I know it then it is absolutely that and no other' attitude
57 posted on 05/06/2005 1:18:36 PM PDT by mordo
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To: mordo
I don't know I think many people could see past the 'cool' allure of the demonstration teams.

You are right, but those people tend to find something more sane to do for a living before signing up for 8 years on a bet that you can be good enough not to end up flying a bus. It might be fun to fly a fighter, but learning how to fly a fighter is more boring than watching paint dry. Sometimes, ego is all you've got to keep you studying while your friends are at the beach.

58 posted on 05/06/2005 1:32:45 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Servant of the 9
If you are really hot you get to join the Thunderbirds or the Blue Angels or some other demonstration unit and become a professional showoff.

Hardly the same thing. Those demonstration team pilots are highly disciplined. Their maneuvers are not spur of the moment things, they are planned well in advance, gone over on the ground, and practices and practiced and practiced.

It's the difference between a guy on a road race course and some dummy who decides to put the pedal to the metal to "see what she can do", on some winding stretch of highway.

59 posted on 05/06/2005 1:35:32 PM PDT by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: a6intruder
There are old pilots and there are bold pilots. But there are no old, bold pilots."Well known Naval Aviation saying.

And the Air Force as well. Goes back to the days of fabric covered bi-planes, in both the old Army Air Corps, and the Navy/Marines.

60 posted on 05/06/2005 1:37:29 PM PDT by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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