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Avian Flu Surveillance Project
Various ^ | May 9, 2005 | Vanity

Posted on 05/09/2005 10:18:08 AM PDT by Dog Gone

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To: clarissaexplainsitall

Nahhh...just be embarrassed(lol just kidding)


2,251 posted on 01/07/2006 4:44:08 PM PST by mdmathis6 (Proof against evolution:"Man is the only creature that blushes, or needs to" M.Twain)
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To: TheLion
Maybe this will change your mind...


10 Member Familial Cluster in Turkey Raises Pandemic Concerns

Recombinomics Commentary
January 6, 2006

As H5N1 bird and human outbreaks spread across Turkey, the initial clusters provide compelling evidence that H5N1 spread to humans has become more efficient. Although disease onset dates have not been released for most patients, media reports provide somewhat of a chronology of admission dates for the Ozkan family. The admission dates, names, and ages of family members are:

January 4

Hatice (15)
Aysegul (9)
Yusuf (3)

January 5

Rumeysa (1)
Mehmet (13)
Ahmet (11)
Mustafa (6)

January 6

Refica (33)
Hakan (15)
Rukiye (?)

The disease onset dates for the first three family members admitted would be most useful, because it is likely that there was a delay between disease onset and admission. The other seven family members probably developed symptoms closer to their admission date, because the first three family members had already been hospitalized and the news of the other cases from the same village was likely known.

The 10 family members, if confirmed to be H5N1 positive, would double the previous number of confirmed H5N1 patients from the same family, which was a family of five from Haiphong in March of 2005.

More details on the clinical picture, including disease onset dates, would be useful, but this large cluster, coupled with the clustered nature of the other patients admitted to the same hospital in Van, indicates H5N1 transmission to humans has become more efficient.


http://www.recombinomics.com/News/01060604/H5N1_Turkey_Cluster_Ozkan.html

or this:

Large and frequent familial clusters signal efficient H5N1 transmission, either from a common source or human-to-human transmission. Information on disease onset dates would help distinguish the two possibilities, but the clusters indicate transmission to humans is efficient, regardless of source.

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/01060602/H5N1_Turkey_Clusters.html

or several stories from China and Indonesia. Family Clusters, geographic cluster(Indonesia zoo), and work place clusters all point to a H2H pathway. While we have been lucky to some aspects most of these cluster pathway do not seem very efficient in spreading that appears to have changed in Turkey. Yet in a previous post I stated that all news from closed societies like China and Vietnam should be suspect. They will not tell you the whole truth due to economic and geopolitical reasons. thus with this virus you must be able to put 2 and 2 together to get 5 due to the fact that key pieces of informant ion is missing. Large family clusters, very quick bursts of infection point to H2H transmission. What I would like to ask is what it will take for the Who to acknowledge the H2H transmission. Looking at their statements nothing short of a full blown epidemic will convince them that H2H transmission is occurring and by then it is too late to stop the pandemic.
2,252 posted on 01/07/2006 6:21:49 PM PST by unseen
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To: unseen
"transmission to humans has become more efficient"

I know the potential problem, all too well. Apparently H5N1 has been changing....apparently easier to infect humans.

This is not proof of human to human transmission....of which I wish they would figure out.

2,253 posted on 01/07/2006 6:31:57 PM PST by TheLion
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To: TheLion
Agreed not 1005 prove. However, you can have H2H transmission and not have a major epidemic. the transmission could be inefficient, requiring close contact, it could be spread by bodily fluids. H2H transmission does not need to be airborne nor does it need to be quick or rapid or epidemic causing. One of the keys to showing H2H transmission is different onset dates. This shows a cause and effect. Different onset dates show that while the first case was a bird 2 human transmission from eating a dead chicken say the next case three days later or a week later has a good chance of being due to h2h transmission. Looking at the 3 dead children in Turkey. Not all children died the same day nor did they go to the hospital the same day nor did all the 10 family members get sick the same day. So playing with a dead chicken on one day can not account for the wide range of onset dates the only conclusion is that the virus had a constant source to the family and each person subcummed to the virus at different dates due to differences in the immune systems or the virus was passed in some way from H2H as one got sick the next was infected. With the number of infected people in the region growing in an exponential way I think it is clear that a H2H agent is thebest fit to the evidence.
2,254 posted on 01/07/2006 7:13:11 PM PST by unseen
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To: unseen
From personal experience, I know Bird-Brain Flu infects 50% of the human population as it is now. Can it infect wild hoot-owls and California Condors- you know, those big, colorful birds that have 6 foot wingspans that coast a few hundred feet up and make very loud noises when you get close to their favorite dumpster?

Coyotes have more class. They dine on rabbits. Not rats and mice. And they silently take what they need away with them. No flu possible with organically grown rabbit!

Just wondering if this virus is spread by birds that eat trash.

2,255 posted on 01/07/2006 7:59:08 PM PST by BobS
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To: BobS
as of now the major spreading is done by the migratory birds. Which in turn infect the local bird population. there has been reports of H5n1 infecting cats and other animals not just humans. If the bird flu hits CA i would imagine all birds would be at risk. however poultry and waterfowl seem to be the hardest hit birds as of now
2,256 posted on 01/07/2006 8:16:11 PM PST by unseen
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To: unseen

I think the small birds would get it before the big, aggressive ones. And then I also saw large flocks of seagulls 15 miles inland, over the coastal mountains. Those are not small birds either, and they are wild and aggressive. They leave 3-4" diameter spots of shit on your vehicle. Nasty, filthy birds. For some reason, one came at me while I was coming home from work one day. I just slapped it away while it was airborne. Do birds get rabies?


2,257 posted on 01/07/2006 9:28:20 PM PST by BobS
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To: unseen

> What I would like to ask is what it will take for
> the Who to acknowledge the H2H transmission.

First, they have to rule out this sort of thing:
"The two infected boys were brought from the nearby city
of Beypazari, reportedly after handling gloves used by
their father to collect dead wild birds to turn them
over to the authorities."
from:
Killer Strain Of Bird Flu 'At The Door' Of Europe
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1554429/posts

But if it isn't H2H, it's still way to easily transmissible.


2,258 posted on 01/08/2006 8:48:18 PM PST by Boundless
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To: Boundless
yeah I know so many kids that play with the father's work gloves after he was handling dead birds. sounds plausible to me. (sarcasm) In the meantime:

The three cases in Ankara were announced only hours after authorities in the capital set up bird flu centres at two hospitals.

Centennial University Hospital in Van, 1,000km east of Ankara, is already treating two cases of the H5N1 virus. About 40 people have been admitted at hospitals with bird flu-like symptoms.


Also Iran and Russia have closed their borders with Turkey.

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/f1f0bee2-8065-11da-8f9d-0000779e2340.html

and at the same time:

International bird flu experts have come to the eastern Turkish region of Van, to try to find out how quickly the deadly H5N1 strain is spreading.
The experts will advise the government how best to fight the disease.
Our correspondent says the three people who tested positive in Ankara come from a town about one hour's drive from the city.

It is not clear how they could have contracted the disease, although there were reports of ducks in the town having the virus.


The WHO has attempted to play down fears of the disease, as Turkish officials sought to defend themselves from accusations they were slow to act. Officials have now asked residents to dig pits and bury their own birds.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4593892.stm

or how about this:

Bird Flu Reports Multiply in Turkey, Faster Than Expected

http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/09/international/europe/09flu.html&OP=43601e06Q2F(jQ5Ea(IQ3B_HfQ3BQ3BQ3AQ2B(Q2BEEv(EQ51(E,(FLQ3AQ5EfLWQ3AFQ3BLW-(Q5EwfQ3BkQ5E(E,M-wNQ3DQ3Ad- But be that as it may I'll stick with a couple kids playing with their dad's work gloves it is so much more believable than say hmmmmm that the bird flu is spreading at an alarming rate within Turkey and that it is either a) way more efficient or b) spreading from H2H or possibly both a and b. But by saying this the WHO and the EU and the Turkey government would cause a panic, the Turkey stock Market will tank on Monday etc so let's just stick with the little tykes playing with the glove story it is so much better for the senses don't you think.
2,259 posted on 01/08/2006 10:23:05 PM PST by unseen
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To: unseen; All

Doctors test 21 for bird flu in Istanbul-report
09 Jan 2006 08:09:00 GMT
Source: Reuters
Background
Bird flu questions and answers

FACTBOX: Bird flu threatens to become global pandemic

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MORE

ISTANBUL, Jan 9 (Reuters) - Twenty-one people in the Istanbul area are in hospital amid fears they have bird flu, newspapers said on Monday, raising concern the deadly disease has spread to Turkey's commercial hub of 12 million people.

Health authorities expect to receive test results on the 21 people on Monday, the Milliyet daily said.

Istanbul province deputy health director Mehmet Bakar said initial tests on two dead chickens in the Istanbul district of Kucukcekmece indicated they were infected by the bird flu virus, the reports said. A third test was being carried out to determine the definitive diagnosis.

"21 people under suspicion (of having bird flu) have been kept in hospital under observation. Samples have been taken from these people and sent to the laboratory for examination," Bakar was quoted as saying in Star newspaper.

The first case of the virus jumping from birds to humans outside China and southeast Asia occurred last week in rural eastern Turkey, where three children from the same family died after contracting the H5N1 strain.


http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L09328779.htm




This seems like its really bad...everyone here ready?


2,260 posted on 01/09/2006 12:43:07 AM PST by xVIer
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To: xVIer

We probably will not see it until next flu season. Next fall early winter unless it comes by airplane quicker. No not ready at all.


2,261 posted on 01/09/2006 1:55:09 AM PST by unseen
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To: xVIer
IF (and that is a big if), it becomes what many on this thread have as a nightmare, then there is no way to be ready. You can have measures in place to help survive, but if the pandemic starts with a bang, it may happen to fast to really do much more than slog through it.

What worries me is that the Hajji is still going on. Millions of muslims in one area, that will be returning home soon. Almost a perfect place for a pandemic to start.
2,262 posted on 01/09/2006 6:47:59 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: unseen
More news from Turkey here and here.
2,263 posted on 01/09/2006 6:55:40 PM PST by relee
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To: Dog Gone; unseen; Oorang; EternalHope; redgolum; Judith Anne; EBH; xVIer; 2ndreconmarine

Bird flu might be less deadly than feared
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8555

"But it is possible that many mild or symptom-free
H5N1 infections have gone undetected, meaning the
real fatality rate is lower."

Unfortunately, the study involved couldn't even be
used to support such a conclusion. And if it's true,
it's not clear whether or not there might be a
genetic predisposition factor.


2,264 posted on 01/09/2006 8:06:59 PM PST by Boundless
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To: Boundless
Which is as many of us suspected. There have been numerous cases of H5N1 that didn't get reported because the people didn't get that sick. What concerns me is that most of the cases that have been confirmed are those where someone is very sick.
2,265 posted on 01/10/2006 5:04:47 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
There have been numerous cases of H5N1 that didn't get reported because the people didn't get that sick.

Or they were misdiagnosed. For example: Buncha people in an area where dengue (or something else) is endemic get bird flu, some are tested for dengue and come out positive, surprise, it's dengue NOT bird flu, according to health authorities...

2,266 posted on 01/10/2006 8:17:20 AM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Judith Anne
Because of the high economic impact this virus has on a country any way to mitigation the presence of the virus will be used that includes underreporting, failure to test aggressively, testing for other virus, news cover ups, etc etc. Thus human nature being what it is I would be surprised if the virus is not more widespread then it is being reported. However, remember that the Spanish FLU had a mortality rate of just 2.5-3.0% Right now the bird flu of patients admitted to a hospital using the best care that the host country has available is at 50%. In other words the bird flu could lose alot of lethality and still kill 100's of millions of people.
2,267 posted on 01/10/2006 5:49:54 PM PST by unseen
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To: unseen
Thus human nature being what it is I would be surprised if the virus is not more widespread then it is being reported.

Most particularly in China.

2,268 posted on 01/10/2006 6:08:36 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Judith Anne; unseen; All

WASHINGTON, Jan. 11 /PRNewswire/ -- In an effort to prevent an avian flu
pandemic in the United States, more than 1.6 million chickens per year will
now be tested for signs of the highly contagious and deadly H5N1 flu strain.
With a fatality rate of close to 60% among humans, the risk of a potential
global health crisis is being taken very seriously by public health and
government officials worldwide. In Avian Flu: Pandemic Threat and the Global
Response, America Abroad Media (AAM) brings together leading public health
experts to assess the dimensions of the avian flu threat and discuss how
globalization is impacting the world's state of preparedness.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-11-2006/0004247301&EDATE=


2,269 posted on 01/11/2006 2:40:41 PM PST by TheLion
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To: TheLion

Hopefully this will prevent the sudden explosion of cases like Turkey is experiencing


2,270 posted on 01/11/2006 4:04:57 PM PST by unseen
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To: unseen; All
From the BBC:
Fourth bird flu death in Turkey
...She became ill 10 days ago after slaughtering a sick chicken...
2,271 posted on 01/17/2006 9:33:29 AM PST by relee
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To: relee; Judith Anne; TheLion; All

Is someone maintaining an Avian/Bird Flu ping list?
I would like to be added to it. - OB1


2,272 posted on 03/13/2006 7:47:40 AM PST by OB1kNOb (America is the land of the free BECAUSE of the BRAVE !!)
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To: OB1kNOb

please make sure I am on it also.


2,273 posted on 03/13/2006 2:20:06 PM PST by TheLion
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To: All; OB1kNOb
Avian Flu Crisis: BMO Nesbitt Burns Economic Update

Source: http://www.perssupport.nl/Home/Persberichten/Actueel?itemId=76652

TORONTO, Canada, March 13 /PRNewswire/ --

- Human Infection Still Very Limited but Lack of Preparedness and Planning Could be Devastating

Avian flu is spreading rapidly in the bird population, but it is still extremely difficult for humans to become infected.

According to Dr. Sherry Cooper, Chief Economist, BMO Nesbitt Burns, there is a good deal of misinformation triggering unnecessary fear and economic cost. Human infection generally requires direct exposure to sick or dead poultry. This is most likely in areas where backyard birds live in close contact with people - generally in parts of Asia, Africa and the Middle East. A human H5N1 pandemic, if it were to occur, would likely be triggered in the emerging world, rather than in Europe or North America.

In her report titled The Avian Flu Crisis: An Economic Update, Dr. Cooper explains that, unlike other natural disasters or terrorism, pandemics are prolonged and pervasive, so the net economic loss is substantial and extended. She states that an avian flu pandemic would lead to considerable supply and demand effects. Widespread absenteeism and trade disruption would dominate the supply-side effect, and social distancing and fear would initially increase the demand for essentials such as non-perishable food, water, medical supplies and health-care services, but reduce the demand for virtually everything else.

Global health-care systems would be running beyond surge capacity. Shortages of key medical equipment, supplies and trained personnel would be likely. And we could suffer prolonged outages of power and utilities and disruptions in government services. Preparation is the key to managing such debilitation, says Dr. Cooper.

"Government, business, individuals and public health offices must further refine and develop continuity and preparedness plans and test and retest these plans as well as revise them as the situation changes," she urges.

Dr. Cooper explains that global economic interdependencies and the importance of China in commodity markets and in exports of low-priced goods increase the potential for economic disruption from a human pandemic. So does the prodigious volume of international trade and travel. Supply chains are now global and inventories are managed on a just-in-time basis. Dr. Cooper suggests that the meaningful economic slowdown in Asia that would result from pandemic would markedly reduce the demand for commodities and industrial materials, driving prices downward. This would have a particularly negative impact on commodity-producing countries like Canada.

People cannot contract H5N1 by eating fully cooked chicken and poultry products. Nevertheless, according to Dr. Cooper, the poultry industry is already taking a big hit, especially in Europe. Knock-on effects will manifest for industries including poultry-feed growers, poultry processors, grocers, and restaurants, especially those specializing in chicken. In the US, the US$30 bln poultry industry has already suffered, as exports dropped 28 in December and there are concerns that a steeper drop is forthcoming.

In addition to the poultry industry and its ancillary businesses, immediate losers would be tourism, travel and transport sectors, the hospitality industry, public transportation, life and health insurers, theatres, casinos, sports facilities, spectator sports, religious facilities, convention halls, restaurants, retailers of nonessential goods, and providers of nonessential services or those that could directly spread disease such as dentists and hairdressers.

Dr. Cooper's economic model predicts that a mild pandemic would reduce annual global GDP growth by 2 percentage points from what it would otherwise be. A severe pandemic, similar to the 1918 Spanish flu, would reduce global GDP growth by 6 percentage points (again, from prevailing growth rates). She considers the results to be "low-ball" global estimates as the economic model assumes all countries are impacted equally. Most likely, the number of countries suffering more than the US will probably be larger than the number of countries faring better - but even that is uncertain.

If there were a cytokine storm (as in the severe flu virus of 1918), where the immune system attacks not only the virus but damages internal organs and tissue, pregnant women and 15-to-40 year olds would suffer the highest case fatality rate. Dr. Cooper notes many experts suggest that modern health systems cannot handle acute cases of a cytokine storm today much more effectively than they could in 1918, even in fully equipped and fully staffed modern intensive care units. "The hardest hit group would be the young, most productive and reproductive members of the population," says Dr. Cooper.

This would have a lasting impact by reducing birth rates and aging an already aged population, exacerbating economic underperformance for years to come, and increasing already excessive demands on pensions and the health-care system. No one can accurately predict the characteristics of the particular mutated virus strain that would cause the pandemic or how these characteristics would evolve over time. "It's important to know, though, that even with a severe pandemic, roughly 99 of the world's population would survive, and travel and trade would recommence as economic activity rebounds." concludes Dr. Cooper.

The full report is accessible at: www.bmonesbittburns.com/economics/reports/20060313/report.pdf

2,274 posted on 03/13/2006 3:16:44 PM PST by OB1kNOb (America is the land of the free BECAUSE of the BRAVE !!)
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To: OB1kNOb

Have you noticed the story on the China coverup of bird flu and the increased incidence in various countries this month?


2,275 posted on 03/30/2006 3:00:12 PM PST by azkathy (Branded by the Rodeo Chediski Fire)
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To: azkathy; blam
I've seen the claims made about a China coverup and I don't doubt it, but I really haven't seen an expose article that really nails China to the wall with definitive proof of massive coverup. I still believe they have, though.

I have been following very closely the acceleration of bird flu cases (in birds) spreading rapidly into Europe, Africa, Russia, and the Middle East. Most articles I see regarding the USA anticipate seeing the first cases appear in Alaska in a matter of the next 3-6 months due to the spring migration. They expect it to work its way from Alaska to Washington, Oregon, California in the months following.....but at this point it's still speculation.

The best article I've seen recently is one posted by blam last week. It has more details than I've seen in 99% of all other articles. The article is located at Bird Flu: It Just Continues To March. It's definitely worth reading.

If you come across anything, please post it. - OB1

2,276 posted on 03/30/2006 3:27:06 PM PST by OB1kNOb (America is the land of the free BECAUSE of the BRAVE !!)
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To: OB1kNOb; azkathy; Trident/Delta
"The best article I've seen recently is one posted by blam last week. It has more details than I've seen in 99% of all other articles. The article is located at Bird Flu: It Just Continues To March. It's definitely worth reading."

Thanks. The article was originally identified to me by Trident/Delta. I've posted a link to the original thread below:

Bird Flu: "This Thing Just Continues To March"

2,277 posted on 03/30/2006 4:02:31 PM PST by blam
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To: JZelle; blam; genefromjersey; georgiabelle; 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; ...
This study indicates home isolation would be the best way to prevent the spreading of flu in the event of a pandemic. All the more reason to consider food, medicine, and supply planning. With the just-in-time economy we have been sold in this country, any major event whether pathogenic, weather, or terrorism related will disrupt basic services. The government has already notified our citizens that in case of a pandemic event, you are on your own. Why panic when there is time to plan and execute? Just food for thought.

If you want on/off this Avian Flu ping list, please let me know. Have a great Friday. - OB1

Bird-Flu Pandemic Would Likely Start in California
03.30.06, 12:00 AM ET
Source: Article

THURSDAY, March 30 (HealthDay News) -- If a bird-flu pandemic does hit the United States, it may well start in California and spread across the country in just two to four weeks.

And the best way to slow its spread would be to have workers stay at home.

That's the scenario drawn from results of a computer model created by researchers at the U.S. National Institutes of Health's Fogarty International Center. And while the results of that computer model should be interpreted with caution, it is based on data from ordinary flu epidemics for the last three decades, said study author Dr. Mark A. Miller, associate director for research at the center.

"The unique feature of this model is that it challenges conventional wisdom, which says that flu is spread by children bringing it back to the household," Miller said. "That may be true at the household level, but regionally it is spread by adults."

That's why measures to keep people at home could slow the spread of infection, Miller said. Another finding in the study is that states with large populations, such as California, are more likely to reach epidemic levels of the flu at the same time than less-populous states, where transmission tends to be more erratic, he said.

So California, the most populous state, would be the most logical place for a pandemic to start, Miller said. Another factor pointing toward California is that bird -- also called avian -- flu is expected to arrive from Asia, he said.

As for the speed of spread, the estimate is based on ordinary epidemics. "What we see is that epidemics with more pathogenic viruses spread more quickly, two to four weeks versus five to seven weeks for less pathogenic viruses nationwide," Miller said.

The findings appear in the March 31 issue of the journal Science.

The Fogarty researchers used epidemiological data on seasonal flu epidemics that have occurred yearly in the United States since 1972. They connected that information with data from the Census Bureau and the federal Department of Transportation, looking at variations in yearly epidemics from state to state and links with local flows of people to workplaces.

Bird flu is pathogenic, but it does not yet spread easily from person to person; close exposure to an infected bird is needed to cause a human infection. The danger will come when, and if, a mutation makes human-to-human transmission easy.

Since 2003, the H5N1 bird flu virus has been detected in 45 countries in Africa, Asia, and Europe. More than 100 people have died after coming into contact with infected poultry.

The model developed by the Fogarty researchers can go just so far in predicting what might happen if such a mutation occurs, Miller said. This model notably doesn't include previous pandemics, just ordinary epidemics, and a pandemic might have different characteristics, he said.

Still, the model can help plan for ordinary, predictable epidemics by showing how they start and spread, Miller said. It's also not the first of its kind, he said: "We did a similar model to explain the spread of measles."

2,278 posted on 03/31/2006 6:51:32 AM PST by OB1kNOb (America is the land of the free BECAUSE of the BRAVE !!)
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To: OB1kNOb

That's interesting, but it doesn't really make much difference. All flus eventually spread to the entire population and where it first made a foothold becomes only a historical curiousity.

I don't think anybody would suggest that it could be contained to California if it strikes there first.


2,279 posted on 03/31/2006 7:14:12 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

Agreed. I just posted it because a number of articles have indicated that the anticipated first confirmation of infected birds is likely to arrive in the coming months in Alaska, and from there down the flight paths into Washington, Oregon, and California. Granted it would still have to mutate into H2H transmission. However, if the H2H strain were to develop elsewhere, it could get a foothold first whereever the airlines carry the first transmissible cases.


2,280 posted on 03/31/2006 7:27:14 AM PST by OB1kNOb (America is the land of the free BECAUSE of the BRAVE !!)
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To: OB1kNOb

That's just it. Where the infection in birds is spreading is of great importance to the poultry industry, but it doesn't have a whole lot of direct impact on you or me.

As soon as it mutates somewhere to H2H transmission, the birds basically become irrelevant. Airplanes become the way the virus migrates.


2,281 posted on 03/31/2006 7:33:14 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Judith Anne

Please make sure I am on the ping list. Thanx


2,282 posted on 03/31/2006 11:22:14 AM PST by darth
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To: OB1kNOb
At this point and time, the migratory birds are heading North. We have until they migrate back South.

I was just out there along the Pacific flyway, Modoc County, Calif. I thought there were more birds than normal and earlier than usual. Just personal observation.
2,283 posted on 03/31/2006 6:32:13 PM PST by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Battle Axe
That seems to be the consensus opinion I read in most articles.......that it will come to the lower 48 during the fall migration to the south.

I have read where they expect it to arrive in Alaska this spring coming from spring migration of birds in Asia (more specifically eastern Russia). Pertaining to that I came across the following article regarding the Kamchatka Peninsula close to the Arctic Circle in eastern Russia. - OB1

Wildfowl hunting banned on Kamchatka for bird flu prevention -- 03.04.2006, 09.17

PETROPAVLOVSK-KAMCHATSKY, April 3 (Itar-Tass) - Wildfowl hunting has been banned on the Kamchatka Peninsula as a measure of bird flu spread prevention. The decision to introduce the ban was made by the Kamchatka regional emergencies commission.

Mass migration of birds begins on the peninsula in the middle of April. Up to 10 million migratory birds fly here from countries where bird flu cases have been registered.

Free vaccination of all poultry has begun in the Kamchatka region. Over 40,000 bird flu vaccine doses have been brought to the peninsula for this purpose. The Pionerskaya poultry farm where 205,000 chickens are kept has been transferred to a closed regime of work. A bird flu diagnostic laboratory has been set up in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky.


2,284 posted on 04/03/2006 7:02:08 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (America is the land of the free BECAUSE of the BRAVE !!)
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To: genefromjersey; georgiabelle; 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; ...
Doesn't seem to be Avian flu related, but bears watching since it's China. - OB1

400 Chinese students hospitalized with unknown flu Sun -- Apr 2, 8:37 AM ET

Source: Yahoo News

Over 400 students at a university in central China's Henan province were hospitalized with high fevers linked to an unknown flu virus, state press and a school official have said.

The outbreak began on March 26 when 22 students were hospitalized with high fevers, Xinhua news agency said.

The next day the number of sick students at the Henan University of Science and Technology in Luoyang city rose to 88, and on March 28 there were 208 sick students in the university's infirmary, it said.

"There were over 400 students that became feverish with the flu," a university official who declined to be named told AFP when contacted by phone.

He refused to detail what type of flu it was or how the outbreak had succeeded in infecting so many students.

Local health officials were currently trying to identify the flu strain, Xinhua said.

The temperatures of some of the students reached 39.6 degrees celsius (103.3 degrees Fahrenheit), it said.

The sick students were quarantined while school officials, under directions from provincial health authorities, cancelled classes and began disinfecting the university's 2,000 dormitory rooms, dining halls and classrooms, it said.

Most students were only hospitalized for about three days and released, the report said, adding that only several dozen students remained hospitalized as of Sunday.

2,285 posted on 04/03/2006 10:48:09 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (America is the land of the free BECAUSE of the BRAVE !!)
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To: OB1kNOb

Interesting.


2,286 posted on 04/03/2006 10:56:34 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: OB1kNOb; Mother Abigail

I heard last night on Coast2Coast that there is a top secret medical lab on the east coast that is trying to manufacture recombinant DNA from H5N1 virus. The idea is to anticipate what the mutating virus will eventually become when it goes pandemic. The goal: to make a good quality anti-virus. The dangers of engaging in these types of experiments are a question that ought to be addressed. What say you?


2,287 posted on 04/03/2006 11:03:34 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7:1 through 6)
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Excerpt following from 4/12/05 USDofH&HS testimony seems to confirm the pursuit of the approach you heard about.

"...For these reasons, Secretary Leavitt announced two weeks ago that the Department of Health and Human Services issued a five-year contract on March 31, 2005 to Sanofi Pasteur to develop and clinically evaluate their cell culture influenza vaccine technology with the goal of obtaining an FDA license for this vaccine approach. As importantly, this contract also establishes plans for creating domestic facilities with a capacity to manufacture 300 million doses of a monovalent pandemic vaccine using cell culture.

Using a cell culture approach to producing influenza vaccine offers a number of benefits. Vaccine manufacturers can bypass the step needed to adapt the virus strains to grow in eggs. In addition, cell culture-based influenza vaccines will help meet surge capacity needs in the event of a pandemic or shortage. U.S. licensure and manufacture of influenza vaccines produced in cell culture will also provide security against risks associated with egg-based production, such as the potential for egg supplies to be contaminated by various poultry-based diseases.

With that said, the current 50 year old egg-based method for culturing new vaccines is woefully inadequate in producing sufficient vaccine quantities in a timely fashion (the egg method currently takes 6 - 9 months.....by then the first and perhaps 2nd wave of a pandemic virus has killed many many people).

While this new approach to vaccine development will not be without its problems and dangers and while it may not become the be-all end-all approach, it along with any other approachs to find a way to speed the development and production of new flu vaccines is imperative before the next pandemic strikes (whether it's avian flu or something else.) IMHO we can't afford to not pursue this approach, until something better comes along. I just pray the people working on this method are careful enough not to create something or release something more harmful than what they are seeking to cure. - OB1

2,288 posted on 04/03/2006 11:29:47 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (America is the land of the free BECAUSE of the BRAVE !!)
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To: ex-Texan
I heard last night on Coast2Coast that there is a top secret medical lab on the east coast that is trying to manufacture recombinant DNA from H5N1 virus. The idea is to anticipate what the mutating virus will eventually become when it goes pandemic. The goal: to make a good quality anti-virus. The dangers of engaging in these types of experiments are a question that ought to be addressed. What say you?

If it is "Top Secret", then somebody needs to go to prison for divulging the project. I suspect it is more likely simply a project in a high level biohazard lab. If they keep it wrapped up, it shouldn't be a problem. There's lots of virulent pathogens locked up in similar labs.

2,289 posted on 04/03/2006 11:34:04 AM PDT by Myrddin
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In an effort to present both sides of the debate regarding the potential threat of H5N1 becoming a pandemic, see the following article and FR discussion. - OB1

An Alternative Viewpoint Regarding The Avian Flu Threat

2,290 posted on 04/04/2006 7:51:27 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (America is the land of the free BECAUSE of the BRAVE !!)
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To: OB1kNOb

bump for later


2,291 posted on 04/04/2006 2:28:20 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Myrddin; ex-Texan
I suspect it is more likely simply a project in a high level biohazard lab.

Funny you should mention that. Our local TV newstation in Little Rock mentioned last night that Arkansas was in the running as a possible sight for a location to build a new $400mm+ bio-terrorism laboratory.

2,292 posted on 04/04/2006 2:43:02 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (America is the land of the free BECAUSE of the BRAVE !!)
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Funny you should mention that. Our local TV newstation in Little Rock mentioned last night that Arkansas was in the running as a possible sight for a location to build a new $400mm+ bio-terrorism laboratory.

The government likes to put facilities like that away from populated areas and where they can get land fairly cheap. I'm not sure getting "selected" for such an honor is particularly good news. Facilities like that are fairly secure, but they only have to screw up once.

2,293 posted on 04/04/2006 5:24:01 PM PDT by Myrddin
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The government likes to put facilities like that away from populated areas and where they can get land fairly cheap. I'm not sure getting "selected" for such an honor is particularly good news. Facilities like that are fairly secure, but they only have to screw up once.

I guess that's why we're blessed(?) by the government to have the Pine Bluff (Chemical) Arsenal facility too. As for a tight level security at these facilities, I'm not sure about that. A couple of months ago they found an abandoned car next to one of the perimeter gates of the PB Arsenal but in their subsequent search couldn't locate the occupants. Apparently someone at the arsenal should have seen the vehicle approach the gate via closed circuit security camera that night, but the vehicle wasn't noticed until the following morning. I never heard on the news whether they found the vehicle owner or whether the incident just got swept under the news rug. I think it happened during a weekend.

2,294 posted on 04/05/2006 6:01:36 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (America is the land of the free BECAUSE of the BRAVE !!)
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It sounds like you are blessed. Hopefully that doesn't comport with the Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times".
2,295 posted on 04/05/2006 10:18:06 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: OB1kNOb; Mother Abigail; redgolum; ex-Texan; Myrddin

Came across this Los Alamos tidbit on avian flu and thought it was rather odd in some of the assumptions made.

http://www.standeyo.com/NEWS/06_Health/060405.bird.flu.comput.html


2,296 posted on 04/05/2006 7:46:26 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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