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HOW WE WOULD FIGHT CHINA
LA NUEVA CUBA ^ | June 2005 | Robert D. Kaplan

Posted on 05/10/2005 6:11:01 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer

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To: hedgetrimmer

Imagine the bewildered Chinese strategists wading through this thread.
What in the world can they be thinking? Thier most important trading partner and free ride to world domination spouting off like unruly five year olds about nuking this and blasting that...unaware of killing Golden Goose and unaware of a teeming population of illegal immigrants that may exceed 10 million in five years or less.
These Americans. "Inscrutable!"


61 posted on 05/10/2005 7:07:49 PM PDT by CBart95
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To: rikkir
Take out the communist leadership, and... the other almost 1 billion Chinese long for freedom... the war would end rather quickly.

This is the Saddam lesson. When fighting with totalitarian countries, enemy troops collapse as soon as the winds change. Shock and awe happens when lightning speed meets with limited resistance. That said, I don't believe the Chinese want war. If Iran pulls them it, it'll be a disaster - and millions and millions of Chinese will starve to death. But it seems the Chinese are too smart to be played for fools -- and they'll choose to compete in the economic arena. On that field, they can win. And if they do, we need to be good sports, congratulate them, and schedule another round.

62 posted on 05/10/2005 7:10:59 PM PDT by GOPJ (Liberals haven't had a new idea in 40 years.)
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To: MattinNJ

BTTT


63 posted on 05/10/2005 7:11:03 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: Baraonda

Well, that much is true for some groups. But there are lots of immigrants who are working hard to be good Americans (South Koreans, Vietnamese, Eastern Europeans, Iranian refugees, etc.) To say that we should be a one race society (I assume you mean white) is just plain ridiculous. If that's what you think, then you need to take your hood and go home. When it's done right, as it was for much of the first half of the Twentieth Century, our melting pot can make us stronger because unlike China, we are in fact a free nation.


64 posted on 05/10/2005 7:11:44 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Carnac: A siren, a baby and a liberal. Answer: Name three things that whine.)
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To: Baraonda

Hehehheh... well, my compliments... you've got the code phrases well placed.

Lemme guess: You've got a screen name over at StormFront, don't you...


65 posted on 05/10/2005 7:13:05 PM PDT by Ramius
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To: varon

We could go back to importing them from Mexico.


66 posted on 05/10/2005 7:13:39 PM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: Baraonda
Er, China is not a mono-racial mono-cultural society. They are far worse split than we are. In fact, even though most in the U.S. can understand and speak English fluently, Large swaths of Chinese cannot even understand each other easily. They have more language problems than we ever have.

Also, you comments on a multicultural society, while taken to heart, may not be all that accurate. One of America's great hidden strengths has been it's ability to easily assimilate different cultures.

As long as America holds to the principles upon which she was founded, she will survive - and survive well. The same cannot be said for communism, hence China's flirtation with capitalism.
67 posted on 05/10/2005 7:14:03 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
Communism and Capitalism are diametrically opposed to each other.

The irony is that they, like others before them have created just the society of "haves" vs "have nots" that communists accuse capitalism of creating. Now they have riots by poor farmers and coal miners who are worse off they ten years ago. At the same time the riches of Shanghai create a "Chinese Yuppie" class that is starting to spread their miney around.

It reminds me of the millionare socialists of Mexico in the 1930's that the movie "Frieda", in my opinion, unintentionally ridiculed(Diego Rivera never missed a meal or went to bed sober in life or on film).

68 posted on 05/10/2005 7:14:36 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: xcamel
No nation has ever fought China with weapons and won.

The Vietnamese kicked their @$$ if I remember correctly.

69 posted on 05/10/2005 7:16:48 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
When it's done right, as it was for much of the first half of the Twentieth Century, our melting pot can make us stronger because unlike China, we are in fact a free nation.

Exactly. It is not culture or race that defines our rstrength. It is freedom. Here people join the military because they care about our country and freedom. In China and North Korea people join their military at gunpoint.

70 posted on 05/10/2005 7:17:28 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the U.N. out of the U.S. and U.S. out of the U.N.!)
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To: hedgetrimmer
First, I disagree with the basic premise. China represents our best potential ally in this century. Even though we will continue to be economic competitors (as we have been with England, Germany, Japan), we have more in common and have significant economic interdependencies already.

USA needs to shift our primary alliance to the Asia-Pacific region (China and Japan primarily)and begin to de-emphasize Europe.

Why?

Because Europe is moving toward Islamic influence and nobody will want to or be able to stop it. Europe is/will become the HQ for Islamic terror and they will likely have an Islamic led major nation within 20 years.

China and Japan, on the other hand, despise Islam and will begin to/continue to step up in the WOT, especially as the US-China alliance grows. The Chinese people are primarily pro-American and pro-Western and pro-Capitalism.

The problem with modern day China is a shell government (Chicoms) who probably fear their own military complex as much as they do their burgeoning capitalist society. If we can continue to help their economy grow, the commies will soon be run out of Beijing and there will be change. Sooner is better, before their military gathers any further strength and suffers any political setbacks.

If you piece together some of the comments and quotes on the rest of the thread (up to #37 when I began this post) you will find several reasons and realities that support my observations.

71 posted on 05/10/2005 7:18:24 PM PDT by NewLand (Faith in The Lord trumps all!)
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To: opinionator

the chinese beating us at sea in the near future is nonsense, a joke.


72 posted on 05/10/2005 7:18:30 PM PDT by veryconernedamerican
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

I think the truth of the matter is that very soon, or perhaps already, China will have so completely adopted a capitalist economy that they will be unable to function without the good will of the rest of the world.

They depend on us, and other world markets, much more than anybody depends on them.

Capitalism is the greatest peacemaker.


73 posted on 05/10/2005 7:18:43 PM PDT by Ramius
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To: Nov3
The Vietnamese kicked their @$$ if I remember correctly.

China actually lost that war. For us Vietnam was winnable, but the leftists at that time had the upper hand.

74 posted on 05/10/2005 7:19:10 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the U.N. out of the U.S. and U.S. out of the U.N.!)
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To: Blueflag
"The greatest threat is the diesel subs. They might get off one lucky snap shot before they died."

I saw an interesting documentary the other night about a Swedish sub with a Stirling engine, very quiet and they had 30 days worth of oxygen on board.

75 posted on 05/10/2005 7:20:30 PM PDT by blam
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To: xcamel
No nation has ever fought China with weapons and won. They can only be beaten from within (sound familiar ??)

China has been defeated by force of arms many times in the past 200 years. In fact, it is hard to find a world power that hasn't defeated China at some point in the last two hundred years: the First Opium War, the Second Opium War, Shimonoseki, the Boxer Rebellion, Manchukuo - China was the "sick man of [east] Asia" ().

76 posted on 05/10/2005 7:20:34 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
I tend to agree. Their dependence upon foreign trade could prove to be their Achilles' heel. Their internal problems may break their own back. Love him or hate him, Nixon helped to put them in this predicament.

However, even a wounded tiger is dangerous. My fear is that if they deteriorate from Cold War II as the Soviets did, they may well lob a couple nukes at our west coast. This they can now do, thanks to Bill Clinton and his co-president Hillary. If they didn't have nukes, we may not even have entered into Cold War II. It may have remained strictly a trade war.
77 posted on 05/10/2005 7:20:39 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Jeff Head

Well written I'm sure, but (IMO) totally unlikely and I would categorize this as fictional.


78 posted on 05/10/2005 7:20:48 PM PDT by NewLand (Faith in The Lord trumps all!)
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To: Ramius

I think he uses his burning cross to send his neo-Nazi pals smoke signals to tell them how successful his attempts to infiltrate Free Republic have been.


79 posted on 05/10/2005 7:21:20 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Carnac: A siren, a baby and a liberal. Answer: Name three things that whine.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

But... It's only fair they have their day in the sun. The US should discard their jingoistic rhetoric and step aside to let them hold the spotlight for a while. They have the largest population on Earth. It's only fair... <\puking MSM mode off>


80 posted on 05/10/2005 7:22:14 PM PDT by Axenolith (This space for rent...)
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