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The Power of Islam - (stunning revelations! Al-Zarkawi was in OK City near time of bombing!)
THE RANT.US ^ | MAY 10, 2005 | BARBARA STOCK

Posted on 05/10/2005 10:03:47 PM PDT by CHARLITE

People may wonder why I write so often about the War with Islam. There is no “War on Terror.” Our war is with the violent ideology of Islam and those that follow that doctrine and there are millions of such followers. Americans need to understand the seriousness of the situation in which we find ourselves. Islam is in full jihad mode and Islamic leaders know that to succeed, they must destroy the United States.

On one hand, we have moderate Muslims denying that Muslims kill and behead innocent people. When they are forced to admit the truth, the argument switches to, “They are not following true Islam.” The problem is this: The terrorists are following true Islam because Islam is founded on fear and violence.


Do all Muslims believe in the true teachings of Islam? No, but they believe they do. There are many Muslims who truly believe that Islam is a peaceful religion whose followers would never harm a fly. These Muslims probably wouldn’t harm a fly until they are exposed to Muslims who do follow true Islam.

Perhaps an example would be appropriate. A perfectly normal British Muslim man went to Saudi Arabia to make his required pilgrimage, called the Hajj. This normal father of a teenaged daughter returned to London a full-fledged Muslim. Just that brief encounter with Arab Muslims turned this man into a killer.

While in Saudi Arabia, this man was convinced by the true Arab Muslims that his daughter was no longer “pure.” He was ordered to kill her to restore his “honor.” So, this man returned to London and slit his daughter’s throat in front of his other children. The two younger children ran screaming from the house covered with their sister’s blood. Their father was convinced their sister was no longer a virgin. The autopsy proved him wrong.

A young, innocent girl is dead. Her younger siblings are forever traumatized and their father is now in prison for life. An entire family was destroyed because of a few fateful days the father spent with Arab Muslims. That is the power of true Islam.

I ran across a video called, “Sudan—Children of Terror.” It is a chilling example of what Islam is doing quietly and insidiously and the world barely notices. In this film, hundreds of four to six year old boys are shown being indoctrinated into Islam. Their training is quite simple. They are taught to hate and they are taught to kill. Many are imported from Nigeria when they are only two or three years old. These babies are given AK-47’s and taught how to use them. They are taught to hate all non-Muslims. They are taught to obey Islam without question. They are all taught to speak English. These boys are not the elite Arab Muslims. They are the “expendable” non-Arab Muslims. These children will be the future “Army of Islam.” Once grown and fully trained, they will be dispersed around the world to kill for Islam on command like robots.

This film was not made for fun; it is a fund-raising film. The film was made and sent to wealthy American and European Muslims who then sent a lot of money back to support these training camps. The money is not from Middle Eastern Muslims, but Western Muslims who wholeheartedly support the Islamic jihad underway around the world. The rich and elite of Islam have a plan, and that plan is total and complete world domination by Islam. These rich Muslims have no country; they have only Islam.

Does this type of thing only happen in faraway lands? No, it does not. Laura Mansfield is a freelance writer who speaks fluent Arabic. She decided to go to an open “get to know us” type of meeting being offered by the local mosque for non-Muslim women in her town. She purposely arrived early and asked if she could sit in the back and study as the Muslim men met. Believing she would not understand them as they spoke Arabic, the Muslim group allowed her to remain and she listened to what they had to say. What Laura heard was an eye-opener.

The men joked that as they traveled on airplanes, they would make the other passengers nervous by acting suspicious. A good laugh followed and the imam commended them on their actions for the “cause.” Every little bit helped, he implied. It was reported that one of their friends had finally made it into Iraq and would soon be reporting on how their “mujahideen” were faring. Apparently he had gone to join them in their fight. As the meeting ended, prayers were offered for the success of the jihad they had undertaken for Islam and praise was given to those who help, whether it was just frightening airplane passengers or fighting on the battlefield in Iraq.

As the women entered, the tone completely changed and Islam once again became all love and peace for the gullible listeners who were addressed in English. The same imam who had just praised the jihad with the men, now spoke of the love that Islam has for Christians and Jews with the visiting women while sporting a kind and gentle smile. The recruitment push was on and everything that was said was a lie. What people don’t realize is that once you are pulled into Islam, it’s very difficult to escape.

This “let’s enlist gullible Americans” meeting took place in a small town in America’s Bible belt.

Does the average American know that Rep. Dana Rohrabacher of California is considering demanding a public hearing on the Oklahoma City bombing? The Federal Bureau of Investigation has declined to explain why it refused to consider the sworn statements of numerous people who independently identified the mysterious “John Doe,” seen with Tim McVeigh, as a man named Hussain Hashem Al-Hussaini—a former Iraqi Republican Guardsman. This same man left Oklahoma and moved to Boston and was working at the Boston Logan International Airport on 9/11.

Do Americans know that Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, now the head of Al Qaeda in Iraq, was seen in Oklahoma City just before the bombing? Do they know that there was a warning issued by the FBI just before the attack on the Murrah building that stated the bureau was confident that Islamic radicals had recruited two “lily whites” to carry out an attack on a federal building “in the heart of America?” If not, why not? There is no doubt about the identity of the two “lily whites,” but the involvement of Islamic terrorists has been hidden from Americans.

The Islamic attack on American soil didn’t start on 9/11. It started much earlier. It started with the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993. Islam brought the war to America at least 12 years ago. We just weren’t told. The man who was president at the time didn’t want to deal with the dirty business of Islamic terrorists.

Whether liberal or conservative judges are put in line for a Supreme Court appointment is important and the repair of Social Security is vital, but none of that will matter if the followers of Islam detonate a nuclear device in downtown Chicago or unleash a bio-chemical weapon in New York City. Instead of 3000 dead Americans, there will be tens of thousands dead. Islam’s goal will be millions dead.

The rage that followed 9/11 has faded, and complacency has set in as we get on with our daily lives. The army of Islam grows, trains, and waits for its marching orders. Terror cells in this country wait patiently for just the right time to exact the maximum death and destruction on the civilian population. Islam knows it cannot defeat our military, so it will kill our children.

As a country, we can’t hide in our homes, but do not be fooled, radical Islam is the true Islam and we must deal with it. Don’t make the mistake of thinking it is not here. Islamic terrorists are in America and many are Americans. When the order comes to kill, these terrorists will kill for Islam and for the first time since the Civil War, Americans will be forced to kill fellow Americans in battle. Such is the power of Islam.

NOTE: Click to view a 13 minute clip from “Sudan—Children of Terror” http://www.journeyman.tv/?lid=17466

Barbara is a working registered nurse who writes about politics and events of our times. She has her own website Republican and Proud.

Contact Barbara: dickens502003@yahoo.com


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If you're not scared, now, then I don't know what it's going to take. It's time that we got very serious about this.
1 posted on 05/10/2005 10:03:49 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: WarPaint; Beth528; Billthedrill; HonestConservative; SMARTY; Ghost of Philip Marlowe; CyberAnt; ...
You must read this!

Char

2 posted on 05/10/2005 10:04:51 PM PDT by CHARLITE (If Hill wins in '08, I'm moving into the White House also.......I'll say it's my new entitlement...)
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To: CHARLITE

I'm not scared by all this. I'm f'ing mad. Bring it on.


3 posted on 05/10/2005 10:08:08 PM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: CHARLITE

I agree with Sender

They are losing.


4 posted on 05/10/2005 10:14:19 PM PDT by Valin (I like work: it fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours.)
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To: CHARLITE
Radical Islam is an insane murder cult; moderate Islam is its Trojan Horse in the West.
5 posted on 05/10/2005 10:15:49 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Sender; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

We most certainly aren't going to gain ground against this scourge, if the country elects a liberal - especially a marxist feminist one, although François Kerree would be worse.


6 posted on 05/10/2005 10:15:57 PM PDT by CHARLITE (If Hill wins in '08, I'm moving into the White House also.......I'll say it's my new entitlement...)
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To: CHARLITE

This is indeed scary. I love this president, but Islam is not a "religion of peace", they aim for the total annihilation of non-Muslims, and hate America and want to destroy us.

Never forget 9-11!


7 posted on 05/10/2005 10:17:24 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most...)
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To: Theresawithanh

The story of the woman who spoke Arabic and was able to hear the Imam and the other men is especially chilling.


8 posted on 05/10/2005 10:19:54 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most...)
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To: CHARLITE

This is the story that will doom Hitlery. Little by little it is seeping out.


9 posted on 05/10/2005 10:20:34 PM PDT by John Lenin (The truth is the opposite of whatever Dan Rather says it is)
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To: CHARLITE

Hi Char, before anyone else jumps in on this thread I thought I would drop by and share this with you. While I cannot verify if the information is correct; I can come to the conclusion that the author of the topic on your thread probably meant Zawahiri and not Zarqawi.

It is very easy to confuse and/or mix up the names Zarqawi (and all his akas) and Zawahiri.

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On FreeRepublic.com - The Threat Matrix - Thread 26, a poster posted the following:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1383919/posts?q=1&&page=1955#1955

To: Velveeta; freeperfromnj; neosgirl
Yes, you're correct, according to Jayna Davis:

"Clarke writes that Al-Qaeda operatives attended conventions in Oklahoma City in the early 1990’s. According to Davis ’ startling new research, Bin Laden’s No. 2 man, the notorious Dr. Ayman Al-Zawahiri, personally visited Islamic demolitions experts residing in OKC in the spring of 1995 to insure the smooth execution of the pending terrorist strike against the Murrah federal complex."

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:y6DfUptD1JUJ:www.jaynadavis.com/press2.html+zawahiri+oklahoma&hl=en

1,955 posted on 05/07/2005 2:28:01 PM PDT by texasbluebell


10 posted on 05/10/2005 10:24:02 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: CHARLITE
"Good gumint."

Just keep saying it. Until islamists cut your head off.

12 posted on 05/10/2005 10:37:50 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: CHARLITE

It is taking Americans a very long time to disengage from their reverie. The initial reaction to bin Laden's cry of jihad and his claim that Americans were waging a war against Islam was that he was wrong; that we believed Islam was a religion of peace and that certainly all Muslims did not believe as the terrorists believed. But if ours was not a war against Islam at the outset, it is now. And it is time the rest of American wake up to this cold, hard reality.


13 posted on 05/10/2005 10:39:57 PM PDT by sageb1
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To: CHARLITE

The War On Terror is Crusade 2001.


14 posted on 05/10/2005 10:41:31 PM PDT by de Buillion (God bless John Moses Browning and the NRA)
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To: CHARLITE
Most of this is believable, however, the stuff about “lily whites,” is not. Only someone raised in white America has heard of this concept, foreigners have never heard of this concept. Black Americans don't use that term.

I have only heard that terminolgy from Italian Americans, describing Anglo/Irish/German people.

No way in hell any Arab not born here would have heard that expression.

15 posted on 05/10/2005 10:45:16 PM PDT by japaneseghost
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To: Cindy
" Dr. Ayman Al-Zawahiri, personally visited Islamic demolitions experts residing in OKC in the spring of 1995."

Yes. I think you're right. I did read that on Jayna Davis's website, and have heard her speak about it on the Al Rantel show and on Hannity's radio broadcasts.

What I don't get is why the Bush administration didn't blow that entire untold story about Islamic connections to OK City wide open. It would have shown up the Clintons for the negligent co-presidents that they were, and it would have been the right thing to do.

So-o-o-oooo.......what's your guess as to why the Bush administration isn't explaining this to the American people? It's almost like the way that every administration since the Roswell, N.M. spacecraft crash in 1947 has denied the event!

The government is unwilling to divulge these things openly and publicly because they are unsure of what public reaction would be to the glaring fact that they can't protect us, and that there are forces at work over which they have no control. Same kind of rationale, in my opinion, with keeping the true story of OK City secret. It is very frustrating, and in some ways, it is more frightening knowing that this is true (the militant terrorist/Islamic connection), while knowing that the gov't knows it too, but refuses to level with us about it!!

The result is that we're in factual LIMBO! We know that "something wicked this way comes," but we have no tools, no information with which to decide what should be done about it.

16 posted on 05/10/2005 10:45:58 PM PDT by CHARLITE (If Hill wins in '08, I'm moving into the White House also.......I'll say it's my new entitlement...)
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To: CHARLITE
Read much of this at the time of the Oklahoma City bombing re islamonazi connections. I have also read quite a bit of the the KYBO tickets packed in book form. Enough said. Never knew about the Zarqawi sighting tho'. Thanks Char

Nam Vet

17 posted on 05/10/2005 10:57:56 PM PDT by Nam Vet (MSM reporters think the MOIST dream they had the night before is a "reliable source".)
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To: Cindy
I knew about Zawahiri. I'll wait for another confirmation regarding the idiot temporarily still breathing in Iraq. Thanks Cindy

Nam Vet

18 posted on 05/10/2005 11:02:13 PM PDT by Nam Vet (MSM reporters think the MOIST dream they had the night before is a "reliable source".)
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To: CHARLITE
How can a thinking human being do this to their precious child?


Jihad Kids

19 posted on 05/10/2005 11:06:43 PM PDT by BigFinn
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To: Nam Vet; All
I understand and you're welcome Nam Vet. Thank you for YOUR service.


Some Photos ON THE NET...


"www.fbi.gov/mostwant/terrorists/teralzawahiri.htm" (Click Here;View Photo.)


"www.islammemo.cc/news/newsimages/al-jazerra/a11zar.jpg" (Click Here;View Photo.)

"i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/WORLD/meast/03/05/zarqawi.pics/story.zarqawi.jpg" (Click Here;View Photo.)

"http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/english/wanted_captured/index.cfm?page=Al_Zarqawi" (Click Here;View Photos.)


FBI.gov: "MOST WANTED TERRORISTS" (View Posters. Read More...)

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20 posted on 05/10/2005 11:21:23 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Theresawithanh
I love this president, but Islam is not a "religion of peace",

Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy' until you can find a rock." -- Will Rogers

Only a fool tells his enemy he want to kill him.

21 posted on 05/10/2005 11:23:06 PM PDT by Once-Ler ("They call me 'The Pork King,' they don't know how much I enjoy it." - Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: CHARLITE

I read a lot about the OKC bombing and I was convinced then that McVey had help pulling off that large an explosion. I was also convinced TWA 800 was blown out of the sky.

The difficulty I have - what can I do about it ..??

Scripturally, the target is Damascus (Isaiah 17:1). There is no recorded event of the same magnitude in the USA.


22 posted on 05/10/2005 11:23:57 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: CHARLITE; Nam Vet
How can our nominal leaders allow these scum to gain a foothold in our country (10,000 per year according to reports). Islam is antithesis to everything America is represents. Theological domination, suppression of women, allowance of slavery, genocidal extermination of Jews - what's not to be disgusted by? I especially despise their micromanagement of their thrall's schedule - fling yourself prostrate five times daily or risk being flung into hell. Wash yourself, feed yourself, clothe yourself and treat others Allah's way or the highway. This cult depends on the hate and neurotic fear it builds in it's followers while threatening their very lives if they dare consider an alternate religion.

Can it be considered a religion if nothing remotely connected to love is involved?
23 posted on 05/10/2005 11:27:47 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (http://www.prophetofdoom.net)
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To: CHARLITE

"So-o-o-oooo.......what's your guess..."

I don't have a guess Charlite and I try to keep my speculations to a minimum.
Sorry I can't be more helpful here.

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ON THE NET...

http://www.truthusa.com/911news.html
http://www.truthusa.com/911.html


24 posted on 05/10/2005 11:28:44 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Sender

Locked, Loaded, ready to rumble.

Bring it on, muhammadan death-cultists, I've got "love letters" enough to go around, and in several calibers too!

A.A.C.

(time for a Neo-Crusade, this time without all those pesky alla-uzza worshipping survivors)


25 posted on 05/10/2005 11:49:44 PM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: NewRomeTacitus

A religion that requires persecution of its members to sustain itself is of the devil's propagation.

America must control its borders if it is to continue as a sovereign nation. And America must change its demographics to what once was when it made it great if we are to survive survive and not be obliterated by foreign cultures.

The worth of a nation is the worth of its people.


26 posted on 05/10/2005 11:54:22 PM PDT by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: CHARLITE

1% of the Muslims in the world = 24 million people. The good news is, it won't take 24 million of us to deal with them, once our blood gets hot enough...


28 posted on 05/10/2005 11:59:03 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: Baraonda
I'm very troubled that Europe hasn't been able to slow it's Islamic invasion at all. We're far more constrained by our constitutionally guaranteed religious freedoms allowing these pod people in despite their cradle-to-grave programming to tear us down. The only solution I can see is officially declaring Islam the cult that it is while we still can. Oh geez, there goes Dearborn, Michigan. Newsflash - It was already gone.
29 posted on 05/11/2005 12:09:29 AM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (Islam has no place in American society.)
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To: CHARLITE; All
Islam, The Alleged Religion of Peace® ( TARP™ )? Click this picture:

No, I am not exaggerating. Click the pic, go to "last," and read backwards.
If you aren't informed about this stuff, you will be made sick. If you are informed, you will be made mad, all over again.

30 posted on 05/11/2005 12:10:33 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: CHARLITE
"The Islamic attack on American soil didn’t start on 9/11. It started much earlier. It started with the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993. Islam brought the war to America at least 12 years ago. We just weren’t told. The man who was president at the time didn’t want to deal with the dirty business of Islamic terrorists."

Bump.

31 posted on 05/11/2005 12:14:53 AM PDT by Reactionary
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To: CHARLITE
What I don't get is why the Bush administration didn't blow that entire untold story about Islamic connections to OK City wide open. It would have shown up the Clintons for the negligent co-presidents that they were, and it would have been the right thing to do.

His Dad is too busy with the Clinton World Tour.

32 posted on 05/11/2005 12:17:36 AM PDT by dc27
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To: japaneseghost

According to Jayna Davis the term "lily whites" doesn't refer to race but to someone with no ties to islamic terror.

I am of Irish, Scotch, German and Italian heritage and I have never heard the term used by whites in that context. I have heard it used by asians, blacks, mexicans and arabs when referring to western whites. It is an age old term and has been in use for a very long time.


33 posted on 05/11/2005 12:56:31 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: CHARLITE

if you have a pinglist, please add me to it - you always find good hauls.


34 posted on 05/11/2005 1:02:53 AM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: Neets; Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; Conspiracy Guy; NYC GOP Chick; MeekOneGOP; Fedora; OSHA; ...

an "as long as I'm awake at an ungodly hour I might as well ping to the good stuff" ping


35 posted on 05/11/2005 1:09:24 AM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: Once-Ler

I love that rogers quote... it helps keep my bp down whenever Dubya chants the "TRoP" mantra.


36 posted on 05/11/2005 1:14:32 AM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: CHARLITE

Now perhaps Freepers will understand why I chose the moniker 'Armigerous' Look it up


37 posted on 05/11/2005 2:25:58 AM PDT by Armigerous ( Non permitte illegitimi te carborundum- "Don't let the bastards grind you down")
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To: ariamne; Former Dodger; Fred Nerks; USF; jan in Colorado; TexasCowboy; broadsword; FairfaxVA; ...

P.R.O.P.* 3 ALARM PING!

I guess "somebody" named 'Straumund' didn't like my post #25 on this P.R.O.P. - related thread, 'cause their reply, #27, got removed by the moderator, and they got ZOTTED.

(I love the smell of ozone in the morning, drifting over from the smoldering ruins of the "peaceful" mosques...Makes me wanna go barbecue some PORK spareribs over the friendly, glowing coals...)

This is an ABSOLUTELY terrific article, well worth reading and sharing.

*P.R.O.P. = Phony Religion Of Peace. [tm.]

A.A.C.

'Fearless Leader' has got nothing on me...by the time I'm done with him, he'll WISH he'd played nice with those good patriotic Christians, moose and squirrel!

{"Hey Rocky! Watch me pull a muhammadan off of a goat!" "Ohhh, Bullwinkle! That old trick never works..."}


38 posted on 05/11/2005 2:35:15 AM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: Travis McGee

yup.
and our government is complacent in not telling the truth about it.

I guess there IS no consitutional requirement that our government tell the truth. Right?


39 posted on 05/11/2005 2:41:39 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: AmericanArchConservative

Thanks for the ping,AAC...the article just confirmed a lot of suspicions.

I think the "Assassins", the hashish smoking jihad warriors of the middle ages have returned, but what is the drug?

The story about the Brit murdering his own daughter was chilling, but how many other homocide bombers appear "normal" until they commit the crime?

They are using some type of mind-control, besides te "RoP".


40 posted on 05/11/2005 4:03:20 AM PDT by Former Dodger ("The high-minded man must care more for the truth than for what people think." --Aristotle)
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To: Cindy

She is correct, I did mix up the two names and for this I appologize. Not that one is any better than the other, but it was a gross mistake on my part. Barb


41 posted on 05/11/2005 4:05:33 AM PDT by dickens (The greatest triumph of evil is when good people do nothing)
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To: CHARLITE
stunning revelations! Al-Zarkawi was in OK City near time of bombing!

Interesting assertion, but the author provides little by way of corroboration.

42 posted on 05/11/2005 4:07:06 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: Travis McGee

You've got that right!


43 posted on 05/11/2005 4:21:17 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (tired of all the shucking and jiving)
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To: CHARLITE
The Islamic attack on American soil didn’t start on 9/11. It started much earlier. It started with the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993. Islam brought the war to America at least 12 years ago. We just weren’t told. The man who was president at the time didn’t want to deal with the dirty business of Islamic terrorists.

The Islamic attack on America began when Sirhan Bishara Sirhan shot Bobby Kennedy on June 5, 1968.

44 posted on 05/11/2005 4:22:10 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Lazamataz
Interesting assertion, but the author provides little by way of corroboration.

According to Jayna Davis, Zaraqawi was in OK just prior to the bombing. From her website, referring to her book The Third Terrorist:

The notorious Dr. Ayman Al-Zawahiri, bin Laden’s No. 2 man, delivered the communiqué. Learn clandestine details about Zawahiri’s 1995 foray to Oklahoma to ensure the Murrah Building bomb would net the maximum body count.

I haven't read the book, but maybe someone who has a copy could check to see if and how that info is sourced.

45 posted on 05/11/2005 4:34:04 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
Okay, but that's the only source so far. I'm actually willing to (and desiring to) believe this, but I need some substantial facts before I sign on.

With rigor, one can avoid the Konspirazoid Kookland so many others fall into.

46 posted on 05/11/2005 4:42:57 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: CHARLITE

As a country, we can’t hide in our homes, but do not be fooled, radical Islam is the true Islam and we must deal with it. Don’t make the mistake of thinking it is not here. Islamic terrorists are in America and many are Americans. When the order comes to kill, these terrorists will kill for Islam and for the first time since the Civil War, Americans will be forced to kill fellow Americans in battle. Such is the power of Islam.

Thank you for making America aware of these animals.


47 posted on 05/11/2005 4:50:55 AM PDT by Beth528
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To: CHARLITE

bttt


48 posted on 05/11/2005 5:04:59 AM PDT by Guenevere (Sola Gratia)
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To: CHARLITE
If you're not scared, now, then I don't know what it's going to take. It's time that we got very serious about this.

Exactly !!!!

49 posted on 05/11/2005 5:09:27 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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To: Theresawithanh; All
think of President Bush's TROP characterization in the following mode:

A) they cannot defeat us; if we the People truly thought Islam was at war with us, BUFFs would soon thereafter turn their wahhabi dens into glass skating rinks. Just look at our history - in the Spanish-American war, we thought the Maine was sabotaged by the Spanish; the public was all for war. Ditto Pearl Harbor - sucker punch broke the honor code, and overnight a country that was strongly isolationist started lining up at the recruiting booths. Moral of this truth: if we the People comprehensively and in practical terms completely decide that "they're all enemies", there will be nothing to save them - murderous vermin and victims-formerly-filling-Saddamite-Mass-Graves alike;

B) If (A) above were to happen, innocents - including the silent portion of the PROP who truly want to reform their canon - would die. IOW, no chance for reformation, no chance for PROP to grow up, just lots of dead bodies;

C) Ergo, the TROP formulation can be viewed not as naivete on our part, but an ironic way of warning the timid among our enemies that if they don't start acting like a real TROP, they will be eradicated. Sort of "I call you TROP even though you're not, but you really, really oughta consider living up to this characterization. Or Else..."

The formulation rides to our sense of fair play and honor, as well as giving a chance to the possibility of an actual reformation (this, btw, is what I think the progress in Iraq with elections, Lebanon, calls for election in Egypt, Libya giving up the WMD, etc., represents -- iow, it's working) within islam. It also - for the time being, at least - prevents the power of true democracy from manifesting itself in a popular rage within our citizenry (just think about how the very same libs shortly after 9-11 were calling for blood... and multiply that by 100) from overcoming moderation and sending us into "total war" mode.

Controversial points for and against the above; one side can say that such policy is a dalliance that only means more Americans die for not getting this done ruthlessly and quickly. Another side (the correct one, imho) sees that mass death from total war is not "yet" needed - A Clausewitzian judgement, indeed, but with a twist on his famous "War is the conduct of policy by another means"... simply replace "conduct" with "failure" above.

50 posted on 05/11/2005 5:34:20 AM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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