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Holy Cross College Throws Out the SAT
Notes from D.R. ^ | 05/11/05 | D.R. Tucker

Posted on 05/11/2005 4:38:02 PM PDT by emeryboard

Holy Cross College is dropping the SAT as an admissions requirement, apparently in the name of boosting ethnic diversity. I disagree with this decision. Not only is it a capitulation to the notion that blacks and Hispanics are somehow unable to get high SAT scores (which is politically correct bigotry, in my book), it also plays into the conspiracy theory that the test is somehow inherently biased against blacks and Hispanics. As Harvard professors Stephan and Abigail Thernstrom have pointed out, Asians tend to do better than whites on the SAT; if the creators of the test were deliberately trying to make the test biased, why would they make it biased in favor of Asians?

Dropping the SAT is an easy way out, an example of what President Bush once called "the soft bigotry of low expectations."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; catholicschools; education; highereduation; holycross; sat
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To: FlyLow
A democRAT is so bereft of reality he doesn't know whether to scratch his watch or wind his butt.

Your tag says it all!

41 posted on 05/11/2005 8:52:17 PM PDT by OnRightOnLeftCoast
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To: Spktyr

The new grading system is not based on length. The folks that read and grade these essays are trained and monitored. Occasionally they get an essay that has an established score, and if they don't get it right, their scores can be thrown away and re-scoring begins. Random papers are pulled for scorer checking, and, personally, I think they are almost anal about the training...


42 posted on 05/12/2005 6:53:32 AM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (We know the right things to do, why don't we just do them?)
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To: emeryboard

Holy $hit.


43 posted on 05/12/2005 6:54:36 AM PDT by SAMS (Nobody loves a soldier until the enemy is at the gate; Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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To: LearnsFromMistakes

You might want to look at the recent article posted here that mentioned a guy that has something like a 99% accuracy level at guessing the grade based on length. It has other observations - the training and monitoring is a a sick joke.


44 posted on 05/12/2005 7:10:04 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

I would like to read that article. What I have seen and what you are saying are very different things.


45 posted on 05/12/2005 7:17:42 AM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (We know the right things to do, why don't we just do them?)
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To: dawn53
IMHO, that has undermined the strength of the SAT, because it is no longer a true predictor of a student's strengths, but at times is just a predictor of who learned how to "take" the test.

Agree with this 100%.

46 posted on 05/12/2005 7:20:36 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: LearnsFromMistakes

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1397024/posts


47 posted on 05/12/2005 7:34:58 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: LearnsFromMistakes

From that article: "You are scoring the writing, and not the correctness of facts."

Funny, every essay *I* ever wrote in English comp was graded on style, grammar *and* factual accuracy.


48 posted on 05/12/2005 7:38:22 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: emeryboard

They've been running "The Vagina Monologues" on Saint Valentine's Day the last few years. HC has already gone to hell, sadly.


49 posted on 05/12/2005 7:46:26 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: emeryboard

It may be that recent changes to the SAT have made it worthless as a predictor of success.
Now since the leftist, feel-good redesign of the test a year or two ago, we see stories in that paper about little Jiimy or Susie who scored a "perfect" 1600. Thirty plus years ago, these kids would be lucky to crack 1200.


50 posted on 05/12/2005 7:52:21 AM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: OneWorldTory

Very few 18 year olds, even those with a love for literature or history, have a clue about what they will or should do with their lives.
A properly desined entrance exam would show evidence of reasoning capability, whether in math or English.


51 posted on 05/12/2005 7:58:05 AM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: Spktyr

Thanks for the link.

He fears that the new 25-minute SAT essay test...is actually teaching high school students terrible writing habits.

This was in the first paragraph. I kept reading anyway.

Fact checking. You want every fact in every essay to be checked for facts? Wow. There are hundreds of thousands of kids taking this test, and they want their results in a couple of weeks. If the scorers have to be experts in every area that a kid may write about, it is gonna take even longer. I suppose you could fact-check on the internet, but I have read there that some people actually think the essay is graded on length. Can't trust everything you read.


52 posted on 05/12/2005 8:00:05 AM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (We know the right things to do, why don't we just do them?)
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To: LearnsFromMistakes

Hm, there's this wonderful thing one can use to check facts. Teachers send students to it all the time. It is only fair that teachers grading essays should have to use it as well.

It's called an "encyclopedia."


53 posted on 05/12/2005 8:29:26 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Not saying fact-checking can't be done. Just saying it can't be done in a timely manner. If the essay portion of the test is to check on writing/spelling/grammer and not history (as in the example given), you don't really need to check facts. A student could possibly write a decent essay on why Clinton should not have been impeached. I would disagree with all his 'facts', but that doesn't mean he hasnt written a decent essay.

What else do we know about the 1 professor that was complaining about the essay? Does he propose a better solution, or is he just whining...


54 posted on 05/12/2005 9:49:15 AM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (We know the right things to do, why don't we just do them?)
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To: Chewbacca

As someone who has never taken the SAT but did take the ACT, Ill agree with you! ;)

Btw, Ive always wondered why it seems like colleges in the South and Midwest seem to use the ACT but everywhere else uses the SAT.


55 posted on 05/13/2005 8:51:47 AM PDT by somniferum (All warfare is deception - Sun Tzu)
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To: oldironsides
I believe Clarence Thomas is a graduate of Holy Cross College in Worcester Massachusetts.

I wasn't sure what college they were talking about since I'm sure there are several Holy Cross Colleges, but I checked and it is indeed Thomas' alma mater, The College of the Holy Cross.

56 posted on 05/27/2005 8:18:30 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Defeat Pat DeWine, RINO Mike DeWine's son! Tom Brinkman for Congress http://www.gobrinkman.com/)
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